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Dec 10, 2012
 
Matilda77 wrote:
L1: This could have been written about my in-laws. It's not that the mom is incoherent when she's high, she just can't retain anything or process anything right. Probably has inappropriate emotions.
I've heard that when you start doing drugs heavily, you stop maturing mentally. Which explains why my MIL acts like a 15-year-old most of the time. J has a childhood friend who is a complete burnout who is basically the same. Absolute disconnect from reality and unable to handle his emotions correctly.
L2: Use your words.
And people who have been drinking or drugging for a long period of time seem spacey even after they quit.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
Y'all have to read-up on marijuana addiction. It has to do with genetic make-up and, if there's one thing we learn on here is that everyone's different.

Most people don't have a problem but it's a fact that some people do.

Google "marijuana why do some people addiction" and see what you get.

What I saw in a few minutes is that it has to do with DNA.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
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Yes, some people drink daily and function acceptably. Others drink every day and it has a significant negative impact on their lives. Do you acknowledge that alcoholism is a real condition, or are they all just using the booze as a scapegoat?
Do you deny that there are people whose use of marijuana is the problem, or all they all just masking something else?
Alcohol IS physically addictive, and I believe less of those who deal with physically addictive substances have the deep psychological issues causing the problems. Many of those addicted to pain killers got that way because they were injured and NEEDED the pain relief, but didn't get the support needed to end the addiction when the cause of the pain was mended. Many of those addicted to alcohol started out just partying with friends, and got hooked. Physically addictive substances ARE a bit different, not to say that ALL of those for whom it's a problem don't have deeper issues, many do, but there is a PHYSICAL component added.
I do believe that ANYONE who uses anything to the extent that it causes the degree of malfunction written about in the letter DOES have more problems than JUST the drug/activity. That goes for video games, gambling, and anything else that gets one to that point. Can't hold a job? Has no friends? Not even family can talk to them when they're under the influence? That level of problem is beyond just the thing. It's in her.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
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<quoted text>True, but ime, the only people I've seen for whom it's THAT level of a problem were lazy slugs who wouldn't have friends or a job even if they never smoked pot.
I know dozens of people who smoke daily, or nearly that, who hold down jobs or even own and run their own businesses, and have no problems associated with their use. Just as I know dozens or more who have a drink or two every day and are not alcoholics, not jobless, not friendless.
That lady has other problems, and the weed is being used as a scapegoat for what is really wrong with her.
I agree. Sub touched on this as well.

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And people who have been drinking or drugging for a long period of time seem spacey even after they quit.
I know that my memory has been affected. Even when I've gone months or years without smoking.

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Y'all have to read-up on marijuana addiction. It has to do with genetic make-up and, if there's one thing we learn on here is that everyone's different.
Most people don't have a problem but it's a fact that some people do.
Google "marijuana why do some people addiction" and see what you get.
What I saw in a few minutes is that it has to do with DNA.
Is that the DRD2 gene?

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Y'all have to read-up on marijuana addiction. It has to do with genetic make-up and, if there's one thing we learn on here is that everyone's different.
Most people don't have a problem but it's a fact that some people do.
Google "marijuana why do some people addiction" and see what you get.
What I saw in a few minutes is that it has to do with DNA.
I don't need to read a book. I've been around folks who have smoked since I was a teen. I have family members who do. Some are in medical marijuana states I have good friends who do. Attempts to vilify marijuana actually make me laugh. The fact that we waste so much money throwing folks in jail over it is so absolutely stupid ... it's almost maddening.

It also doesn't really matter to me if you use daily (which you would call addiction ... in contrast I call it addiction when you can't not do it ... just because you choose to do it doesn't mean you could stop if you wanted to ... by your standard everyone is addicted to tv cause they watch it daily). I know very successful folks who smoke daily. They aren't dumb. Their brain isn't fried. They aren't going to go all "Leaving Las Vegas" if they run out. They don't have memory problems. IF anything causes memory problems it seems to me that just aging does, from what I've heard from folks.

Seems to me it's only a problem if you are a loser, but as Moon and I have pointed out, those folks would be losers anyway. There really isn't even a doubt in my mind.

As long as you are a productive member of society, are a good person, have good relationships with folks, who really gives a crap if some of my friends come home after a long day and light up. Suggesting folks blow thousands of dollars on rehab for that is dumb and a waste of time. I'm sure the rehab centers love it tho ... they are in business to make money, you know.

Threatening relationships over it is silly too, IMO. If one of the many friends of mine who are married and who smoke had a wife who left him cause he smoked pot daily and everything else was good, I would think she was absolutely nuts.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
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I don't need to read a book. I've been around folks who have smoked since I was a teen. I have family members who do. Some are in medical marijuana states I have good friends who do. Attempts to vilify marijuana actually make me laugh. The fact that we waste so much money throwing folks in jail over it is so absolutely stupid ... it's almost maddening.
It also doesn't really matter to me if you use daily (which you would call addiction ... in contrast I call it addiction when you can't not do it ... just because you choose to do it doesn't mean you could stop if you wanted to ... by your standard everyone is addicted to tv cause they watch it daily). I know very successful folks who smoke daily. They aren't dumb. Their brain isn't fried. They aren't going to go all "Leaving Las Vegas" if they run out. They don't have memory problems. IF anything causes memory problems it seems to me that just aging does, from what I've heard from folks.
Seems to me it's only a problem if you are a loser, but as Moon and I have pointed out, those folks would be losers anyway. There really isn't even a doubt in my mind.
As long as you are a productive member of society, are a good person, have good relationships with folks, who really gives a crap if some of my friends come home after a long day and light up. Suggesting folks blow thousands of dollars on rehab for that is dumb and a waste of time. I'm sure the rehab centers love it tho ... they are in business to make money, you know.
Threatening relationships over it is silly too, IMO. If one of the many friends of mine who are married and who smoke had a wife who left him cause he smoked pot daily and everything else was good, I would think she was absolutely nuts.
Thank gawd, someone is the voice of sanity.

