BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188850 Apr 17, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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When a foreign nation bestows citizenship to those children born to its citizens or subjects outside of its borders it doesn't create duel allegiance to those children.
Unlike hair color or eye color, a child doesn't inherit a parent's allegiance at birth. Dual citizenship doesn't equal dual allegiance.
James Madison wrote "Thus a person born in the United States acquired allegiance at the moment of birth, as the following statements of our founding fathers and their contemporaries observed: It is an established maxim THAT BIRTH IS A CRITERION OF ALLEGIANCE. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.” James Madison, The Founders’ Constitution Volume 2, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2, Document 6 (1789)(emphasis added)
To have a "dual allegiance " at birth a child must be under the jurisdiction and control of TWO sovereignties at birth in the United States which is a legal impossibility since the United States doesn't share its jurisdiction of its citizens with another country.
“[I]t has consistently been held judicially that one born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is, from birth, a citizen of the United States; that such citizenship does not depend upon like citizenship of his or her parents, or of either of them (except in the case of the children of ambassadors etc.). United States v. Richmond, 274 F. Supp. 43, 56 (CD Ca 1967). See also Von Schwerdtner v. Piper, 23 F. 2d 862 (D. MD 1928)(child born in the United States to German nationals)
"A person who is born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, becomes an American citizen not by gift of Congress but by force of the Constitution. U.S.C.A., Constitutional Amendment 14, Section 1." In re Gogal, 75 F. Supp. 268, 271 (WD Pa 1947)
As such, a child born in the United States doesn't have "questionable allegiance" since the allegiance of parents whatever their situation is irrelevant in determining the citizenship status of the child.“ At common law, a native is a person born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of a country, irrespective of the allegiance of his parents, except the child of an ambassador. Ex parte Palo, 3 F. 2d 44, 45 (W.D. Wa 1925)(internal citation omitted)
Justice Dale? Isn't that an oxymoron?
Sorry the Bancroft Treaties were unenforceable! Yes, all persons born in the US owe their father's country as much allegiance as do their father, since they are citizen of that country.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#188851 Apr 17, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry the Bancroft Treaties were unenforceable! Yes, all persons born in the US owe their father's country as much allegiance as do their father, since they are citizen of that country.
Stupid moron doesn't seem to comprehend that the Bancroft Treaties had nothing to do with natural born citizens. Bancroft Treaties were concerned with naturalization. Play Justice is masturbating in public.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188852 Apr 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid moron doesn't seem to comprehend that the Bancroft Treaties had nothing to do with natural born citizens. Bancroft Treaties were concerned with naturalization. Play Justice is masturbating in public.
STFU dumbass, Obama is a dual-citizen, which means his citizenship is no better than a naturalized citizen, since his allegiance is questionable.

US State Dept. on dual citizens

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there. Most U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. nationality. Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose nationality.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188853 Apr 17, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid moron doesn't seem to comprehend that the Bancroft Treaties had nothing to do with natural born citizens. Bancroft Treaties were concerned with naturalization. Play Justice is masturbating in public.
Dumbass, how could Obama be a natural born citizen? A NBC isn't subject to any foreign power and we all know he was born a citizen of his father's country.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#188854 Apr 17, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
If you looked at the attachment it did not verify the "document" but the "information" which is not the same thing! Also there was no Kapiolani Maternity And Gynecological Hospital in 1961. It was know in 1961 as Kapi‘olani Maternity Home until 1978.
We have still never seen a copy of the ORIGINAL documents. The documents released by Obama are all computer generated copies.
Try engaging in the right side of your brain every now and then.
Then suppose the Nordyke Twins BC’s were faked as well since they were born at the same hospital that wasn’t there in 61.
https://tinyurl.com/95a5uj7

If the birfoon ever had a brain it certainly relies more on fancy than fact.

Both verifications state facts related to Barack Obama’s actual birth document which they say they have on file.

Those facts state that one Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu Hawaii at Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and they have the original BC to prove it.

Of course it means you’ve seen a copy of the original. If you’ve seen your own BC all you’ve seen is a copy of the original.

Again you rely on your imagination when facts are readily available. It was actually Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital from 1931 til 1971.
https://tinyurl.com/naw9w5j

Keep dreaming the impossible dream Rogue, but know that each and every day you awake the real world will be right there to slap you right back to reality.
melb

Fremont, CA

#188855 Apr 17, 2014
yep

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#188856 Apr 17, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes. The Little League fable. Even for Birfistan that was the height of lunacy (well that and Skidmark's tales of glory from Cal-State Davis)
And they kept repeating the fable long after it was obvious the state only issued short form BC’s. The assumption I suppose was that no one from the state of Hawaii could get a passport, join the little league or get SS.

