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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199862 Sep 6, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Darrel, God gave us all free-will. Do I think he said oops? Nope. It is our choice what we do with our lives. We will not only be the cause of Armageddon, we'll also be the participants. Your hatred has become laughable!!! A boar's sperm and a sow's egg will only produce a pig! Nothing like a pig cooked in the ground!
Why, oh why do you insist on making a fool of yourself? Is it some manner of masochism?

So it's our choice? Really? Then why does God, who supposedly knew what Hitler and the other tyrants I named would amount to allow them to be born, in HIS IMAGE, right?

Now, a proposition for you, slug. God knows this particular one's gonna be a torturer, killer, rapist, etc. Still, free choice, like you said, bastard chooses to be a scoundrel, God lets him.

You have a son, let's say, who is of course free, majority age and all that,free as God and you, his daddy, intended him to be. He informs you he's going to jump off a 40-storey building tomorrow at 7H00 AM sharp. Remember, he's free, has made his choice like you said. Will you let him do it? Like God let Hitler torture and kill and then commit suicide?

Prediction : You won't answer the question. At least not honestly.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199863 Sep 6, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
As I said, have at it! Science? You mean man-made science? As you've already pointed out, it must be full of flaws and lies, right? LMAO!!! So, basically you put your trust and faith in man-made things. Not very smart on your part. LMAO!!!
Well, man-made science certainly seems more appealing than man-made God. At least, if we do not believe in science, we are not threatened with going to hell.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199864 Sep 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Why, oh why do you insist on making a fool of yourself? Is it some manner of masochism?
So it's our choice? Really? Then why does God, who supposedly knew what Hitler and the other tyrants I named would amount to allow them to be born, in HIS IMAGE, right?
Now, a proposition for you, slug. God knows this particular one's gonna be a torturer, killer, rapist, etc. Still, free choice, like you said, bastard chooses to be a scoundrel, God lets him.
You have a son, let's say, who is of course free, majority age and all that,free as God and you, his daddy, intended him to be. He informs you he's going to jump off a 40-storey building tomorrow at 7H00 AM sharp. Remember, he's free, has made his choice like you said. Will you let him do it? Like God let Hitler torture and kill and then commit suicide?
Prediction : You won't answer the question. At least not honestly.
Yes, it is our choice what we do with our lives. It is our free will. Some will choose to do good things while others do the opposite. It's the same battle that's been going on since the beginning of time, good vs. evil. Son: if he had already made up his mind, is there anything, anyone could do? Of course, I would try to convince him otherwise but I wouldn't be able to stop him. I might delay it but that's all. "If" his mind is made up. I've lived this scene, for real. All things happen for a reason, it is our job to learn from it. Tragedy is just part of life. You know, before I got sober, I blamed God for many things that were wrong in my life. I later learned, I was responsible for my mess, no one else. Life wasn't bad to me, I was. You have a very twisted view of religion. Instead of looking for the good, you look for what you deem to be bad. Very strange. God didn't say he'd be home at five, cook dinner and tuck us in, you know. He gave us guidelines to live by. Good guidelines.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199865 Sep 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, man-made science certainly seems more appealing than man-made God. At least, if we do not believe in science, we are not threatened with going to hell.
Why would you feel threatened by something you don't believe in?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#199866 Sep 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, and God created me? Silly me, thought it was my father's sperm and my mother's egg. What do you know?
If He created me , did he also create Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Il Sung etc? Do you think, once He realised what he did, He said "oops"?
Yes. God created you. Ans yea, He created all mankind, each with a free will. I don't think God would deny any righteous person entrance into heaven, even an atheist. Do I expect to see Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jong Il, etc., no. But God will decide, not me nor you. Why he may not even allow me for all I know.
I know one earns his angel wings one feather at a time and every now and then God pucks a few out of your wings. To paraphrase Gandhi, if God was at the top of a mountain and Hindus took one path while Christians, Jews, Muslims, Janes, etc. took other paths, the object is to get to the top of the mountain.
I even think it is possible for mentally ill Liberals to get into Heaven.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#199867 Sep 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, man-made science certainly seems more appealing than man-made God. At least, if we do not believe in science, we are not threatened with going to hell.
I believe in the laws of physicists. You might get away with breaking the laws of man but you can never get away with trying to break the laws of physics. Nor will you get away with breaking the laws of God, but I will let him judge His laws.
Science neither can prove that God exists nor can they prove he does not.
I will pray for Obama to see the Light from above.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#199868 Sep 6, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Which ocean was it? If you wish to believe you came from a glob of primordial goo, then have it. I prefer to believe there is a higher power. Your belief, or lack of, reminds me of the old song, "You're so Vain". You give yourself way too much credit. Strange how you seem to show up whenever Glotard goes on one of his trips to LaLa Land! Purely by chance, right? LMAO!
I assure you that I am not privy to Wojar's travel schedual.
Hell, right now I would trade places in an instant. Unless he is somewhere rediculously hot.

