BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Read more

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#188939 Apr 18, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama couldn't pass a security clearance to be a private in any military service.
Yet he’s the Commander in Chief Frank.

Now why would the Commander in Chief want to be a private with a security clearance?

Birfoon’s say the silliest things Frank.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#188940 Apr 18, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Valerie Jarrett is the daughter of Frank Davis Marshall's friend and co-anti-American Communist of Chicago.
I would have went with Susan Rice Frank. Her picture is right next to Davis. Jezzzz!
https://tinyurl.com/lvom8wo

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#188941 Apr 19, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
But is Janet Winter one of the numerous liberal progressive FoxNews.com commentators?
Oh, dear Rogue, please don't leave, the clown NEEDS his "Fou du Roy"
Don't know her, but she's certainly no Rachel Maddow. Take a look.
https://tinyurl.com/k8ngt6s

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188942 Apr 19, 2014
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't know her, but she's certainly no Rachel Maddow. Take a look.
https://tinyurl.com/k8ngt6s
Wondered what ever happened to Meadow Soprano.

:)

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188943 Apr 19, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>A remarkable demonstration showing Dufus Dale did not comprehend a single sentence of Atticus's post. Amazing. Does Dale ask for a toy with his happy meal?
By now... do they have to wait for him to ask?
wojar

Bristol, CT

#188944 Apr 19, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>That sounds like a statement made by Liberals who believe that there are over three trillion people all over the World that are De facto United States citizens. Did you claim that any child born any where in the World is a United States citizen? Is Kim Ju-ae a United States citizen?
If Frank read the context of the comment, it concerned children born of citizens who are natural born citizens in the country of birth and naturalized citizens in the country of the parents. I shouldn't need to explain that except birfoons don't generally understand context.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188945 Apr 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
WE were talking about things that are man-made and NOT man-made. Stop blaming things on Mankind he had nothing to do with.
There never was any man-made Global Warming. On the global scale we are insignificant. Libtards see something knew and automatically they know it is bad and caused by evil man-kind.
Case in point is the Ozone Holes over our North and South Poles. They were discovered in the late 1970s and immediately the Libtards blamed mankind. If that was the case, why is the Ozone Hole over the South Pole larger than the one over the North Pole (st their peak)?
Think about than just a little. 90% of all humans live north of the Equator, 90% of the Industries, 90% of the coal powered plants, etc. You would think the larger hole would be over the North Pole but you would be wrongeau!!! As about everything you think about is wrongeau as your logic and facts are flawed
Holy crap... really Rogue?

Why would anyone think that you should find a bigger Ozone hole at the North Pole? Are you aware that "North" and "up" are mutually exclusive? That is the dumbest thing I have heard all week... and I watched a Ray Comfort video two days ago. The north pole is not the "ceiling". It is a magnetic marker.

First, Ozone has it's own cycles. And back then, republicans were on the save the world bandwagon... big oil didn't own them till the 80s. It was republicans screaming about acid rain and critical mass... Jimmy Carter was destroying the Earth.... remember that?....No?

Ever been to Phoenix Rogue?... How about ANY industrialized city in the world? They pump out enough pollution DAILY to obscure the sky. If you think that stuff just blows away and disappears... you are mistaken. Now compound that by every industrial city in the world.

When you look at the world, the devil is in the details. A few parts per million of oxygen is all simple organisms needed to produce more complex life... more fuel, more energy, more options.

Facts... by definition, can not be flawed. So maybe examine your own brand of "logic". That is, if you have a defined brand, it is certainly not clear. Logic, and "whatever conforms to what I already convinced myself of." are also mutually exclusive.

We have been the dominate species on Earth for maybe the last 10,000 years. We have literally transformed a good deal of the surface. We have been responsible for the extinction and serious endangerment of entire species of life. If you don't think we can pull off a few parts per million... you are dumber than you look.(Even in print.) For evidence of human impact on a global scale, just take a look at the new Texas we built in the Pacific out of garbage..

Here is a list of things that people didn't fully understand until science was able to give us the actual answers for...

1. Everything.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#188946 Apr 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Every document expert who are seen the "internet" copies have said the are forgeries, Dr. Fuddy has NEVER said that the internet copies are authentic but has only said the internet copies' "information" is correct which is not the same thing.
Why has Obama NEVER allowed to actually see and handle those document? Don't tell me he has as the only people he has allowed to see and hold them are loony-lefties and you can not prove it!!!

