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“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199965 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques,
Allow me to try and draw a simple comparison,...and then I am off to the ol' rat race.

When you go to a see and hear a world class orchestra, such as the Chicago Symphony, and there you are basking in the majesty and sunshine of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony, you are not going to hear it performed in the key of D flat minor. No, you are going to hear it in the key it was first written when Luwig first set quill and ink to paper.
Although "The 5th' would certainly be very interesting in D flat minor, it would not be the real McCoy.
Sam exact thing with the Anglicanized Bible. Or any other important manuscript of which legends are made for that matter.
You gotta go to the source.
loose

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199966 Sep 9, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Look Wilbur, how many times have I said, "if that's what you believe, have at it?" How many? And yet, you keep replying back, why? Now, one more time, if you choose to believe in nothing, have at it. Out of ammo? I haven't even fired, yet! Now, you're just going to have to take your belief system and go cuddle up with it, it is yours.
So, may I conclude that you don't believe in Luke and the Gospels. Some Christian.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#199967 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques,
When music is transposed from one key to another, the whole texture and meaning and mood can be lost or irretrievably altered from the original.
Language can also act in the same manner.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199968 Sep 9, 2014
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
Allow me to try and draw a simple comparison,...and then I am off to the ol' rat race.
When you go to a see and hear a world class orchestra, such as the Chicago Symphony, and there you are basking in the majesty and sunshine of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony, you are not going to hear it performed in the key of D flat minor. No, you are going to hear it in the key it was first written when Luwig first set quill and ink to paper.
Although "The 5th' would certainly be very interesting in D flat minor, it would not be the real McCoy.
Sam exact thing with the Anglicanized Bible. Or any other important manuscript of which legends are made for that matter.
You gotta go to the source...WHICH IS NOT LATIN.
loose
You : "You gotta go to the source"...WHICH IS NOT LATIN

Having said that, you're right. Translations hardly ever do justice to the original -(I can vouch for that) as the translator works hard at not producing a literal translation which would appear machined and artificial. He/she will then lose him/herself in his/her own interpretation, and after many translations from one language to another, it often becomes a sort of oral tradition as "raconté: by village Griots in Africa.
Learn to Read

United States

#199969 Sep 9, 2014
What is amazing to me is Christians who know very little about their own religion or scriptures but are quite comfortable taking passages from one translation or another and interpreting them according to their own experiences and beliefs – yet many of these same Christians knowing nothing about other religions or their scriptures steadfastly insist that a passage from a particular translation of "that other book" has one absolute meaning and thus justifies the condemnation of an entire religion. As if their Supreme Deity only bestowed the ability to think upon their chosen sect...

LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199970 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So, may I conclude that you don't believe in Luke and the Gospels. Some Christian.
What you may conclude is this, I have no interest in your argument over verses. Why don't you just make your point? Some man.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199971 Sep 9, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
What you may conclude is this, I have no interest in your argument over verses. Why don't you just make your point? Some man.
Make my point? Gladly, my point being that you are ignorant, confronted with a genuine verse by Luke and not able to respond to it - admit it, it's the first time you've seen it. Verses are part and parcel of Holy Scripture, that essential ensemble which defines your Church.

Last time : What is your opinion on Jesus telling his prospective apostles to hate and leave their wives and children? How long will you evade the question?

Just respond :

a) It's not true. Jesus never said that. Luke is FOS (LRS-Dale tm reg'd) ;
b) The Gospels are a pack of lies and not essential to my religion;
c) looks like it's true and I will therefore make it a point of knowing more of my religion before mouthing off on it;
d) I'll make sure to discuss it with God tonight when we have our daily little talk.
fit4life424

Park Forest, IL

#199973 Sep 9, 2014
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Dale

Wichita, KS

#199974 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Make my point? Gladly, my point being that you are ignorant, confronted with a genuine verse by Luke and not able to respond to it - admit it, it's the first time you've seen it. Verses are part and parcel of Holy Scripture, that essential ensemble which defines your Church.
Last time : What is your opinion on Jesus telling his prospective apostles to hate and leave their wives and children? How long will you evade the question?
Just respond :
a) It's not true. Jesus never said that. Luke is FOS (LRS-Dale tm reg'd) ;
b) The Gospels are a pack of lies and not essential to my religion;
c) looks like it's true and I will therefore make it a point of knowing more of my religion before mouthing off on it;
d) I'll make sure to discuss it with God tonight when we have our daily little talk.
LMAO!!! Dumbass, feel free to use my name, but only when posting to me.
Now as for Jesus telling people to hater, that isn't the meaning of his words, he simply meant that to follow him one must be 100% devoted to the cause.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199975 Sep 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Dumbass, feel free to use my name, but only when posting to me.
Now as for Jesus telling people to hater, that isn't the meaning of his words, he simply meant that to follow him one must be 100% devoted to the cause.
So you're an exegete now, interpreting the words of Jesus as told by Luke. Impressive.

Luke : "Don't worry, Jesus, Dale will interpret all your words if you're not sufficiently articulate".