Well, back then there was only one Ocean. The land mass on Earth was confined to a super continent called Pangea... till the plates began to shift. So, since all the water was in one place there is no need for distinction.

I think that if we weighed my desire for evidence to back up what I believe... against your magic, I think it would be hard for you to convince me you are right. For you to change my ideas to yours, it would require demonstrating that honest to goodness magic is real. You may well convince me I am wrong... but you are going to have to prove it.

I think it's amusing that Mr. dominion over the Earth... personal relationship with the creator of all... would have the wherewithal to bring MY vanity into question. You lack the proper currency friend.

Last year a meteor exploded over Sri Lanka...fragments were collected that have very real fossilized biological structures. Simple organisms. Now... no one is claiming that we found extraterrestrial life, because... we didn't. But we did find evidence of it. We aren't quite done fighting about it yet... but it's almost over.

I have it on record from an astrobiologist comrade that "It was like finding a 'Q' scrabble tile floating in space... it is worth ten points, but it would be nice to have found a few 'E's first."

Now, we have experimented with all kinds of stuff from Earth. And there are tiny forms of life on Earth that not only make it through the vacumm, radiation and amazing cold of space, but they also reanimate upon return. Provided that they are rehydrated.

Knowing these truths. I have no choice but to accept that it is entirely possible that if Earth were destroyed by anything short of a black hole... for framents of the Earth to seed a planet with everything it needs for life of it's own. Provided that fragment hit water.

And since that can actually happen. I have to accept that it could have happened here. In addition, that it could happen anywhere else.

It does not answer the spark of life question. But I think even you could do yourself a favor and admit that it is far more likely than being willed into existence as the centerpiece of the cosmos so that the pope can tell high primates not to jerk off, or eat ham, or whatever.

Science is real. Mythology is not. Yet you will find 50 horiscopes and numerology charts before you will run into one damn thing about the natural world.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#199869 Sep 6, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Darrel, God gave us all free-will. Do I think he said oops? Nope. It is our choice what we do with our lives. We will not only be the cause of Armageddon, we'll also be the participants. Your hatred has become laughable!!! A boar's sperm and a sow's egg will only produce a pig! Nothing like a pig cooked in the ground!
How can it evade your attention what you just said?

"Of course I have free will, the boss said so."

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199870 Sep 6, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would you feel threatened by something you don't believe in?
The question was rhetorical. In plain English : I don't feel threatened. Look up "rhetorical".

