BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 216417 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193640 Jun 16, 2014
Batboy, did you ever figure out that the "throttle body" is NOT your right hand? LMAO!!!!!!!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#193641 Jun 16, 2014
LRS wrote:
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Yes, it is. All that says is obey our laws while you're here. Temporary jurisdiction.
I agree, temporary jurisdiction, but all-encompassing and, during that temporary period, no jurisdiction from the visitor's/alien's country. None.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193642 Jun 16, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
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Señor Ted - Canadian citizen by birth. Play law couldn't save him
LMAO!!! You are correct!!!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193643 Jun 16, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Saying that Obama is a Kenyan citizen because an honoured Kenya gave him outright and unsolicited citizenship does not make him Kenyan any more than Castro's unsolicited endorsement of Obama in the last election means Obama is in bed with Castro.
Jus sanguinis brings conditions with it. Once born, the child has to be registered with the foreign parents' embassy or consulate, otherwise no go. There is no record of Obama's parents or Obama himself having registered with either the Kenyan embassy/consulate (there never was no Kenyan rep in Honolulu, still isn't to this day) or in Nairobi. Not that it matters, even if they had, which they did not. Obama is 100% red-blooded American.
LM<AO!!! If Obama's father had been Cuban, he would have a Cuban citizenship.
Obama didn't have to register, the Kenyan constitution amendment in 1963 took care of that.
Don't be stupid.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193644 Jun 16, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Just like his twin Play Justice pal Dale is trying to deny being caught in the act of being an idiot. Embrace it Dale, it's you.
Dufus Dale:
“At this posting, I am producing 12 volts with an input of 4 volts. I am also producing 36 volts from the same 4 volts. This is on a small scale, but it has potential. With a little funding I will have an auto that will never need fueling and can put energy back into the grid.”
Dale is confused about voltage, which is not a measure of power.And if he were generating electricity from a solar cell, he wouldn't be relying on an input voltage.
Deny it all you want Dufus, it won't fly. U R busted.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Sorry you can't grasp the idea of a solar panel that doesn't need sunlight.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193645 Jun 16, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Nonsense Dale himself said the citizenship clause stems from the Law of Nations.
However, his Play Law understanding of jurisdiction violates the principle as described by Vattel.
Play law doesn't fly.
Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.
The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”
Sorry little Dufus, every which way he turns, he crashes and burns.
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LMAO!!! "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", is nothing more than the US constitution, since it is the Law of the Land.

Oh, Vattel !!