I I only used your name to attribute foul language, nothing to do with the Holy Scriptures, but hey, if you want to appear ignorant too, be my guest.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#199976 Sep 9, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your definition. Have at it!
Not my definition. Are you using the Play Webster's Dictionary? When you talk to God does He talk back to you?
From Wikipedia:
"Magic or sorcery is an attempt to understand, experience and influence the world using rituals, symbols, actions, gestures and language.[1][2][3][4] Modern Western magicians generally state magic's primary purpose to be personal spiritual growth.[5] Modern theories of magic may see it as the result of a universal sympathy where some act can produce a result somewhere else, or as a collaboration with spirits who cause the effect"
"Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts natural science."
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199977 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Make my point? Gladly, my point being that you are ignorant, confronted with a genuine verse by Luke and not able to respond to it - admit it, it's the first time you've seen it. Verses are part and parcel of Holy Scripture, that essential ensemble which defines your Church.
Last time : What is your opinion on Jesus telling his prospective apostles to hate and leave their wives and children? How long will you evade the question?
Just respond :
a) It's not true. Jesus never said that. Luke is FOS (LRS-Dale tm reg'd) ;
b) The Gospels are a pack of lies and not essential to my religion;
c) looks like it's true and I will therefore make it a point of knowing more of my religion before mouthing off on it;
d) I'll make sure to discuss it with God tonight when we have our daily little talk.
LMAO! OCD much? Oh yeah!!!!!! As to your verses, are you blind, I answered your question, moron. Do try and keep up, Junior! BTW, another nice dig against religion, way to go Jr. You're real class, real class indeed. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199978 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're an exegete now, interpreting the words of Jesus as told by Luke. Impressive.
Luke : "Don't worry, Jesus, Dale will interpret all your words if you're not sufficiently articulate".
I I only used your name to attribute foul language, nothing to do with the Holy Scriptures, but hey, if you want to appear ignorant too, be my guest.
You're the one appearing ignorant, Jr. Only you.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#199979 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You : "You gotta go to the source"...WHICH IS NOT LATIN
Having said that, you're right. Translations hardly ever do justice to the original -(I can vouch for that) as the translator works hard at not producing a literal translation which would appear machined and artificial. He/she will then lose him/herself in his/her own interpretation, and after many translations from one language to another, it often becomes a sort of oral tradition as "raconté: by village Griots in Africa.
The Douay-Rheims is the first English translation of the Latin Vulgate bible, the latter translated from original manuscripts in ~382 AD by St. Jerome. Because most of the original manuscripts have perished, the Latin Vulgate has been considered as the closest in authenticity to the original manuscripts in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. I have forgotten my high school Latin, however.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199980 Sep 9, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not my definition. Are you using the Play Webster's Dictionary? When you talk to God does He talk back to you?
From Wikipedia:
"Magic or sorcery is an attempt to understand, experience and influence the world using rituals, symbols, actions, gestures and language.[1][2][3][4] Modern Western magicians generally state magic's primary purpose to be personal spiritual growth.[5] Modern theories of magic may see it as the result of a universal sympathy where some act can produce a result somewhere else, or as a collaboration with spirits who cause the effect"
"Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts natural science."
And you're an idiot in terms of spirituality. Oh my goodness......WIKI!!!!!!!!!! LMAO! I take back my last post, there are two of you looking completely ignorant. How's that grass hut coming along? Hee Hee Hee

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#199981 Sep 9, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
What is amazing to me is Christians who know very little about their own religion or scriptures but are quite comfortable taking passages from one translation or another and interpreting them according to their own experiences and beliefs – yet many of these same Christians knowing nothing about other religions or their scriptures steadfastly insist that a passage from a particular translation of "that other book" has one absolute meaning and thus justifies the condemnation of an entire religion. As if their Supreme Deity only bestowed the ability to think upon their chosen sect...
Very well stated.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#199982 Sep 9, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're an exegete now, interpreting the words of Jesus as told by Luke. Impressive.
Luke : "Don't worry, Jesus, Dale will interpret all your words if you're not sufficiently articulate".
I I only used your name to attribute foul language, nothing to do with the Holy Scriptures, but hey, if you want to appear ignorant too, be my guest.
LMAO!!! Dumbass, you're too damn dumb to interpret anything, I had to do it for you.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#199983 Sep 9, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The Douay-Rheims is the first English translation of the Latin Vulgate bible, the latter translated from original manuscripts in ~382 AD by St. Jerome. Because most of the original manuscripts have perished, the Latin Vulgate has been considered as the closest in authenticity to the original manuscripts in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. I have forgotten my high school Latin, however.
Thanks for pointing out how even oral tradition would likely be more precise than the results of translations that have come from the 1st century , from Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and thence to Latin. So much for faith in things concocted in fertile minds and thereafter translated.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Philippines

#199984 Sep 9, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
And you're an idiot in terms of spirituality. Oh my goodness......WIKI!!!!!!!!!! LMAO! I take back my last post, there are two of you looking completely ignorant. How's that grass hut coming along? Hee Hee Hee
The Wikipedia definitions are consistent with other authoritative sources. When Romper has no rebuttal, his non-strategy is to flail at the source. Once again, Romper, are you using the Play Webster's dictionary?

What a loser.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Not my definition. Are you using the Play Webster's Dictionary? When you talk to God does He talk back to you?
From Wikipedia:
"Magic or sorcery is an attempt to understand, experience and influence the world using rituals, symbols, actions, gestures and language.[1][2][3][4] Modern Western magicians generally state magic's primary purpose to be personal spiritual growth.[5] Modern theories of magic may see it as the result of a universal sympathy where some act can produce a result somewhere else, or as a collaboration with spirits who cause the effect"
"Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts natural science."
Merriam-Webster

magic:
"an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source "

superstition:
a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition

Take a look in the mirror, Romper.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#199985 Sep 9, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The Wikipedia definitions are consistent with other authoritative sources. When Romper has no rebuttal, his non-strategy is to flail at the source. Once again, Romper, are you using the Play Webster's dictionary?
What a loser.
<quoted text>
Merriam-Webster
magic:
"an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source "
superstition:
a : a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b : an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
Take a look in the mirror, Romper.
Learn something Shortboy. You crack me up!

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