Then you should have no problem listing the Independent document expert who have been allowed to examine the copies Obama has placed on the internet!!! Come on now, that should be real easy!!! But just in case you can not, I accept your apology in advance!!!
I do not expect you to reply as you never do with anything other than a troll remark.
Can you tell us why any document "expert" would pretend that they can examine a scanned image? Or why a pathetic fool would believe such an obvious load of crap. Or why -since the facts have been verified - there is any reason to "examine" the document - or for anyone to "forge" an exact copy of the actual document?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188947 Apr 19, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama couldn't pass a security clearance to be a private in any military service.
Why? Give ONE reason. On the other hand , how about our valued comrades, like Rogue and American traitor lady who sing the praises of Putin and Pravda every chance they get?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#188948 Apr 19, 2014
That's right, Scrutiny.
I think the aviation industry is one of the biggest all-time polluters on the planet
Everytime I look at the sky I see visible scars left on the atmosphere from jet pollution that stretrches from horizon to horizon in every direction imaginable. Just to shuffle a bunch of low-lifes around.
Jets are like a choreographed lumbering swarm of giant gnats.
Giant gnats is what I say, Jacques Giant gnats.
I will never fly in one of those death tubes ever again.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#188949 Apr 19, 2014
Jacques,
Because of the blanket of pollution being spread all over the world by extensive jet travel it is in the long term best interest of the human genome to get out of the sky and alter the way they move about the planet.
Facts are fun.
loose

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#188950 Apr 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Dis you know until the past eight years diesel trucks did not produce carbon monoxide? But know they do because of afterburner particulate traps required by the EPA!!!
Yep, diesel vehicles contributed less than 0.1% of the micro-carbon particulate pollution and we are spending over $2 Billion each year to fix this "problem" only to cause a problem with carbon-monoxide that did not exist!!! Way to go EPA!!!
The EPA is running out of things to fix and way to many new fixes by the EPA actually actually cause more problems and poor money down the drain. Sad, very sad.
Nonsense.

"In the Puget Sound area, diesel particulate matter (DPM) accounts for
most of the potential cancer risk from all air toxics."
http://www.pscleanair.org/airq/basics/Air%20T...
http://tinyurl.com/p6roy3c

"Retrofitting America’s diesel fleet could avoid approximately 91,000 additional premature deaths beyond EPA’s diesel engine rules between 2005 and 2030."
http://www.catf.us/resources/whitepapers/file...
http://tinyurl.com/7fvtbx4

"RECENT AIR TOXICS STUDIES CONFIRM DIESEL EMISSIONS POSE A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT "

"Using a detailed emissions inventory, the SCAQMD found that mobile sources (e.g., cars, trucks, trains, ships, aircraft, etc.) represent the greatest contributor to estimated cancer risks. About 70% of all risk is attributed to diesel particulate emissions; and about 20% to other toxics associated with mobile sources"

http://scorecard.goodguide.com/env-releases/d...
http://tinyurl.com/ocvb2vj
TrutherBirther

Waukesha, WI

#188951 Apr 19, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
United States is not governed by foreign nationality laws. A foreign nation law that bestows citizenship of those children born to its citizens or subjects outside its territorial jurisdiction doesn't strip a child born in the United States of his or natural born citizenship birthright.
In other words, The United States doesn't share its jurisdiction of its citizens with another nation within the boundaries of the United States. It would be travesty of justice to allow foreign nation laws to dictate the citizenship status of children born in the United States.
Even if Bath-house Barry had been born on U.S. soil he would not meet the requirements to be a "natural-born" citizen as his alleged father wasn't American and his mother was underage. Too bad, so sad but BHO was born a Brit in Kenya before his Indonesian adoption. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this man-of-lawlessness is using a stolen Social Security number.
TrutherBirther

Waukesha, WI

#188952 Apr 19, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The US government can not strip a foreign citizenship, unless request by the holder.
Yep, Obama was born a citizen of his father's country, since his father wasn't a citizen of the US.
Absolutely correct. See the British Nationality Act of 1948 stating that ALL children "born to a British Subject anywhere in the world are automatically a Subject of the British Crown" and the 1952 US Code which required Obama's porn-star mother to be 19YO just for her offspring to have any claim to citizenship if the father is a foreigner. The U.S. doesn't recognize dual-citizenship with any other country that doesn't recognize dual-citizenship.
FYI-to be a "natural-born" citizen requires birth on U.S. soil to parents who are BOTH Americans.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#188953 Apr 19, 2014
TrutherBirther wrote:
<quoted text>Even if Bath-house Barry had been born on U.S. soil he would not meet the requirements to be a "natural-born" citizen as his alleged father wasn't American and his mother was underage. Too bad, so sad but BHO was born a Brit in Kenya before his Indonesian adoption. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this man-of-lawlessness is using a stolen Social Security number.
Your fables are as useless as you

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#188954 Apr 19, 2014
TrutherBirther wrote:
<quoted text>Even if Bath-house Barry had been born on U.S. soil he would not meet the requirements to be a "natural-born" citizen as his alleged father wasn't American and his mother was underage. Too bad, so sad but BHO was born a Brit in Kenya before his Indonesian adoption. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this man-of-lawlessness is using a stolen Social Security number.
So many factual errors so little time. Where to began.

First, the age of his mother has nothing to do with a CHILD BORN IN THE UNITED STATES. The age of the mother only applies to those children BORN OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
The statutue governing citizenship of children born to a mother who is United States citizen is 8 U.S.C. 1401 which provides in relevant part:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

Secondly, the citizenship status of his father is irrelevant since the mere fact of being born in the United States is legally sufficient to bestow natural born citizenship status to Obama.
Courts have recognized children born of aliens parents in the United States as being citizens of the United States in the early years of our republic long before the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868. Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor’s Snug Harbor, 28 U. S. 99, 164 (1830)(Story, J., concurring and dissenting)(" Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are SUBJECTS BY BIRTH.").

