University of Chicago to shutter women's clinic

There are 20 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from May 18, 2009, titled University of Chicago to shutter women's clinic. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Every year, a storefront clinic operated on the South Side by the University of Chicago Medical Center cares for thousands of women on public aid, many of whom have serious conditions and few options.

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Kristin

Chicago, IL

#91 May 19, 2009
Phizz wrote:
I stand by my assertion that the world would be better off without the U of C.
Here are some examples why I take this position: The University's eugenicist scientists of the 1920s who influenced the Nazis; the development of the A-bomb ("The U of C--where the end of the world began"); the pervasive preaching of extremist laissez faire capitalism by Milton Friedman and others; the University economists who backed and advised brutal dictators such as Augusto Pinochet of Chile; the University's racist policies against African-Americans in Hyde Park and the surrounding communities going back many decades; the fact that the University continues to graduate callous, brutal, arrogant elites who are greatly contributing to the destruction of us little people and of our whole society.
True, the U of C like all malevolent entities, has many lackeys and bootlickers who will defend it on the Internet, but the truth will prevail.
While I agree that the U of C school of economics should be thrown off the nearest cliff into the deepest pit in the world and never again allowed to see the light of day, the Hospital itself is a fantastic institution.
Kristin

Chicago, IL

#92 May 19, 2009
The Truth wrote:
But they could pay Michelle Obama 300,ooo dollars per year for a part time job. When she quit the position was no longer filled proving what a hoax the whole thing is. Change we can believe in.
Irrelevant. Find something else to complain about.
Royko

Chicago, IL

#93 May 19, 2009
Kristin wrote:
<quoted text>
Northwestern is not a Xtian hospital. But please, feel free to carry on with your conspiracy theories.
Northwestern is run by the Taliban and Shia Muslims...right?
Royko

Chicago, IL

#94 May 19, 2009
Spector wrote:
It;s beyond reprehensible. It's utterly shameful. The dental clinic issus is especially troubling. There are so few outlets for the poor to receive proper dental care, which can prevent numreous other ailments from developing, and that clinic's charitible endowment has "tens of millions" sitting in the bank! How can they close such a thing when the endowment is flush with cash?
First U of C tries to move uninsured people out of its ER and into clinics for cost savings, which I can totally understand. But NOW it's closing its own few clinics and truly dumping those people into the laps of other centers. Well if U of C can't put up a few dollars for these people, who the hell can!
An absolute disgrace on our city and our country. I have insurance for the time being, thank Gd. U of C will never see a dime of it!
Universal healthcare for America NOW!
Move U. of C. Hospital to the suburbs and they won't have these constant attacks and $67 million losses to deal with.
Royko

Chicago, IL

#95 May 19, 2009
fedup wrote:
Hospitals need to make enough money to pay the bills like any other business. One of the issues facing many hospitals is medicare and medicaid are a year behind paying back Illinois hospitals for treating these patients, resulting in a huge deficit over time. We can thank incompetent government officials for getting so far behind in paying for the treatment of medicare and medicaid payments. The fact that our government can't seem to handle medicare and medicaid makes me doubt they would be able to handle any form of universal healthcare.
Did anyone notice that Federal and State employees always receive their checks on time? It is quite alright to screw the hospitals and doctors, but don't dare make the government employees wait for their checks.
sympathy for the devil

Chicago, IL

#97 May 19, 2009
Spector wrote:
Well if U of C can't put up a few dollars for these people, who the hell can!
An absolute disgrace on our city and our country. I have insurance for the time being, thank Gd. U of C will never see a dime of it!
Universal healthcare for America NOW!
A few dollars? The article says they lose $67 million for "these people" - do you recommend they lose 70 million? 100 million?
By the way, that clinic "endowment" is almost certainly not "cash" - it's an endowment invested like any endowment fund in the markets. Like most endowments it probably took a huge hit in the economic crash. Endowments like this only allow you to spend at most 4% per year, probably not enough to support what it costs to run a whole dental practice in the middle of a hospital (my understanding is that most university hospitals have closed or outsourced their dental programs unless they run a dental school which U of C does not). The article says U of C is still planning on providing free care to several hundred patients a year needing complex dental care, reconstructions (do they do cleft lips and other stuff there? probably.) Suspect they lose millions on that too. All I'm saying is that this is a much more complex issue than is being reported here - let's not be manipulated by those who find it more convenient just to blame U of C as the devil in all this (sells more papers, allows people to vent). These are tough, heartbreaking choices - with no good solutions - I know folks at U of C and believe they are doing their best to balance out all the complexities. This is a national problem -- stop blaming U of C and its leaders for everything that's wrong with our system.
sympathy for the devil