The uber-conservatives rail against weed in the exact same way Carrie Nation carried on about alcohol in the pre-prohibition days.

I haven't imbibed in years, but if I ever need medical marijuana you can bet I'll not hesitate.(or if I ever get back to Amsterdam!)

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Yes, some people drink daily and function acceptably. Others drink every day and it has a significant negative impact on their lives. Do you acknowledge that alcoholism is a real condition, or are they all just using the booze as a scapegoat?
Do you deny that there are people whose use of marijuana is the problem, or all they all just masking something else?
Alcohol is far more mood altering than marijuana. Ask any policeman who they would want to deal with ... a drunk or some guy who smoked.

People don't smoke, black out, wake up and find out they crapped their pants after driving their car through their neighbors house, for example. Some people get really angry and mean when they drink too. There are just a whole host of problems that is sometimes associated with alcohol that doesn't happen when people smoke.

The effects of smoke is also largely self limiting. You can only get so high. It's not like if you smoke two joints you are going to be twice as high than as if you smoke one ... unless its brown frown, lol. YOu might be a little bit more, but not a lot. In fact, everyone I know when they've had enough says, I'm good man ... I don't need anymore. Alcohol is not like that. Lots of people don't know when to say when. They keep on drinking and the intoxication gets greater and greater with each drink ... to the point where folks pass out, get violent, black out, and do really terrible stuff to themselves and others.

Except for their eyes and the smell, which gives it away, I honestly wouldn't even know when my friends were under the influence most of the time. They are fairly normal and chill. You can't say the same thing about folks who are drunk.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
THere does seem to be a gender issue to this -- when I hear of pot being a source of conflict in a relationship, it's always been the woman doesn't want her husband to smoke, not the other way around. I know one guy who hides it, does it when he's visiting friends or when she's out of town. He's planning a road trip to Colorado after the legalization law is enacted (January?).

He has an excellent job with Target Corp. and makes great money. He has good friends, he's super sweet, very nice. But he hides the pot from his wife because she goes on a rampage about it. He smokes maybe once a month.

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And people who have been drinking or drugging for a long period of time seem spacey even after they quit.
The people I know who are spacy, either weren't too bright to begin with or were doing a lot of harder drugs in addition to smoke.

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Thank gawd, someone is the voice of sanity.
The uber-conservatives rail against weed in the exact same way Carrie Nation carried on about alcohol in the pre-prohibition days.
I haven't imbibed in years, but if I ever need medical marijuana you can bet I'll not hesitate.(or if I ever get back to Amsterdam!)
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Dec 10, 2012
 
My friend (and dealer heh) is having a blood/urine test this week for life insurance, so he quit smoking a month ago to clean out his system. I told him they'd probably have more of a problem with his being on antidepressants than if they found THC in his system.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
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The effects of smoke is also largely self limiting. You can only get so high.
Great point.

Also, sometimes you get to a point where you're not getting higher you're getting dumber/spacier.
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Dec 10, 2012
 
LW 1: From reading Amys responses Id say shes been hitting the bong most of her life also.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
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Great point.
Also, sometimes you get to a point where you're not getting higher you're getting dumber/spacier.
We called that tripping stoned.

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I don't need to read a book. I've been around folks who have smoked since I was a teen. I have family members who do. Some are in medical marijuana states I have good friends who do. Attempts to vilify marijuana actually make me laugh. The fact that we waste so much money throwing folks in jail over it is so absolutely stupid ... it's almost maddening.
It also doesn't really matter to me if you use daily (which you would call addiction ... in contrast I call it addiction when you can't not do it ... just because you choose to do it doesn't mean you could stop if you wanted to ... by your standard everyone is addicted to tv cause they watch it daily). I know very successful folks who smoke daily. They aren't dumb. Their brain isn't fried. They aren't going to go all "Leaving Las Vegas" if they run out. They don't have memory problems. IF anything causes memory problems it seems to me that just aging does, from what I've heard from folks.
Seems to me it's only a problem if you are a loser, but as Moon and I have pointed out, those folks would be losers anyway. There really isn't even a doubt in my mind.
As long as you are a productive member of society, are a good person, have good relationships with folks, who really gives a crap if some of my friends come home after a long day and light up. Suggesting folks blow thousands of dollars on rehab for that is dumb and a waste of time. I'm sure the rehab centers love it tho ... they are in business to make money, you know.
Threatening relationships over it is silly too, IMO. If one of the many friends of mine who are married and who smoke had a wife who left him cause he smoked pot daily and everything else was good, I would think she was absolutely nuts.
I'm not trying to vilify marijuana use. I, too, have friends who have done well and smoke. That's not to say no one has an addiction to marijuana.

There are food addictions and sex addictions, unless you don't think those things are real.

It doesn't even make sense to me what all of you are saying -- that you know people who work everyday and who don't have a problem, therefore no one has a problem and you're only trying to vilify marijuana if you say people have addictions to marijuana.

Do I have the wrap up right?
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The people I know who are spacy, either weren't too bright to begin with or were doing a lot of harder drugs in addition to smoke.
The same is true for the people I know. The burnouts generally used a lot of alcohol or harder drugs.

I agree that pot is a far less harmful substance than alcohol. We should definitely not be arresting people for using marijuana. Actually, I think legalizing all drugs and managing drug addicts as they do in England might not be a bad idea.

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LW 1: From reading Amys responses Id say shes been hitting the bong most of her life also.
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Dec 10, 2012
 
Hopefully your Mother doesn't smoke cigarettes.

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