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American Lady

Danville, KY

#193731 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Sorry wojar, but the 14th Citizenship Clause was framed under Natural Law (Law of Nations), they threw the jus soli out the window.
Vattel 212
§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country
Ohhhh Y~E~A~H ...!!!

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#193732 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Just as I thought, when confronted you revert to BS.
"and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", is nothing more than the US Constitution, since it has complete jurisdiction over the US government.
Why does the US have jurisdiction over its minors?
You have enlighten us by stating the reason that an alien ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the United States because an alien can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job. I replied that by applying your legal analysis a minor ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDCTION of the United States because a minor can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193733 Jun 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said it was? You're the one who is confused about the distinction. An alien in the US OWES allegiance to the US, even if he has warm fuzzy feelings for his home country. So, for example, when it is said that a person born a citizen in the US is one who does not owe allegiance to a foreign power, it is absolutely true that the person born in the US, even of alien parents does not owe allegiance to and is not subject to, per US law, any foreign power.
Are you clear on that matter now?
<quoted text>
He owes only a temporary allegiance - meaning obey our laws while you're here. Are you clear on it, now? You love to play on words, if that's what you're looking for then please move to the kiddie pool. BTW, are you wearing shorts, black socks and sandals?
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193734 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Show me where I have stated that I was an expert on Canadian Law! You can't
Now you can take your lying communist ass back to your bedroom and do whatever you like to do in there.
Show me where I said that you said you were an expert on anything.

You claimed that Canadian law had jurisdiction over aliens. You claim that US law does not. That kind of "expertise" is entertaining but as worthless as everything else in your fantasy

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#193735 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! All you have to do is read the preamble, it tells you who is subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution. Who are "We the People", it sure isn't the aliens, they are subjects of their country of origin. This is why we make treaties, one can't have jurisdiction over something that he doesn't own.
If the drafters of the Constitution only wanted citizens to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution they would have written WE THE CITIZENS instead of WE THE PEOPLE.

Please explain why the drafters of the civil right amendments to the constitution written the words "RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE" instead of RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS" in the First, Second,
Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth?

Pleas explain why US Supreme Court has held that aliens are PERSONS and are entited to the protection of these amendments? Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886); Wong Wing v. U.S. 163 U.S. 228,238 (1896) ; Shaughnessy v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953);
Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976). Pyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 211 (1982)

As for your legal analysis that jurisdiction only applies to something that is owned, then you assumed that people are owned by the government.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193736 Jun 17, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
You have enlighten us by stating the reason that an alien ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the United States because an alien can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job. I replied that by applying your legal analysis a minor ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDCTION of the United States because a minor can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job.
No, the reason why an alien isn't subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (Constitution), is because he isn't a citizen. To say an alien is subject to the jurisdiction of the constitution would be giving him citizenship without the naturalization process.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193737 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me where I said that you said you were an expert on anything.
You claimed that Canadian law had jurisdiction over aliens. You claim that US law does not. That kind of "expertise" is entertaining but as worthless as everything else in your fantasy
Learn to Read wrote:

<quoted text>
This from the expert on Canadian law ... Poor pathetic Dufus - whenever your fable falls apart all you can do is punt .

AND???
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193738 Jun 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
A US citizen is only under US jurisdiction while here also. While in France, you are under French jurisdiction. However, the jurisdiction of the US over the US domain is not temporary.
Thus the term, "temporary jurisdiction" does not distinguish an alien from a citizen. LRS is going in circles.
<quoted text>
It doesn't in your small mind, that's for sure. Kiddie pool ------->

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#193739 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques,
It is the second tallest structure in Chicago and should stand on its own merits.
You do not see John Hancock emblazoned across the side of the John Hancock. People the world over know the John Hancock without superfluous and trivial adornments.
Or The Louvre splashed atop The Louvre. Or Versailles festooned across the Palace of Versailles.
loose
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193740 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Learn to Read wrote:

<quoted text>
This from the expert on Canadian law ... Poor pathetic Dufus - whenever your fable falls apart all you can do is punt .