Chicago, IL

#98 May 19, 2009
Royko wrote:
<quoted text> Move U. of C. Hospital to the suburbs and they won't have these constant attacks and $67 million losses to deal with.
The ironic thing is that I bet if you asked the U of C why they HAVEN'T tried to move to the suburbs or the cushy Gold Coast like Northwestern they would say that it's because they are committed to solving the care needs of their South side community. Any impartial look at the data would support the fact that the medical center contributes massively and disproportionately in this regard. But it's never enough and they will always be accused of doing too little. If they lost $10M folks would say they should lose $20M; if they lost $30M it should be $60M. If they saw 40,000 patient in their ER, they should see 80,000, etc.
Royko

Chicago, IL

#100 May 19, 2009
Drexel Maryland wrote:
Dollars to donuts that people working for the UC, either the school itself or the hospitals, are running a campaign here in the comments to smear anyone and everyone who utters any negative word about these unholy monsters. Some of these fifth columnists have even resorted to smear-fantasies about anti-Semitic conspiracy theories against other hospitals in this region.
****. As in totally risible and pathetic. Go to fricking heck, UC monsters.
So take your business to Provident Hospital, which is supposed to be taking care of Medicaid and uninsured patients. That's what Erkel is ripping off the White suburban taxpayers for.
Enough

New Lenox, IL

#101 May 19, 2009
Royko wrote:
<quoted text>Like the other idiot, even an idiot like you should be able to figure out that the U. of C. Hospital will shut down.
Just like Woodlawn, Hyde Park, Chicago Osteopathic, Martha Washington, Lincoln Park, Ravenswood, Cabrini, Henrotin, Edgewater....the list goes on and on of good hospitals that have been shut down by Illinois hack politicians buying votes with Medicaid cards and then not paying the bills.
What does an idiot like you suggest for paying the bills the hack politicians have promised to pay but don't?
Hey idiot, I guess you are one of those unions. Do you know how much they would save if they didn't have to pay a worker for the entire day when they only have enough work for 3 hrs. Of, that's right. Your the only one who know's anything. I guess you just like all those vactions you take without the time.

Ok, maybe you need to realize your the idiot
Jack Barron

Kewanee, IL

#102 May 19, 2009
It's good to see the U of C trolls come out to support their shafting of the poor and needy, and as a side note all of the wingers here espousing their "screw the poor" mentality are probably the first to claim how religious they are. I seem to recall that Jesus did a lot of work for the poor. Maybe it's just not your Jesus but a different one I'm thinking of.
Yawn

Chicago, IL

#103 May 19, 2009
Eric J Ice Gipson wrote:
<quoted text>
Therein lies the problem, given the numerous internal e-mails bullet pointing what some people here have repeated, verbatim I might add, one would think that at least one of the e-mails would give a listing of the non-emergency clinics to help spread the word. Instead, I have e-mail after e-mail espousing all the wonderful things UCMC does and how costly it is for people to use the ER for their medical treatment. But I have yet to see an e-mail that explains the next time my son has a 105 degree temperature on a Sunday morning where I should go, because Friend Family Health Center is closed on Sundays. I have yet to see an e-mail explaining who is going to accept our UCHP insurance if we do use an outside clinic. I have yet to see it explained how if we do use an outside clinic how that information is going to make its way back into EPIC since the Southside Collaborative seems to be using something else (Centricity?) and UCMC/EPIC wont extend the license/usage to these organizations.
To this day I have yet to have it explained to me why I need to become a pseudo-doctor, why I have to make a self-diagnosis or diagnose my son. I don't know if I have a strain, sprain, or a break. I don't know if I have a headache, migraine, or tumor. What I do know is that if I am feeling so bad that I actually WANT to see a doctor then I want to be seen at that time. Seriously, how many people LIKE going to the doctor or to the hospital?
If you know that x number of people per year use the ER as their primary care how have you not budgeted for that? Where is our internal and external marketing detailing the clinics that the Medical Centers throughout Chicagoland want us to use? As a matter of fact where is the marketing for UCMC at all? I have barely even seen a Huron ad. In terms of PR, I think Dr. Whitaker had by far the best piece I have read and if I run into him at Mr. Hunters barbershop I will tell him so, but even in that piece, it did nothing to address my questions and concerns, which to me, suggests that this entire plan has yet to be fully developed and that gives me even more pause. If you cannot convince your own people that this is the right way, going forward, how will you convince the public?
Interesting
Yawn

