District wants to close 16 Chicago pu...

District wants to close 16 Chicago public schools

There are 51 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 16, 2009, titled District wants to close 16 Chicago public schools. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Socorro Contreras lives across the street from Carpenter Elementary School, but her two children could end up going to a school more than a mile away if the latest Chicago Public Schools closing plan announced ...

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lalfie

Westmont, IL

#1 Jan 17, 2009
Wow, the kids might have to walk. I had to walk 2 miles to my grammar school, and lived. In a long run, the walk might be really good for them.

This society is really unbelievable
stan

Chicago, IL

#2 Jan 17, 2009
Really, just show us the data. How hard is that? There won't be too much arguing afterward. I'd be willing to bet that in this situation, one side is overwhelmingly right. Take all students' scores, because those are what the idiot bureaucrats chose to use as a measure, and compare them to previous years' scores. It's not hard.

Give us the average scores for each student in each type of CPS school. That should take 5 seconds. Maybe stick the averages to a nice colorful graph.

Then, show us the scores of students who have attended a school in which all the adults were fired. Show us the scores of students who attended other schools because theirs were closed. Show us the scores of students who attended privatized (meaning, the building and everything in it were handed to privately owned entities) schools.

Let us compare and end this debate. We have years of data available.

Oh, wait, what? You can't get that data together? And what work has been done is "inconclusive?" You have "mixed results?"

Why don't you put all the underachieving students in one school and then claim that only one school in the entire city isn't meeting standards?
LMAO

Vernon Hills, IL

#3 Jan 17, 2009
lalfie wrote:
Wow, the kids might have to walk. I had to walk 2 miles to my grammar school, and lived. In a long run, the walk might be really good for them.
This society is really unbelievable
You didn't have to walk to school through gang-infested neighborhoods. If you had, you wouldn't be alive now to make your insensitive crack.
No Need

AOL

#4 Jan 17, 2009
Wouldn't need school buses if we had the sense to close these lousy / failed CPS. Save the money, cut pollution and capitulate to reality, the CPS doesn't do diddly or squat to prepare the vast majority of its 'students' to compete in a global economy where there are - literally, hundreds and hundreds of millions who are going to compete for jobs.
Give it a rest, dump the buses, close the schools and enforce mandatory planned parenthood - especially in 'the hood.'
Matthew

Hanover Park, IL

#5 Jan 17, 2009
LMAO wrote:
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You didn't have to walk to school through gang-infested neighborhoods. If you had, you wouldn't be alive now to make your insensitive crack.
Well presumably the kids would be safe on school buses, so stick them on one of those.

I had to "suffer" through riding school buses during part of my childhood (the part spent on the mean streets of the North Shore) and I lived to tell the tale!
effaridi

Woodridge, IL

#6 Jan 17, 2009
Unless there are special circumstances, like attendance to selective enrollment schools, busing isn't much of an option. The city cut back on busing to save money years ago. Logistically, you can't bus whole neighborhoods of children elsewhere. There is nowhere for them to go. Consolidation of schools is understandable for under-utilized schools, but additional resources need to be allocated to schools with high concentrations of poor, homeless or special needs students. Closing doors doesn't solve the problem and doesn't address the educational needs of students at all.
Snow Days Forever

AOL

#7 Jan 17, 2009
Just call it a day and close the CPS - they're just awful anyway.
Either that, or, convert them into neighborhood prisons. After all, they're just halfway house day-cares for future prison inmates anyway - make it official.
Pathetic 'schools' in a system of profound waste for children and a city with no future!

Since: Apr 08

Campbellsville, KY

#8 Jan 17, 2009
Voucher system, all money follows the kids, NONE to go to the school unless the parent find the school worthy.
jfr

Virginia Beach, VA

#9 Jan 18, 2009
While no longer living in Chicago, if they're not needed, close them and use the assets where needed. Makes sense to me.
republican

Chicago, IL

#10 Jan 18, 2009
Shut down the entire failed system
nyc flightie

Chicago, IL

#11 Jan 18, 2009
so where can we find the list of to-be-closed schools?
JRS

AOL

#12 Jan 18, 2009
close them the kids dont go anyway after all the boys are into gangs and the girls cant keep their legs crossed!!!!!!!!!!
Clarence