Thirdly, There is not one iota of ADMISSIBLE EVIDENCE that Obama was born in Kenya.
What has been proffered as "evidence" are either amateur fakes (Lucas Smith's Birth Certificate) or hearsay of people who have NO PERSONAL ACKNOWLEDGE.

Fourthly, foreign adoption of a child who is a United States citizen doesn't strip that child's U.S. citizenship. Even assuming that Obama did in fact became an Indonesian citizen as a minor, he would not lose his United States citizenship under 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3. Section 349 (a), states:

"From and after the effective date of this Act a person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by --

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday:...."

As you can see here, anything Stanley Ann Dunham or Lolo Soetoro could have done to renounce Barack Obama's US citizenship simply would not have worked in the eyes of US law. Barack Obama himself would have had to do so after his 21st birthday, or after his 25th had he not returned to the United States by then and established a permanent residence.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#188955 Apr 19, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy crap... really Rogue?
Why would anyone think that you should find a bigger Ozone hole at the North Pole? Are you aware that "North" and "up" are mutually exclusive? That is the dumbest thing I have heard all week... and I watched a Ray Comfort video two days ago. The north pole is not the "ceiling". It is a magnetic marker.
First, Ozone has it's own cycles. And back then, republicans were on the save the world bandwagon... big oil didn't own them till the 80s. It was republicans screaming about acid rain and critical mass... Jimmy Carter was destroying the Earth.... remember that?....No?
Ever been to Phoenix Rogue?... How about ANY industrialized city in the world? They pump out enough pollution DAILY to obscure the sky. If you think that stuff just blows away and disappears... you are mistaken. Now compound that by every industrial city in the world.
When you look at the world, the devil is in the details. A few parts per million of oxygen is all simple organisms needed to produce more complex life... more fuel, more energy, more options.
Facts... by definition, can not be flawed. So maybe examine your own brand of "logic". That is, if you have a defined brand, it is certainly not clear. Logic, and "whatever conforms to what I already convinced myself of." are also mutually exclusive.
We have been the dominate species on Earth for maybe the last 10,000 years. We have literally transformed a good deal of the surface. We have been responsible for the extinction and serious endangerment of entire species of life. If you don't think we can pull off a few parts per million... you are dumber than you look.(Even in print.) For evidence of human impact on a global scale, just take a look at the new Texas we built in the Pacific out of garbage..
Here is a list of things that people didn't fully understand until science was able to give us the actual answers for...
1. Everything.
You would expect the arctic ozone hole to be bigger because of the emissions from Santa's toy factory.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188956 Apr 19, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>You would expect the arctic ozone hole to be bigger because of the emissions from Santa's toy factory.
Guffaws, rolling in the proverbial aisles, HA HA

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188958 Apr 19, 2014
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Really Rogue, is that your recollection? Authenticating the copy of the original and pointing to where you can view it is not the same as what?
"I have witnessed the copying of the certificate and attest to the authenticity of these copies."
"We hope that issuing you these (copies of your original Certificate of Live Birth) will end the numerous inquiries received by the Hawaii Department of Health to produce this documents. Such inquiries have been disruptive to staff operations and have strained State resources,"
Loretta Fuddy
And you have a link that proves that she said that? If so, you should have no problem posting it!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188959 Apr 19, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
United States courts have long recognized that a child born in the United States to foreign nationals has no foreign allegiance or "foreign attachments" of those of his or her parents.
" At common law, a native is a person born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of a country, irrespective of the allegiance of his parents, except the child of an ambassador. Ex parte Palo, 3 F. 2d 44, 45 (W.D. Wa 1925)(internal citation omitted).“[I]t has consistently been held judicially that one born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is, from birth, a citizen of the United States; that such citizenship does not depend upon like citizenship of his or her parents, or of either of them (except in the case of the children of ambassadors etc.). United States v. Richmond, 274 F. Supp. 43, 56 (CD Ca 1967). See also Von Schwerdtner v. Piper, 23 F. 2d 862 (D. MD 1928)(child born in the United States to German nationals). "A person who is born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, becomes an American citizen not by gift of Congress but by force of the Constitution. U.S.C.A., Constitutional Amendment 14, Section 1." In re Gogal, 75 F. Supp. 268, 271 (WD Pa 1947)
Justice Taft writing for the court in Weedin v. Chin Bow, 274 US 657 (1927) observed:
"The majority in that case [Wong Kim Ark], as already said, held that the fundamental principle of the common law with regard to nationality was birth within the allegiance of the Government and that one born in the United States, although of a race and of a parentage denied naturalization under the law, was nevertheless under the language of the Fourteenth Amendment a citizen of the United States by virtue of the jus soli embodied in the Amendment." Id at 670
Then why did we, and Canada, intern Japanese=Americans during WWII? The USSC upheld their internment!!!
Oh, isn't the USSC the highest court in the land that can over rull ANY lower court making it the ultimate court?!

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