New study finds recurrent depression in children as young as 3

Depression in children as young as 3 is real and not just a passing grumpy mood, according to provocative new research. Full Story
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give them drugs

Atlanta, GA

#1 Aug 4, 2009
just wait baby prozac, its a coming. maybe if parents spent more time with their kids...
Mia

Elmwood Park, IL

#2 Aug 4, 2009
The Pharm industry is just following the tobacco industry's model for sustaining a rapidly depleting market...with a few refinements.

It would be nice if the pharm industry could just skip the step where they market their substances to US children and just go right to dumping them on overseas military personnel and 3rd world populations.

But why would they when it appears that our tax dollars will help them distribute their substances to every US man, woman, child and pets too before it's over

I love that these researchers have established that the children of depressed mothers are also depressed. It's a master stroke that saves a lot of time for them. Pump a woman up on Prozac and then tell her that her infant needs it too.

And our tax dollars are helping them.
Just Wandering Through

Elk Grove Village, IL

#4 Aug 4, 2009
This is astonishing! How is it determined that a preschooler is depressed? What are the criteria?
HumanSpirit

Live Oak, FL

#5 Aug 4, 2009
Just Wandering Through wrote:
This is astonishing! How is it determined that a preschooler is depressed? What are the criteria?
There is no test for chemical imbalance. That was a blanant lie by the mental health / pharmacutical industry that caused the drugging of millions of people including children:

There has been "No" biological defect found for any mental illness or any of the other made to order diagnoses by any neurological study.

Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health (psychiatry) is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't needed in Psychiatry.

The psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior and hearsay.

Psychiatry is not recognized in the sciences.

The mental health industry is making a diagnoses on the physiological differences between the so called "mentally ill" and the "normal" without knowing what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" look like?"

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss, terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance.

Besides, the mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions and hearsay.

If an orthopedic surgeon operated on a patient without the aid of an X-ray, he would be working at the carwash the next day.

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No test for chemical imbalance. Pub Med:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerende... & http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/...
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No test for chemical imbalance

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...
HumanSpirit

Live Oak, FL

#6 Aug 4, 2009
FDA bans vitamin B6 threaten US heathcare contributes to mental depression in ruling
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FDA has effectively bans a naturally-occurring form of vitamin B6

The FDA has effectively banned a naturally-occurring form of vitamin B6 called pyridoxamine by declaring it to be a drug, reports the American Association for Health Freedom. Responding to a petition filed by a drug company, the FDA declared pyridoxamine to be "a new drug." This article continues at:

http://www.naturalnews.com/025606.html

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Large Scale Study Finds Vitamin B6 Deficiency Common in the U.S.

Implications of Vitamin B6 Deficiency

Neurological Abnormalities including depression and cognitive dysfunction

In its role as a vital coenzyme, B6 is involved in the synthesis of neurotransmitters including serotonin. B6 is required to form serotonin from the amino acid tryptophan. It is also required to synthesize dopamine, norepinephrine and GABA (gamma amino butyric acid). "Early symptoms of vitamin B6 deficiency include depression and confusion" according to Eleanor Noss Whitney and Sharon Rady Rolfes, authors of the text Understanding Nutrition.

Based on the findings of the Tufts study, that B6 deficiency is indeed widespread in the U.S., as is depression, shouldn't plasma B6 (PLP) be assessed in cases of depression and cognitive dysfunction prior to resorting to misused, prescription anti depressant drugs? Is B6 deficiency, along with other nutrient deficiencies like essential fatty acid omega 3, one more link to understanding the underlying causes of depression?

http://www.naturalnews.com/023586.html

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Drugs and Suppliment Mayo Clinic

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Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) is required for the synthesis of the neurotransmitters serotonin and norepinephrine and for myelin formation.
Pyridoxine deficiency in adults principally affects the peripheral nerves, skin, mucous membranes, and the blood cell system. In children, the central nervous system (CNS) is also affected. Deficiency can occur in people with uremia, alcoholism, cirrhosis, hyperthyroidism, malabsorption syndromes, congestive heart failure (CHF), and in those taking certain medications.