Chicago, IL

#104 May 19, 2009
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
If you know that a PPO will give you more options, in and out of network, than UCHP, for the level of care you demand for your family, how have you not budgeted for that?
LMAO. I guess he is taking the cheap route. UCHP is at the lower rung of the ladder of choices.
Dribble

Chicago, IL

#105 May 19, 2009
dave4118 wrote:
eric j ice gipson,
it seems that you are complaining that it isn't convenient enough for you to find out about PRIMARY ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE...YEESH! when that right-wing politician rants and raves to his drooling followers about 'people' not taking responsibility for their themselves....your statements are why that kind of drivel resonates with ditto-heads.
Ditto. What about the people who don't have any insurance at all after being laid off by UCMC by the 100's most recently? Another round is coming up by the new fiscal year, I hope you are not added to that list because you publicly criticized that horrid institution you work for.
Yawn

Chicago, IL

#106 May 19, 2009
Phizz wrote:
I stand by my assertion that the world would be better off without the U of C.
Here are some examples why I take this position: The University's eugenicist scientists of the 1920s who influenced the Nazis; the development of the A-bomb ("The U of C--where the end of the world began"); the pervasive preaching of extremist laissez faire capitalism by Milton Friedman and others; the University economists who backed and advised brutal dictators such as Augusto Pinochet of Chile; the University's racist policies against African-Americans in Hyde Park and the surrounding communities going back many decades; the fact that the University continues to graduate callous, brutal, arrogant elites who are greatly contributing to the destruction of us little people and of our whole society.
True, the U of C like all malevolent entities, has many lackeys and bootlickers who will defend it on the Internet, but the truth will prevail.
Wow!!
calling out Royko

Chicago, IL

#107 May 19, 2009
Kristin wrote:
<quoted text>
Northwestern is not a Xtian hospital. But please, feel free to carry on with your conspiracy theories.
Royko, tell people who you are. The fact is that the Urban Health Initiative is not being conducted at Rush, Northwestern or Loyola. They are not sending their patients away.
RNstudent

Chicago, IL

#108 May 19, 2009
Northwestern is located in the Gold Coast, not Hyde Park, and is within a 5 mile radius of the Illinois Medical district, containing Univ of Illinois, Rush, the West Side VA and Cook County Hospitals (and NU has the lowest Medicaid patient percentage of all of those institutions). Loyola just announced massive layoffs, but low and behold has come through relatively unscathed by the media. The tribune enjoys distorting the facts and manipulating stats to sensationalize their stories, which anyone remotely related to the healthcare field can see as blatant agenda-pushing.
moreofthesame

Chicago, IL

#110 May 20, 2009
Consider All Sides wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny, I don't see scores of people running across the border from Canada in envy of our system. I will admit, there may be some people who come over to the US for certain parts of their treatment, but in all, we haven't had to close the borders down because the Canadians are taking up space in US hospitals.
Although we don't have a socialized medical system, I still wait 6 months to see a doctor & have to schedule surgeries months in advance. I can't get insurance on my own because of pre-existing conditions. When I do get insurance through my employer, they've opted for the cheap plan with exclusions. When I am unemployed & uninsured a doctor's office will not see me because I can't guarantee payment. The doctor is being charged enormous amount for malpractice insurance (despite legislation capping the damages that could be recovered by a patient - even though that legislation was supposed to be the quick fix).
The ONLY winner in our health-care industry is the insurance companies. They continue to increase premiums, add more "out-of-pocket" deductibles to plans, pay less for the procedures (less to the doctor) and still get to invest all that money to make even more money. They have all the lobbyists, all the money for lawyers and all the political influence.
Those of you who think they have the quick fix answer should spend time on all sides of the issue first.
Canadians actually pay for their healthcare here, unlike the illegals or the poor.
flipp wilson