The birfoon has always been nuts and Rogue has the nerve to ask others to use their brain when all his brain does is imagine impossible Obama birth scenarios instead of dealing with certified facts.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#188857 Apr 17, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
"Power of God"?
Then explain the existence of evil.
The existence of evil is a terrible stumbling block for the Christian. Pain, misery, crime, poverty confront the advocate of eternal goodness, and challenge with unanswerable potency his declaration of an all-good, all-wise and all-powerful Deity. Evil is either caused by God or it exists independently; but it cannot be caused by God, as in that case he would not be all-good; nor can it exist hostilely, as in that case he would not be all-powerful. If all-good he would desire to annihilate evil, and continued evil contradicts either God's desire, or God's ability, to prevent it.
Evil must either have had a beginning or it must have been eternal, but according to the Christian, it cannot be eternal, because God alone is eternal. Nor can it have had a beginning, for if it had it must either have originated in God, or outside God; but according to the Christian, it cannot have originated in God, for he is all-good, and out of all goodness evil cannot originate; nor can evil have originated outside God, for, according to the Christian, God is infinite, and it is impossible to go outside of or beyond infinity…
Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot,
or he can but does not want to,
or he cannot and does not want to,
or lastly he can and wants to.
If he wants to remove evil, and cannot,
he is not omnipotent;
If he can, but does not want to,
he is not benevolent;
If he neither can nor wants to,
he is neither omnipotent nor benevolent;
But if God can abolish evil and wants to,
how does evil exist?
I suppose the mental gods have about as much power as the mind is willing to give them. Rogue says you underestimate the power of his mental myth. I sure don’t.

“impeach now replace later”

Since: Sep 09

Dump Trump now

#188858 Apr 17, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry the Bancroft Treaties were unenforceable! Yes, all persons born in the US owe their father's country as much allegiance as do their father, since they are citizen of that country.
A foreign nation has no legal right to enforce its laws regarding its citizens residing in another country. Thus, a child born in the United States owes no allegiance to his or her parents home country since the foreign nation's laws aren''t enforceable in the United States.


Courts have long recognized that foreign nations can't extend their jurisdiction over its citizens or subjects beyond their territorial boundaries. "The laws of no nation can justly extend beyond its own territories, except so far as regards its own citizens. They can have no force to control the sovereignty or rights of any other nation, within its own jurisdiction. THE APOLLON., 22 US 362, 370 (1824). Similarly "`no sovereignty can extend its process beyond its own territorial limits, to subject other persons or property to its judicial decisions. Every exertion of authority beyond these limits is a mere nullity, and incapable of binding such persons or property in other tribunals;'" Grover & Baker Sewing Machine Co. v. Radcliffe 137 U.S. 287, 296 (1890)

If there is no protection by the foreign nation then there is no allegiance to that foreign nation.
" He owes it allegiance and is entitled to its protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other; allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162,166 (1875)

Thus a child born in the United States to foreign nationals owes no allegiance to a foreign nation since that foreign nation's laws are not enforceable in the United States.

“impeach now replace later”

Since: Sep 09

Dump Trump now

#188859 Apr 17, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Dumbass, how could Obama be a natural born citizen? A NBC isn't subject to any foreign power and we all know he was born a citizen of his father's country.
Obama was not and is not subject to any foreign power. British or Kenyan laws do not apply to children born to their citizens or subjects in the United States.

Courts have long recognized that foreign nations laws do not extend beyond their territorial boundaries. "The laws of no nation can justly extend beyond its own territories, except so far as regards its own citizens. They can have no force to control the sovereignty or rights of any other nation, within its own jurisdiction. THE APOLLON., 22 US 362, 370 (1824)

"`No sovereignty can extend its process beyond its own territorial limits, to subject other persons or property to its judicial decisions. Every exertion of authority beyond these limits is a mere nullity, and incapable of binding such persons or property in other tribunals;'" Grover & Baker Sewing Machine Co. v. Radcliffe 137 U.S. 287, 296 (1890)

Thus at no time has Obama been subjected to the laws of England or Kenya.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188860 Apr 17, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
You always underestimate the power of God. He did not create everything just six odd billion years ago, he has been doing this beyond time. His universe is not finite by infinite and there are countless numbers of stars, solar system and Earth like planets.
And there are endless numbers of planets with intelligent beings who are in the image of God as he would like them to see him as. No, I don't think we will make contact with them but I am convinced they are out there and have been from beyond time as God is constantly reinventing the Universe.
Oh yea Libtards of little brain who think they are more powerful than anything else in His Universe.
I have a few issues... go figure...

You may not claim that god exists outside of time. It is logical fallacy.

Space and time are interwoven, just as electricity and magnetism are, you don't have one without the other.

Name a process that may occur without time.

Existence itself is a process and requires a movement through time.
Perception and intervention operate the same way.