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Pyridoxine is frequently used in combination with other B vitamins in vitamin B complex formulations.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vit.../NS_pa...

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Serious health problems will occur as a result of this ruling . It is obvious that this is a continuation of "Drug America" with political objectives (Codex Alimentarius Commission) and the profits of the pharmaceutical an mental health industry.

This (IMO) is an attempt to control Tryptophan (an essential amino acid) for heath and mental stability as B6 is a catalyst for absorption of the amino acid.

read here:

Amino Acid: Corruption of the Amino Acid Tryptophan

http://www.ceri.com/trypto.htm

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(Codex Alimentarius Commission. is mandated to set international reference standards and has been making decision behind secretive closed door sessions that will caused forced medicine and drugging based on pharmaceutical input without government oversight thus manipulating of the health and welfare of the public and gaining power and control over world governments.)
suzyq

Benton Harbor, MI

#8 Aug 4, 2009
How in the hXXX can a person tell if a three year old is depressed? I've had long conversations with 3 year olds and neither of us had any idea what it was about. Good lord, leave these children alone. Greedy drug companies, greedy doctors, parents who think that a pill takes the place of actually raising their children. What kind of junkies will we have if we start drugging three year olds?
Give kids drugs

Buffalo Grove, IL

#9 Aug 4, 2009
Yeah! Give the kids corporate made designer drugs!!!! Who cares if these chemical cocktails harm them for the rest of their lives? At least the corporate dope pushers got their money!

GIVE THE KIDS DESIGNER DRUGS! That's the American way!

Since: Apr 09

Chicago, IL

#10 Aug 4, 2009
Of course young children can get "depressed". John Bowlby and other attachment researchers demonstrated that in studies of hospitalized and institutionalized children in the early 1900s. Infants and children left alone for long periods of time will fight and cry for a long time, but eventually they will give up and sink into a hopeless, despairing state that is only partially relieved by the return of the parent or other caregiver. That's why orphanages and similar institutions were closed and parents are allowed and encouraged to stay with their hospitalized children as much as possible.

With that said, medication is obviously NOT the answer. The question is why are so many children "depressed" these days? Those researchers should do studies using basic attachment theory models and determine the quality of the parent-child attachment in depressed v. non-depressed kids. I'm betting you'll find a lot of unsecure attachment patterns - kids of parents who are plugged into everything - cell phones, Ipods, TV, video games, internet, etc.- except their children.
moreofthesameaga in

Buffalo Grove, IL

#11 Aug 4, 2009
moreofthesame wrote:
Everytime one of these kids see barry babbling on the tv, they fall into depression. Kids are smarter than we think and they realize that barry and his band of tax cheats are spending money that they (the three year olds) will have to pay back. Who wouldn't be depressed, that's the CHANGE and even the three year olds don't like it.
More of the same stupidity from you.

Thanks for showing us all once again that you're not smart enough to understand an article within the context that it was written, instead simplifying it to your very simple (and irrelevant) understanding by dumbing it down to an irrelevant, nonsensical political issue where no politics were presented.

Your blind hatred is not only pathological, it's a good reason why nobody should take you seriously. It's clear that you're demented, unintelligent, ignorant and incapable of rational thinking. In short, you're the freak ranting on the corner that parents pull their kids away from, except that your neighbors probably aren't aware of what a nutcase freak they have lurking in the shadows of their neighborhood.

Do you actually enjoy being a worthless troll that has nothing to contribute not only to the discussion, but to society as well? You really shouldn't hold being a total failure at life against other people. That only proves that you're too stupid or lazy to improve yourself, which is hardly a conservative trait.
Albigensian

Morristown, NJ

#12 Aug 4, 2009
This just in: barbers think everyone (but especially those as young as three months) should get more frequent haircuts.