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199871 Sep 6, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it is our choice what we do with our lives. It is our free will. Some will choose to do good things while others do the opposite. It's the same battle that's been going on since the beginning of time, good vs. evil. Son: if he had already made up his mind, is there anything, anyone could do? Of course, I would try to convince him otherwise but I wouldn't be able to stop him. I might delay it but that's all. "If" his mind is made up. I've lived this scene, for real. All things happen for a reason, it is our job to learn from it. Tragedy is just part of life. You know, before I got sober, I blamed God for many things that were wrong in my life. I later learned, I was responsible for my mess, no one else. Life wasn't bad to me, I was. You have a very twisted view of religion. Instead of looking for the good, you look for what you deem to be bad. Very strange. God didn't say he'd be home at five, cook dinner and tuck us in, you know. He gave us guidelines to live by. Good guidelines.
You son's parable was rhetorical. Question was, would you not stop him from jumping off that 40th storey even though he is entirely free to do so? In the real world, it's not true that if he had made up his mind, could anyone stop him? Many, many persons intending suicide were convinced not to, were treated and have led useful and happy lives. Again, and if God knows one's
going to turn out badly , why is he allowing that one to be born? If he is the creator of everything, it's His failure to create AND allow it, no? Which shows that the whole thing's a sham - A real God would never allow that to happen. All made up by...MEN, not God.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199872 Sep 6, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. God created you. Ans yea, He created all mankind, each with a free will. I don't think God would deny any righteous person entrance into heaven, even an atheist. Do I expect to see Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jong Il, etc., no. But God will decide, not me nor you. Why he may not even allow me for all I know.
I know one earns his angel wings one feather at a time and every now and then God pucks a few out of your wings. To paraphrase Gandhi, if God was at the top of a mountain and Hindus took one path while Christians, Jews, Muslims, Janes, etc. took other paths, the object is to get to the top of the mountain.
I even think it is possible for mentally ill Liberals to get into Heaven.
Quick question. Did God actually decide all of the above? And if so, how do we know he did? We were told He spoke to prophets and men of God. But funny, strange, we have to believe those "men of God" and prophets, take their word for it, as there were never, not even once, witnesses. Take Genesis, the beginning of it all,according to the old Testament. No one knows who wrote that. It's rumoured it was Moses, but cannot be ascertained. How can we believe a written word that has no author? If you created a family, would you like it to resemble Adam and Eve's family? What a start!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199873 Sep 6, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I assure you that I am not privy to Wojar's travel schedual.
Hell, right now I would trade places in an instant. Unless he is somewhere rediculously hot.
Well, back then there was only one Ocean. The land mass on Earth was confined to a super continent called Pangea... till the plates began to shift. So, since all the water was in one place there is no need for distinction.
I think that if we weighed my desire for evidence to back up what I believe... against your magic, I think it would be hard for you to convince me you are right. For you to change my ideas to yours, it would require demonstrating that honest to goodness magic is real. You may well convince me I am wrong... but you are going to have to prove it.
I think it's amusing that Mr. dominion over the Earth... personal relationship with the creator of all... would have the wherewithal to bring MY vanity into question. You lack the proper currency friend.
Last year a meteor exploded over Sri Lanka...fragments were collected that have very real fossilized biological structures. Simple organisms. Now... no one is claiming that we found extraterrestrial life, because... we didn't. But we did find evidence of it. We aren't quite done fighting about it yet... but it's almost over.
I have it on record from an astrobiologist comrade that "It was like finding a 'Q' scrabble tile floating in space... it is worth ten points, but it would be nice to have found a few 'E's first."
Now, we have experimented with all kinds of stuff from Earth. And there are tiny forms of life on Earth that not only make it through the vacumm, radiation and amazing cold of space, but they also reanimate upon return. Provided that they are rehydrated.
Knowing these truths. I have no choice but to accept that it is entirely possible that if Earth were destroyed by anything short of a black hole... for framents of the Earth to seed a planet with everything it needs for life of it's own. Provided that fragment hit water.
And since that can actually happen. I have to accept that it could have happened here. In addition, that it could happen anywhere else.
It does not answer the spark of life question. But I think even you could do yourself a favor and admit that it is far more likely than being willed into existence as the centerpiece of the cosmos so that the pope can tell high primates not to jerk off, or eat ham, or whatever.
Science is real. Mythology is not. Yet you will find 50 horiscopes and numerology charts before you will run into one damn thing about the natural world.
Of course man-made science is going to agree with itself. Really? Do you believe in things that cannot be measured? Do you believe in things that cannot be seen? We're not talking about magic, but faith instead. See, here's a myth you believe, that I do not have the currency to bring your vanity into question. I already did. Meteor? Old news. Interesting but not new. Why do you think the placebo effect works? And, no offense but I'll remain leery of who you are.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199874 Sep 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The question was rhetorical. In plain English : I don't feel threatened. Look up "rhetorical".
The disdain in your posts say otherwise.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199875 Sep 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You son's parable was rhetorical. Question was, would you not stop him from jumping off that 40th storey even though he is entirely free to do so? In the real world, it's not true that if he had made up his mind, could anyone stop him? Many, many persons intending suicide were convinced not to, were treated and have led useful and happy lives. Again, and if God knows one's
going to turn out badly , why is he allowing that one to be born? If he is the creator of everything, it's His failure to create AND allow it, no? Which shows that the whole thing's a sham - A real God would never allow that to happen. All made up by...MEN, not God.
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I believe in a higher power. If you don't, so be it. Not my loss.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199877 Sep 7, 2014
"Monthly beefs about O'Hare International Airport jet noise have soared more than 1,200 percent since new O'Hare flight paths beduted last fall."