AND???
And I mocked you by calling you an "expert". Where does it say that you called yourself an expert? Poor illiterate moron.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193741 Jun 17, 2014
Hey Dufus. Where did I ever call myself a communist? List liar liar.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193742 Jun 17, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If the drafters of the Constitution only wanted citizens to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution they would have written WE THE CITIZENS instead of WE THE PEOPLE.
Please explain why the drafters of the civil right amendments to the constitution written the words "RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE" instead of RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS" in the First, Second,
Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth?
Pleas explain why US Supreme Court has held that aliens are PERSONS and are entited to the protection of these amendments? Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886); Wong Wing v. U.S. 163 U.S. 228,238 (1896) ; Shaughnessy v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953);
Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976). Pyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 211 (1982)
As for your legal analysis that jurisdiction only applies to something that is owned, then you assumed that people are owned by the government.
Aliens aren't "We the People", they happen to be subject to and subjects of their countries of origin.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193743 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
One year ago : Pro-Pravda=Putin communist traitor
Today : Pro-Pravda-Putin communist traitor
One year ago : Hater of that BLACK man in the WHITE HOUSE
Today : Hater of that BLACK man in the WHITE House
One year ago : Totally uninformed
Today : Totally uninformed
Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil.
That's it Jacqtari, throw that race card out there. It's all you've got.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#193744 Jun 17, 2014
Herewith your reply to my post :
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>GFY!!! I ain't playing you game!
which asked :

Please tell me more about the Jay treaty of 1790 and how it affects aliens living in the U.S. and not subject to U.S. laws and being subjected to their countries' laws whilst living in the U.S. Should be interesting. Why do you never mention the various Vienna conventions?
I did not say anything about my knowledge of int'l law. I merely ask for yours as you write about it with such authority.

==========

Amazing. Out comes the standard "Justice" and birther non-reply. Is stuck, dumbfounded, has no riposte, comes out with profanity such as "GFY!!! I ain't playing you game!"

BREAKING FOXNEWS :

Scene : Birther land court of justice.
Presiding : Justice burfoon buffoon birther Dale

Lawyer : As you can plainly see, Justice Ha ha (sorry) Dale, your (snickers) Honour, my client is innocent of all charges against him.

"Justice" OMG Dale : GFY!!! I ain't playing you game

One last thing, Justice (guffaws), Dale, what does GFY. mean? I'm guessing it means "I don't know what to reply, I have nothing, never had."

And, being a "justice" (rolling in aisle), I'm sure GFY means "Go fudge yourself". Surely

Going to Chicago in the fall by car. If I get a speeding ticket, and not being an American "subject", and therefore not under U.S. jurisdiction, but "subjected" to Canadian jurisdiction by "treaty", I'll just tell the trooper to send the ticket to my government. And I'm sure he'll say "Yessir, will do that, and I apologize for stopping you even though you were doing more than 40 miles over the speed limit in a school zone. Do as you like, sir, and have a good stay".

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#193745 Jun 17, 2014
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohhhh Y~E~A~H ...!!!
A world-famous treatise on law by American Lady :

"Ohhhh Y~E~A~H "

Will surely go down in the annals of jurisprudence.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193746 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
Hey Dufus. Where did I ever call myself a communist? List liar liar.
It's very obvious, twink. Bye Biff!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193747 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
A world-famous treatise on law by American Lady :
"Ohhhh Y~E~A~H "
Will surely go down in the annals of jurisprudence.
You've used the exact same phrase. There's that double-neck action, again!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193749 Jun 17, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>It's very obvious, twink. Bye Biff!
Poor little lost Romper. Something you've been denying is very obvious to the rest of us

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#193750 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! wojar, aliens do not belong to the US, they happen to be subjects of other nations, this is why we have treaties, you can't have jurisdiction over something that isn't yours.
Aliens owe temporary allegiance while in the US and are under US jurisdiction, required to obey US laws. The US exercises its authority over persons and things within its dominions, not any foreign power, and power of the government of a sovereign nation to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory is the very definition of jurisdiction. No treaties required. Furthermore, the government is empowered to enter treaties per the constitution, so it is a delusion to believe that provisions of treaties are not subject to the constitution. Treaty provisions that are not constitutional would be invalid.

Dale is pissing in the wind.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The US does not depend upon any treaty to enjoy the right of jurisdiction over everything within its domain.
The concept was explained quite nicely by E. de Vattel.
Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.
The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”
Afro-Euro-Americ an Prez

Jacksonville, FL

#193751 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
One year ago : Pro-Pravda=Putin communist traitor
Today : Pro-Pravda-Putin communist traitor
One year ago : Hater of that BLACK man in the WHITE HOUSE
Today : Hater of that BLACK man in the WHITE House
One year ago : Totally uninformed
Today : Totally uninformed
Plus ça change, plus c'est pareil.
La punaise de lit

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