And, the National Institute of Mental Health thinks Americans need more mental health treatment!

And (no doubt) there should either be insurance mandates, or government programs (or both) to pay for it.
HumanSpirit

Live Oak, FL

#13 Aug 4, 2009
Dienne wrote:
Of course young children can get "depressed". John Bowlby and other attachment researchers demonstrated that in studies of hospitalized and institutionalized children in the early 1900s. Infants and children left alone for long periods of time will fight and cry for a long time, but eventually they will give up and sink into a hopeless, despairing state that is only partially relieved by the return of the parent or other caregiver. That's why orphanages and similar institutions were closed and parents are allowed and encouraged to stay with their hospitalized children as much as possible.
With that said, medication is obviously NOT the answer. The question is why are so many children "depressed" these days? Those researchers should do studies using basic attachment theory models and determine the quality of the parent-child attachment in depressed v. non-depressed kids. I'm betting you'll find a lot of unsecure attachment patterns - kids of parents who are plugged into everything - cell phones, Ipods, TV, video games, internet, etc.- except their children.
Eliminate play time and pour on the homework and psycho-babble (propaganda) the kids in school with mental health theory and you have a depressed child. Add the fear of the parents and gender / child alination with allegations of abuse and you have a ripe recipe to a disrupted family.

NOW claimed 200000 members in the early 1990's but had enough money to lobby in each state capital and Washington DC. Where did the money come from?

The mental health and counseling and pharmacutical industry drugged America and removed parential control. Ronald Reagan presidency with H W Bush (VP) enacted the social services law that gave us the now CPS and mental health intrusion to every way of life including drugging our children for "made to order illnesses and bogus research"

Woman became a vehicle for the opportunity of distructing the family for the mental health industry.

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HumanSpirit

Live Oak, FL

#14 Aug 4, 2009
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society

Our main misconception about the CIA is that it serves US interests. In fact, it has always been the instrument of a dynastic international banking and oil elite (Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan) coordinated by the Royal Institute for Internal Affairs in London and their US branch,

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Feminism has done the most damage. There is no more fundamental yet delicate relationship in society than male and female. On it depends the family, the red blood cell of society. Nobody with the interests of society at heart would try to divide men and women. Yet the lie that men have exploited women has become the official orthodoxy.

Man loves woman. His first instinct is to nurture ("husband") and see her thrive. When a woman is happy, she is beautiful. Sure, some men are abusive. But the vast majority have supported and guided their families for millennium.

Feminists relentlessly advance the idea that our inherent male and female characteristics, crucial to our development as human beings, are mere "stereotypes." This is a vicious calumny on all heterosexuals, 95% of the population. Talk about hate! Yet it is taught to children in elementary schools! It is echoed in the media. Lesbians like Rosie O'Donnell are advanced as role models.

All of this is calculated to create personal confusion and sow chaos among heterosexuals. As a result, millions of American males are emasculated and divorced from their relationship to family (the world and the future.) The American woman has been hoodwinked into investing herself in a mundane career instead of the timeless love of her husband and children. Many women have become temperamentally unfit to be wives and mothers. People, who are isolated and alone, stunted and love-starved, are easy to fool and manipulate. Without the healthy influence of two loving parents, so are their children.

Feminism is a grotesque fraud perpetrated on society by its governing elite. It is designed to weaken the American social and cultural fabric in order to introduce a friendly fascist New World Order. Its advocates are sanctimonious charlatans who have grown rich and powerful from it. They include a whole class of liars and moral cripples who work for the elite in various capacities: government, education and the media. These imposters ought to be exposed and ridiculed.

Women's oppression is a lie. Sex roles were never as rigid as feminists would have us believe. My mother had a successful business in the 1950's importing watchstraps from Switzerland. When my father's income increased, she was content to quit and concentrate on the children. Women were free to pursue careers if they wanted to. The difference was that their role as wife and mother was understood, and socially validated, as it should be.

more:

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/02/3100...
John

United States

#15 Aug 4, 2009
They used to call this crap "psycho-babble" before political correctness came into vogue.