Chicago, IL

#111 May 20, 2009
Eric J Ice Gipson wrote:
<quoted text>
Therein lies the problem, given the numerous internal e-mails bullet pointing what some people here have repeated, verbatim I might add, one would think that at least one of the e-mails would give a listing of the non-emergency clinics to help spread the word. Instead, I have e-mail after e-mail espousing all the wonderful things UCMC does and how costly it is for people to use the ER for their medical treatment. But I have yet to see an e-mail that explains the next time my son has a 105 degree temperature on a Sunday morning where I should go, because Friend Family Health Center is closed on Sundays. I have yet to see an e-mail explaining who is going to accept our UCHP insurance if we do use an outside clinic. I have yet to see it explained how if we do use an outside clinic how that information is going to make its way back into EPIC since the Southside Collaborative seems to be using something else (Centricity?) and UCMC/EPIC wont extend the license/usage to these organizations.
To this day I have yet to have it explained to me why I need to become a pseudo-doctor, why I have to make a self-diagnosis or diagnose my son. I don't know if I have a strain, sprain, or a break. I don't know if I have a headache, migraine, or tumor. What I do know is that if I am feeling so bad that I actually WANT to see a doctor then I want to be seen at that time. Seriously, how many people LIKE going to the doctor or to the hospital?
If you know that x number of people per year use the ER as their primary care how have you not budgeted for that? Where is our internal and external marketing detailing the clinics that the Medical Centers throughout Chicagoland want us to use? As a matter of fact where is the marketing for UCMC at all? I have barely even seen a Huron ad. In terms of PR, I think Dr. Whitaker had by far the best piece I have read and if I run into him at Mr. Hunters barbershop I will tell him so, but even in that piece, it did nothing to address my questions and concerns, which to me, suggests that this entire plan has yet to be fully developed and that gives me even more pause. If you cannot convince your own people that this is the right way, going forward, how will you convince the public?
Boy you must really hate your employer, UC. You expect them to solve your issues about health care access and also to share data/systems with other organizations (which is expensive and rarely done nationwide). Why don't you find another doctor, there are many places on the south side that will take you, you just have to try (I know I tried and found them).
Enough

New Lenox, IL

#112 May 20, 2009
flipp wilson wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy you must really hate your employer, UC. You expect them to solve your issues about health care access and also to share data/systems with other organizations (which is expensive and rarely done nationwide). Why don't you find another doctor, there are many places on the south side that will take you, you just have to try (I know I tried and found them).
I'm sorry but you are way off base. Most hospitals using an EMR (like EPIC) will be sharing your records with any other hospital using their system (wether you like it or not). I believe EPIC calls that care everywhere.

As to the clinics, isn't that what UC is doing by reviewing patients to see where they should go.

One question, does UC ask for the patients insurance information BEFORE they decide where the patient should be treated. If they didn't, I would agree they are being fair.

However, if 2 people come in with the same problem and one gets sent to another hospital (due to no insurance or public aid) and the other who has BCBS is treated at the hospital, then they need to lose their tax excempt status!
Sophia

Chicago, IL

#113 May 25, 2009
I'd like to invite anyone who is upset with the UofC's actions to come have their voices heard this Friday:
The Coalition for Healthcare Access Responsibility and Transparency (CHART), a group of community members, university students and hospital workers, will be sponsoring the following actions:

10:30am- Press Conference at clinic, 1301 E. 47th St.
11:15am- March from clinic to campus
12noon- Rally at U of C Admin Building 5801 S. Ellis

Peace,
Sophia

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