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Dale

Wichita, KS

#193719 Jun 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dufus, do you know why solar panels are called "solar panels"? Solar energy is converted to electrical energy. The solar panel does not create energy. If your source of light is, for example, a light bulb, you will merely be taking electrical energy to light the bulb, transmit it to the panel, and reconvert it back to electrical energy, and the result will be a net loss as the efficiency is less than 100%. If you fantasize that the "solar panel" generates energy without a power source, you are mad, in violation of the Laws of Thermodynamics.
Dufus, your stupidity goes nowhere.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! I can see you haven't any knowledge of light, much less how it can manipulated.
Stupid!!! Keep up the great work, you amuse me.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193720 Jun 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Pathetic. The court explained that a person born in the US is a natural born citizen per the jus soli rule according to the binding precedent of Ark, and Dufus Dale decides otherwise. That's not what the court said, Dale. The court did not rule that Elg was a natural born citizen because o parentage. Parentage was not even considered so it could not be a so called "binding fact" (whatever Dale thinks that means).
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Sorry wojar, but the 14th Citizenship Clause was framed under Natural Law (Law of Nations), they threw the jus soli out the window.

Vattel 212

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193721 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Your expertise extends to Csnada? Too bad you know so little about US law
LMAO!!! How would you know, your just a dumb ass communist.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193722 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
So how did a Kenyan Constitution passed after his birth control his citizenship at birth? That was your foolish claim
LMAO!!! The UK gave Kenya its independence, but it didn't change the fact that he was born a subject of the UK.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193723 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! How would you know, your just a dumb ass communist.
Same Dufus bail out. Anyone that laughs at your ignorant fables must but a communist. Poor pathetic Dufus
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193724 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Baffled with "treaties"? What treaties?
LMAO!!! Dummy, keep up!!!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193725 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The UK gave Kenya its independence, but it didn't change the fact that he was born a subject of the UK.
Your fable was that the Kenyan constitution was controlling - way to abandon a fable when it is no longer convenient
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193726 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Please tell me more about the Jay treaty of 1790 and how it affects aliens living in the U.S. and not subject to U.S. laws and being subjected to their countries' laws whilst living in the U.S. Should be interesting. Why do you never mention the various Vienna conventions?
I did not say anything about my knowledge of int'l law. I merely ask for yours as you write about it with such authority.
GFY!!! I ain't playing you game!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193727 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
But in Dufus fantasy world, aliens in Canada are subject to Canadian jurisdiction - therefore Canada has no need for treaties
Think of all the paper Canada must save by eliminating all those treaties
What Canada does is Canada's problem.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193728 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>What Canada does is Canada's problem.
This from the expert on Canadian law ... Poor pathetic Dufus - whenever your fable falls apart all you can do is punt

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#193729 Jun 17, 2014
Jacques,
Most everybody already knows brand T. Rump and wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole
His new sign overlooking the Chicago River symbolizes garishness and nothing less.
Garish is the word I was looking for.
-------

Garish:

Marred by strident color or excessive ornamentation; gawdy; tawdry.
Loud and flashy.

The American Heritage Dictionary
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193730 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
This from the expert on Canadian law ... Poor pathetic Dufus - whenever your fable falls apart all you can do is punt
Show me where I have stated that I was an expert on Canadian Law! You can't
Now you can take your lying communist ass back to your bedroom and do whatever you like to do in there.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#193731 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Sorry wojar, but the 14th Citizenship Clause was framed under Natural Law (Law of Nations), they threw the jus soli out the window.
Vattel 212
§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country
Ohhhh Y~E~A~H ...!!!

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#193732 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Just as I thought, when confronted you revert to BS.
"and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", is nothing more than the US Constitution, since it has complete jurisdiction over the US government.
Why does the US have jurisdiction over its minors?
You have enlighten us by stating the reason that an alien ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the United States because an alien can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job. I replied that by applying your legal analysis a minor ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDCTION of the United States because a minor can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193733 Jun 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said it was? You're the one who is confused about the distinction. An alien in the US OWES allegiance to the US, even if he has warm fuzzy feelings for his home country. So, for example, when it is said that a person born a citizen in the US is one who does not owe allegiance to a foreign power, it is absolutely true that the person born in the US, even of alien parents does not owe allegiance to and is not subject to, per US law, any foreign power.
Are you clear on that matter now?
<quoted text>
He owes only a temporary allegiance - meaning obey our laws while you're here. Are you clear on it, now? You love to play on words, if that's what you're looking for then please move to the kiddie pool. BTW, are you wearing shorts, black socks and sandals?
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193734 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Show me where I have stated that I was an expert on Canadian Law! You can't
Now you can take your lying communist ass back to your bedroom and do whatever you like to do in there.
Show me where I said that you said you were an expert on anything.

You claimed that Canadian law had jurisdiction over aliens. You claim that US law does not. That kind of "expertise" is entertaining but as worthless as everything else in your fantasy

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#193735 Jun 17, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! All you have to do is read the preamble, it tells you who is subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution. Who are "We the People", it sure isn't the aliens, they are subjects of their country of origin. This is why we make treaties, one can't have jurisdiction over something that he doesn't own.
If the drafters of the Constitution only wanted citizens to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution they would have written WE THE CITIZENS instead of WE THE PEOPLE.

Please explain why the drafters of the civil right amendments to the constitution written the words "RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE" instead of RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS" in the First, Second,
Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Tenth?

Pleas explain why US Supreme Court has held that aliens are PERSONS and are entited to the protection of these amendments? Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886); Wong Wing v. U.S. 163 U.S. 228,238 (1896) ; Shaughnessy v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953);
Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976). Pyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 211 (1982)

As for your legal analysis that jurisdiction only applies to something that is owned, then you assumed that people are owned by the government.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193736 Jun 17, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
You have enlighten us by stating the reason that an alien ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the United States because an alien can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job. I replied that by applying your legal analysis a minor ISN'T SUBJECT TO THE JURISDCTION of the United States because a minor can't vote, be drafted or hold a federal job.
No, the reason why an alien isn't subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (Constitution), is because he isn't a citizen. To say an alien is subject to the jurisdiction of the constitution would be giving him citizenship without the naturalization process.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193737 Jun 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me where I said that you said you were an expert on anything.
You claimed that Canadian law had jurisdiction over aliens. You claim that US law does not. That kind of "expertise" is entertaining but as worthless as everything else in your fantasy
Learn to Read wrote:

<quoted text>
This from the expert on Canadian law ... Poor pathetic Dufus - whenever your fable falls apart all you can do is punt .

AND???
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193738 Jun 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
A US citizen is only under US jurisdiction while here also. While in France, you are under French jurisdiction. However, the jurisdiction of the US over the US domain is not temporary.
Thus the term, "temporary jurisdiction" does not distinguish an alien from a citizen. LRS is going in circles.
<quoted text>
It doesn't in your small mind, that's for sure. Kiddie pool ------->

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