Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#22 Oct 31, 2012
L1: I don't get how you could possibly be attracted to a guy who would do that.

L2: Find your power, use your words. If they do lay another hand on you, get another waitress to take care of them and then find your biggest guy friends to beat the crap out of them.:)

L3: At Thanksgiving, talk to him. The drug test is stupid. Like someone said, you don't know WHEN they did it. Also, there's all sorts of stuff that you can do to pass those things.

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#23 Oct 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>You sure? I would think it would be something else like sexual assault. I thought harassment was strictly a workplace/employee issue.
This is a workplace issue though, that's why it counts and that's why it's different from a random stranger on the street.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#24 Oct 31, 2012
1. Well I hope you were polite and returned the favor, seeing as that was within the context of the conversation.

2. Put his hand up the sleeve of your shirt? That's a bit odd. Are you in Amish country? Next time tell them if they don't stop trying to give you something extra, they're going to get something extra in their food.

3. You weren't cleaning, you were snooping. If you are going to accuse your child of being dishonest, you'd better be honest yourself. That said, I would take it all, put it in a bag, smash it and leave it on the bed and leave it there for him for the next time he comes home and leave it at that. If he complains, tell him he's luckuy that's all you did and next time it'll be much, much worse. Hopefully he knows to keep his yapper shut.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#25 Oct 31, 2012
LW1: You really want to get involved with a guy that keeps pictures of his junk on his phone? It's weird and I bet he is too.

LW2: Next time they're in, have someone else take their table. If you have to wait on them, keep your distance as much as possible. Hopefully your body language will tell them to leave you alone.

And if you had to, go ahead a make a stink. Other regulars may just may come to your aid.

LW3: Toss the stuff and only get that drug testing kit if you never want your kid to come home again.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#26 Oct 31, 2012
Toj wrote:
If you want to get real technical, it's deception and not the actual act of lying. I think.
Hmmmm, going to look up exact definition on Webster online.
Yes. I do want to get real technical. That's how I roll. Lying is a form of deception. Not all deceptions are lies. It annoys me when any deception is referred to as a lie. Words have meanings.

Perjury is the crime lying under oath. You cannot be charged with perjury for failing to volunteer information. Is it deceptive? Sure. But it's NOT lying.

Since: Jan 10

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#27 Oct 31, 2012
Federal sexual harassmetn laws DO include customers.

She has to complain to her employer and/or tell the customer to stop touching her. Sexual harassment laws don't protect someone who keeps their mouth shut. You DO have the responsibility of complaining about bad behavior. Employers can't be faulted for not dealing with a problem they didn't know they had.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#28 Oct 31, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a workplace issue though, that's why it counts and that's why it's different from a random stranger on the street.
But in a typical office environment, the employer can take action against the person committing the harassment. They can be disciplined. They can be fired. What can the restaurant do to the customer? Kick them out? I'd hardly consider that on par with firing someone. To me, that's almost no recourse against the offender at all. And its that lack of authority over the offender that indicates to me that its not the same.

Of course I'm not a lawyer and I don't work in HR.

Toj

“Where is Everyone?”

Since: Jul 12

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#29 Oct 31, 2012
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
Federal sexual harassmetn laws DO include customers.
She has to complain to her employer and/or tell the customer to stop touching her. Sexual harassment laws don't protect someone who keeps their mouth shut. You DO have the responsibility of complaining about bad behavior. Employers can't be faulted for not dealing with a problem they didn't know they had.
I thought they did. It's up to the establishment to have a safe work environment.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#30 Oct 31, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a workplace issue though, that's why it counts and that's why it's different from a random stranger on the street.
And to be clear, I'm not saying I think she has no recourse. It just seems out of place to me to refer to it as sexual harassment. Depending on how far these dumb asses went, she needs to either have them tossed out or even call the cops and have them arrested(though cops sounds like overkill for what she described. Hand up her sleeve? What kinda sleeves was she wearing. I would think if the guy went far up enough to cop a feel she'd have explicitly stated that.)