United States

#13 Jan 18, 2009
The Tribune writer used some gimmicks in writing this story. Starting with a Mother who lives across from a school would have to go 1 mile to the new school. What about the Mother that lives a mile away and has to travel to this school which is about to close. What nonsense. Keep up the bad work Trib.
truthurts

Hammond, IN

#14 Jan 18, 2009
Thanks Arnie. Maybe you can bring the graduation rate down for the whole USA. It's the age of the 'No Bad Illinois Bureaucrat or Politician Left Behind Act'
Jeff

Chicago, IL

#16 Jan 18, 2009
How can they be closing schools when there are schools still using mobile homes as classrooms?
greg

Luverne, MN

#17 Jan 18, 2009
LMAO wrote:
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You didn't have to walk to school through gang-infested neighborhoods. If you had, you wouldn't be alive now to make your insensitive crack.
then get off your _ss AND TAKE BACK YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!!
No Excuses

AOL

#18 Jan 18, 2009
Let's simply face facts.
The Chicago Public Schools - whether expresso-machine purchases or results, fail at EVERY level. They're money suckers that don't produce results.
'Schools' are no replacement for parenting and they're VERY expensive day care facilities for gang-bangers and the unemployable in waiting.
In a global economy with countless millions ready, willing and able to compete for jobs, the products of the CPS are being prepared to ask 'would you like fries with that.' Of course, even fast-food jobs won't exist in ten years - when robotics, voice-recognition software and electronic payment have reduced staffing needs by 85%.
Let's face facts, not even out of the womb are all created equal and to dumb down an education system - like Chicago's, to the most common denominator is counter-productive -t o say the least. The billions of dollars for no return [apart from limited day care / putting off the inevitable] is an awful charade at taxpayer's expense.
Remove all real-estate tax based support for schools, close the public schools and let the chips fall where they may. It's not like what we've got is worth continuing and there's no reason to believe they'll get anything other than worse. Public education might have worked - to some extent, when we still had a manufacturing based economy and a fairly homogenous society; but - with dozens of languages spoken in 'the system' and no jobs for the semi-literate to be had already, this charade must end.
Let industry provide training for their future employees. We might even return to some level of job-security that way. Let those with the means attend universities {and those who can work their way through, and/or get scholarships}. Let's face it, even the public universities in this state are barely - if at all, worth keeping open. I'd never send any child of mine to a place like the U of I - where there are hundreds and hundreds in their classes. You might was well sit 'em down in front of an on-line program.
No, the entire concept of public education has fallen into a very expensive and useless pit. It's time to abandon tried and certainly failed approaches and to move on. Burning money - loads of good money, after bad doesn't DO anything but burden taxpayers and provide false hopes.
Shut 'em down - NOW!
toni

Bloomingdale, IL

#19 Jan 18, 2009
Matthew wrote:
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Well presumably the kids would be safe on school buses, so stick them on one of those.I had to "suffer" through riding school buses during part of my childhood (the part spent on the mean streets of the North Shore) and I lived to tell the tale!
I don't understand where the parents are..are they to lazy to walk the kids to school it the are section 8ers, are they to lazy to drive their kids to school like we had to, where are the parents of these gang bangers..the problems is the parents are waiting for someone to solve their problem..when my kid was in sxhool he had a choice of school bus or walk..we drove him..no big deal what is a exact 20 minutes and we had him take the school bus home or walk because we were at work and at times he did get a ride home...point is these parents nned to volunteer to make their school and community a better place..
cynic

Darien, IL

#20 Jan 18, 2009
union busting & contract awarding
Backfire

Redwood City, CA

#21 Jan 18, 2009
Chicago will never produce educated children until:
1.) Home life and parent interest improves.
2.) Schools are safe.
3.) The teachers' union is thrown out and competent teachers hired (there are competent teachers now, but they are in the minority.)
4.) Professional administrators and principals are hired to replace political patronage flunkies, and are held accountable.
5.) Students who don't want to learn and are unwilling to put forth the effort and/or who are violent or disrptive are excused (thrown out.)

Until then, Chicago students are doomed to a life of third world skills that will earn third world incomes, and the great city of Chicago will spiral down with them.

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