Chicago Sun-Times

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199878 Sep 7, 2014
Whooops.
I am not dyslexic....."debuted "

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199879 Sep 7, 2014
Jacques,
A lot of people around O'Hare are now just waiting for that next big chunck of green ice to come crashing through their roofs.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199880 Sep 7, 2014
Jacques,
Truth be told, O'Hare Airport more than anything else makes Chicagoland a shitty place to live.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199881 Sep 7, 2014
Jacques,
So I was on some website reading about the Islamic Golden Age and all the marvelous achievements of Muslims that humanity just cannot do without.
I was thinking to myself, "Wow, this seems almost too good to be true."
It went so far as to claim that the works of Mozart and Beethoven were greatly influenced by Islam.
Let me state here and now that is a near total fabrication.
In fact, both Beethoven and Mozart each wrote one (1) "Turkish March" which were indeed inspired by a fascination of the Turkish military marching bands of yore.
That, mis amigos, is the extent of the Islamic influence on two of the greatest western composers of all time.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199882 Sep 7, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I believe in a higher power. If you don't, so be it. Not my loss.
And that is precisely where you err. This Higher Power has zero to do with religion. And, I'll ask you again, what makes you think YOUR religion is the right one as opposed to all the other ones? They are as convinced of theirs as the only one as you are of yours. Although different in many ways, they share the same philosophy, namely scare the wit out of its followers in order to dominate them, starting with their thinking process. It worked well until today when religion's foibles and excesses have at last been revealed, and except for Islam (its turn will come), all religions are showing a huge drop in believers and church attendance. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.

Again , I urge you, open the Old Testament at almost any page, do it, and tell me if it doesn't mention rape, incest, violence, torture, massacres of men, women and children and destruction of whole cities, ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD. Talk about taking His name in vain. The ever-forgiving God who threatens his own people with balls of fire, of destroying all of them, and just before the great flood, regrets, yes, God regrets, having created man. Can you imagine all-perfect God the Creator regretting creating man in his own image, making such a huge mistake?

Genesis 6:6 : "The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." Bet you never knew about that one, right?

So what'd He do? He killed every man, woman and child, babies even (damn those baby fornicators) on earth except for Noah and his family. Nice. Wake up, smell the coffee. God did not do that. Men invented the flood fable for a reason. And it worked for centuries.

Go on, read the Bible, educate yourself, as I haven't had the pedagogical training to do it.

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