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193646 Jun 16, 2014
wojar wrote:
Hey dufus, I plugged a voltage inverter into my 12V outlet so I would have 110V AC in my car.
110V from 12V. I got it from Radio shack.
Hahahahahahahaha!
Dufus Dale:
“At this posting, I am producing 12 volts with an input of 4 volts. I am also producing 36 volts from the same 4 volts. This is on a small scale, but it has potential. With a little funding I will have an auto that will never need fueling and can put energy back into the grid.”
LMAO!!! Congratulations!! What was the max watt output?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193647 Jun 16, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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A foreign nation that bestows citizenship to children born to its subjects or citizens outstide its boundaries DOESN'T automatically gives that foreign nation jurisdiction over the child UNLESS that child resides in that foreign nation.
In other words, the power to grant citizenship doesn't include the power of jurisdiction unless the person receiving citizenship is within the jurisdiction of that nation.
Courts have been very clear on this subject.
"Without entering upon this subject (which properly belongs to a general treatise upon public law), it may be truly said that no nation is bound to respect the laws of another nation made in regard to the SUBJECTS OF THE LATTER WHICH ARE NONRESIDENTS. The obligatory force of such laws of any nation cannot extend beyond its own territories.••• Whatever may be the intrinsic or obligatory force of such laws upon such persons, if they should return to their native country, they can have none in other nations wherein they reside. Such laws may give rise to personal relations between the sovereign and subjects, to be enforced in his own domains; but they do not rightfully extend to other nations.” Rundell v. La Campagnie Generale Transatlantique, 100 Fed. 655, 660 (7th Cir. 1900)(quoting Justice Story, Commentaries of the Conflict of Laws (section 22)(1834)(emphasis added)
LMAO!!! So, persons born of US fathers in a foreign country do not receive US citizenship.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193648 Jun 16, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Citizens and aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States while they are within the physical boundaries of the United States.
Jurisdiction and citizenship are two distinct legal concepts. A citizen and an alien are subject to the laws of the United States while they are within the physical boundaries of the United States.
The US Supreme Court has held numerous times that an alien has the same Constitutional rights as those of a US citizen.(Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886) "rights of every citizen of the United States equally with those of the strangers and aliens who now invoke the jurisdiction of the court.");(Pyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 211 (1982) Whatever his status under the immigration laws, an alien is surely a "person" in any ordinary sense of that term. Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as "persons" guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.)
Since the US Supreme Court has held that an alien is a "person" with the same Constitutional rights as a US citizen then why isn't the alien under the jurisdiction of the Constitution? Since if he weren't under the jurisdiction of the Constitution then he would not be protected by the same Constitutional rights as those of a US citizen.
The only time that an alien as not subject to the rights of the Constitution is if that alien was OUTSIDE THE boundaries of the United States.("There is likewise no indication that the Fourth Amendment was understood by contemporaries of the Framers to apply to activities of the United States directed against aliens in foreign territory or in international waters" United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 US 259, 267 (1990))
As such, as long as alien is within the boundaries of the United States he or she is afforded the same Constitutional protections as those of a US citizen.
LMAO!!! So, aliens can vote, have free run of the country, hold a Federal job and be drafted into the military service, if needed.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193649 Jun 16, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
From you : "Citizens and aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States while they are within the physical boundaries of the United States."
This is so simple, and so logical. How can anyone disagree with that?
LMAO!!! No dummy, aliens are controlled by treaties, if they were subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (Constitution), they would be citizens.
Next time you are down here, try to vote with your Canadian Passport.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193650 Jun 16, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, temporary jurisdiction, but all-encompassing and, during that temporary period, no jurisdiction from the visitor's/alien's country. None.
It is not "all-encompassing", that would make them a citizen. The visitor is still a subject of his homeland, while he's here. That's where his allegiance is. Plain and simple.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193651 Jun 16, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not "all-encompassing", that would make them a citizen. The visitor is still a subject of his homeland, while he's here. That's where his allegiance is. Plain and simple.
If aliens were subject to our jurisdiction, we wouldn't have to make treaties with their countries.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#193652 Jun 16, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Sorry you can't grasp the idea of a solar panel that doesn't need sunlight.
Kind of like the inventor who doesn't have a brain.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Just like his twin Play Justice pal Dale is trying to deny being caught in the act of being an idiot. Embrace it Dale, it's you.
Dufus Dale:
“At this posting, I am producing 12 volts with an input of 4 volts. I am also producing 36 volts from the same 4 volts. This is on a small scale, but it has potential. With a little funding I will have an auto that will never need fueling and can put energy back into the grid.”
Dale is confused about voltage, which is not a measure of power.And if he were generating electricity from a solar cell, he wouldn't be relying on an input voltage.
Deny it all you want Dufus, it won't fly. U R busted.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#193653 Jun 16, 2014
Miller time!!!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193654 Jun 16, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You are correct!!!
And yet neither of Ted's parents were Canadian. Dufus Dale abandons play law!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#193655 Jun 16, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LM<AO!!! If Obama's father had been Cuban, he would have a Cuban citizenship.
Obama didn't have to register, the Kenyan constitution amendment in 1963 took care of that.
Don't be stupid.
A Constitution amendment after he was born controlled his citizenship at birth? Play law AND time travel! A true double fantasy
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#193656 Jun 16, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Kind of like the inventor who doesn't have a brain.
<quoted text>
"Elite Scientist from 80s...AHahahahaha"!(Old Indian saying.)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#193657 Jun 16, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! So, persons born of US fathers in a foreign country do not receive US citizenship.
Dufus does the LMAO dance while Atticus' explanation flies over his feeble head.
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
A foreign nation that bestows citizenship to children born to its subjects or citizens outstide its boundaries DOESN'T automatically gives that foreign nation jurisdiction over the child UNLESS that child resides in that foreign nation.
In other words, the power to grant citizenship doesn't include the power of jurisdiction unless the person receiving citizenship is within the jurisdiction of that nation.
Courts have been very clear on this subject.
"Without entering upon this subject (which properly belongs to a general treatise upon public law), it may be truly said that no nation is bound to respect the laws of another nation made in regard to the SUBJECTS OF THE LATTER WHICH ARE NONRESIDENTS. The obligatory force of such laws of any nation cannot extend beyond its own territories.••• Whatever may be the intrinsic or obligatory force of such laws upon such persons, if they should return to their native country, they can have none in other nations wherein they reside. Such laws may give rise to personal relations between the sovereign and subjects, to be enforced in his own domains; but they do not rightfully extend to other nations.” Rundell v. La Campagnie Generale Transatlantique, 100 Fed. 655, 660 (7th Cir. 1900)(quoting Justice Story, Commentaries of the Conflict of Laws (section 22)(1834)(emphasis added)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#193658 Jun 16, 2014
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not "all-encompassing", that would make them a citizen. The visitor is still a subject of his homeland, while he's here. That's where his allegiance is. Plain and simple.
Being a subject of his homeland does not make an alien not subject to the jurisdiction of his host country. Birfoon boy is confused between usage of the term "subject", which is a noun in the former instance, but not in the latter. Birfoons do not understand English.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#193659 Jun 16, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text> If aliens were subject to our jurisdiction, we wouldn't have to make treaties with their countries.
The US does not depend upon any treaty to enjoy the right of jurisdiction over everything within its domain.

The concept was explained quite nicely by E. de Vattel.

Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.

The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”

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