Since: Mar 09

Miami, FL

#31 Oct 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>But in a typical office environment, the employer can take action against the person committing the harassment. They can be disciplined. They can be fired. What can the restaurant do to the customer? Kick them out? I'd hardly consider that on par with firing someone. To me, that's almost no recourse against the offender at all. And its that lack of authority over the offender that indicates to me that its not the same.
Of course I'm not a lawyer and I don't work in HR.
See Angela's response.
:)

I have had the pleasure of sitting through campy training videos about sexual harassment. If it's happening at work, even by a customer or vendor, it's still harassment.

If it happens out at a bar, it's plain old assault.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#32 Oct 31, 2012
j_m_w wrote:
<quoted text>
See Angela's response.
:)
I have had the pleasure of sitting through campy training videos about sexual harassment. If it's happening at work, even by a customer or vendor, it's still harassment.
If it happens out at a bar, it's plain old assault.
So if I want to assault someone I should just do it to someone still on the clock?

Sweet.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#33 Oct 31, 2012
I think the disconnect here is that you guys (and perhaps the law) see it from an enforcement perspective. ie: The employer responsible for making sure it does not happen. Whereas I am looking at if from the perspective of who has the authority to punish the offender and I just don't see much authority in the form of the restaurant owner.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#34 Oct 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
Perjury is the crime lying under oath. You cannot be charged with perjury for failing to volunteer information.
Yes you can! It's called the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. Being deceitful is a form of lying!

Toj

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Since: Jul 12

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#35 Oct 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>So if I want to assault someone I should just do it to someone still on the clock?
Sweet.
Well, just because it's sexual harassment at the workplace doesn't mean you can't also get charged with criminal assault.

Why don't you try that out and let us know how it goes.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#36 Oct 31, 2012
Additionally(and feel free to set me straight), I view sexual harassment as things that are not punishable by law(at least not the perpertrator). Can a guy go to jail for coercing a woman to have sex with him in exchange for keeping her job? Or spewing exually explicit comments her way? I don't think that's the case. But he can be fired. If your boss grabs your ass, to me that goes beyond harassment and is assault and the cops should be involved.

Is my line in the sand inaccurate?

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#37 Oct 31, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you can! It's called the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. Being deceitful is a form of lying!
You are not required to volunteer any information when on the stand. The lawyer asks a question. You answer the question. Every lawyer will tell you not to give any more information other than what is directly asked.
Kuuipo

Monterey, CA

#38 Oct 31, 2012
LW1: Please tell me that 99.9% of men know better than to do this.
LW2: Tell them in a firm voice that it is not OK to touch you. Or just firmly remove the hand from your arm. They are taking advantage of the fact that it's your job to be nice to them. But your job description does not include being manhandled.
LW3: Taking a hard line will only serve to alienate you from your son.

Since: Jan 10

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#39 Oct 31, 2012
edogxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you can! It's called the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth. Being deceitful is a form of lying!
NOpe. The responsibility of the lawyer doing the questioning to ask specific questions. Witnesses are instructed by their own lawyers to answer ONLY the exact, specific question being asked.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#40 Oct 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
Additionally(and feel free to set me straight), I view sexual harassment as things that are not punishable by law(at least not the perpertrator). Can a guy go to jail for coercing a woman to have sex with him in exchange for keeping her job? Or spewing exually explicit comments her way? I don't think that's the case. But he can be fired. If your boss grabs your ass, to me that goes beyond harassment and is assault and the cops should be involved.
Is my line in the sand inaccurate?
I believe your sand line is accurate, and I *am* in HR.
:D

There are cases that fall into both categories, but they seem really rare. I'm thinking of stuff involving weapons or actual bodily harm.

And a fun little tidbit that I picked up from a training who is now on the federal EEO review board; most harassment cases that actually have some type of judgement handed down are not for the orginal harassment, but for retaliation by the employer on the complaintant.

Since: Aug 08

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#41 Oct 31, 2012
LW1: Do you work with Brett Favre? Who does that?

LW2: Maybe they made a bet over who could bed ya first.

LW3: Ohhh, I’m sure he won’t be doing any drugs in college, lol. Cheah, Abby, I would have told my mom to bite me if she wanted to drug test me in college. I just wouldn’t have come home.

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