Sure, a beaten, neglected, or abused three-year old will be depressed. Anyone of any age would as well, given the same circumstances.

The suggestion that a happy, healthy, normal three-year old raised in a loving home will become depressed is pure baloney.
moreofthesame

Redford, MI

#16 Aug 4, 2009
moreofthesameagain wrote:
<quoted text>
More of the same stupidity from you.
Thanks for showing us all once again that you're not smart enough to understand an article within the context that it was written, instead simplifying it to your very simple (and irrelevant) understanding by dumbing it down to an irrelevant, nonsensical political issue where no politics were presented.
Your blind hatred is not only pathological, it's a good reason why nobody should take you seriously. It's clear that you're demented, unintelligent, ignorant and incapable of rational thinking. In short, you're the freak ranting on the corner that parents pull their kids away from, except that your neighbors probably aren't aware of what a nutcase freak they have lurking in the shadows of their neighborhood.
Do you actually enjoy being a worthless troll that has nothing to contribute not only to the discussion, but to society as well? You really shouldn't hold being a total failure at life against other people. That only proves that you're too stupid or lazy to improve yourself, which is hardly a conservative trait.
This sounds like the letter your mother gave you right before she left the trailer park with the newspaper delivery guy. Boy these liberals are touchy when you go after their boy.
Funny how they can give it out but can't take it.
LaLaLa08

United States

#17 Aug 4, 2009
moreofthesameagain wrote:
<quoted text>
More of the same stupidity from you.
Thanks for showing us all once again that you're not smart enough to understand an article within the context that it was written, instead simplifying it to your very simple (and irrelevant) understanding by dumbing it down to an irrelevant, nonsensical political issue where no politics were presented.
Your blind hatred is not only pathological, it's a good reason why nobody should take you seriously. It's clear that you're demented, unintelligent, ignorant and incapable of rational thinking. In short, you're the freak ranting on the corner that parents pull their kids away from, except that your neighbors probably aren't aware of what a nutcase freak they have lurking in the shadows of their neighborhood.
Do you actually enjoy being a worthless troll that has nothing to contribute not only to the discussion, but to society as well? You really shouldn't hold being a total failure at life against other people. That only proves that you're too stupid or lazy to improve yourself, which is hardly a conservative trait.
THANK YOU!
liner

Hicksville, NY

#18 Aug 4, 2009
suzyq wrote:
How in the hXXX can a person tell if a three year old is depressed? I've had long conversations with 3 year olds and neither of us had any idea what it was about.......
LOL!
What The F

Los Angeles, CA

#19 Aug 4, 2009
So if I'm reading between the lines correctly: kids whose mothers are mentally ill are more likely to be mentally ill. Is this supposed to be a revelation? Next you'll tell me that kids whose mothers are fat are more likely to be fat. Does the word genetics mean anything to anybody?
Matt Stephens

Harwood Heights, IL

#20 Aug 4, 2009
Neglect a child's emotional needs enough and she will suffer. Abuse her and she will suffer even more. Why is this surprising or controversial? Moreover, the way we treat our children at the youngest ages will affect their psychological health later in life.
Chicago Gal

South Holland, IL

#21 Aug 4, 2009
As a SAHM who is VERY involved every single day with her child and interacts with her child's peers regularly, I am not surprised by these findings. Every child is different (what a cliche, but so very true!) and I have long suspected depression affected even very young children.

I think anyone who spoke to any mom who spends loads of time with kids would tell you the same thing.
Mia

Elmwood Park, IL

#22 Aug 4, 2009
HumanSpirit wrote:
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There is no test for chemical imbalance.
You are so right. Depression is "caused" by serotonin imbalances, but there is no test to establish either what these levels are or what they should be.

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