Regardless, it is a self defeating argument, as you lock yourself into infinite regression. If things require a creator, then something must have given rise to a creator, and something must have given rise to that which created a creator as well.

Either you are "begotten", or you're "not begotten". Saying he was "begotten not made", is meaningless. If you are "begotten", you are not eternal. Genitum is factum. It's a distinction, without a difference.

As a matter of fact Rouge, the creator of your god is specifically named in the Bible. He is referred to as "the most high". His name is Elyon. He is named in Genesis, and specifically in Abraham's oath to king Solomon.

Elyon was the creator. Yahwey (the god of Abraham) is referred to as "god of the Earth".
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188861 Apr 18, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
A foreign nation has no legal right to enforce its laws regarding its citizens residing in another country. Thus, a child born in the United States owes no allegiance to his or her parents home country since the foreign nation's laws aren''t enforceable in the United States.
Courts have long recognized that foreign nations can't extend their jurisdiction over its citizens or subjects beyond their territorial boundaries. "The laws of no nation can justly extend beyond its own territories, except so far as regards its own citizens. They can have no force to control the sovereignty or rights of any other nation, within its own jurisdiction. THE APOLLON., 22 US 362, 370 (1824). Similarly "`no sovereignty can extend its process beyond its own territorial limits, to subject other persons or property to its judicial decisions. Every exertion of authority beyond these limits is a mere nullity, and incapable of binding such persons or property in other tribunals;'" Grover & Baker Sewing Machine Co. v. Radcliffe 137 U.S. 287, 296 (1890)
If there is no protection by the foreign nation then there is no allegiance to that foreign nation.
" He owes it allegiance and is entitled to its protection. Allegiance and protection are, in this connection, reciprocal obligations. The one is a compensation for the other; allegiance for protection and protection for allegiance." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162,166 (1875)
Thus a child born in the United States to foreign nationals owes no allegiance to a foreign nation since that foreign nation's laws are not enforceable in the United States.
By your own admission, all children of US citizen born out side the limits of the US are citizens of the country they are born in and must be naturalized to be US citizens.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188862 Apr 18, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama was not and is not subject to any foreign power. British or Kenyan laws do not apply to children born to their citizens or subjects in the United States.
Courts have long recognized that foreign nations laws do not extend beyond their territorial boundaries. "The laws of no nation can justly extend beyond its own territories, except so far as regards its own citizens. They can have no force to control the sovereignty or rights of any other nation, within its own jurisdiction. THE APOLLON., 22 US 362, 370 (1824)
"`No sovereignty can extend its process beyond its own territorial limits, to subject other persons or property to its judicial decisions. Every exertion of authority beyond these limits is a mere nullity, and incapable of binding such persons or property in other tribunals;'" Grover & Baker Sewing Machine Co. v. Radcliffe 137 U.S. 287, 296 (1890)
Thus at no time has Obama been subjected to the laws of England or Kenya.
You tell that to the British Nationality Act of 1948, or the Kenyan Constitution of 1963, and while you are telling them that, you tell the US government that all of the children born out of limits of the US to US parents that their child must be naturalized to become a US citizen.
Do you really think the US is the only nation that has the ability to claim its citizens, you are barking up the wrong tree.
It is impossible to control dual-citizenship, unless one follows the intent of the 14th amendment.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188863 Apr 18, 2014
What ever a Natural Born Citizen is it must be something that doesn't have any foreign influence, questionable allegiance, foreign attachments and not subject to any foreign power, you can't say that about a Naturalized or Dual citizen.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#188864 Apr 18, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>You tell that to the British Nationality Act of 1948, or the Kenyan Constitution of 1963, and while you are telling them that, you tell the US government that all of the children born out of limits of the US to US parents that their child must be naturalized to become a US citizen.
Do you really think the US is the only nation that has the ability to claim its citizens, you are barking up the wrong tree.
It is impossible to control dual-citizenship, unless one follows the intent of the 14th amendment.
LMAO!!! Looks like I just killed your mockingbird.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#188866 Apr 18, 2014
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>And they kept repeating the fable long after it was obvious the state only issued short form BCÂ’s. The assumption I suppose was that no one from the state of Hawaii could get a passport, join the little league or get SS.

The birfoon has always been nuts and Rogue has the nerve to ask others to use their brain when all his brain does is imagine impossible Obama birth scenarios instead of dealing with certified facts.
Rouge tried a fact once but he didn't like it and sees no reason to try another

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188867 Apr 18, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Dumbass, how could Obama be a natural born citizen? A NBC isn't subject to any foreign power and we all know he was born a citizen of his father's country.
Then, wasn't Kissinger, a very influential inner circle presidential adviser/member, with much influence on U.S. foreign policy and, ergo, the president, be, in your own words "subject to any foreign power and we all know he was born a citizen of his father's country."

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188868 Apr 18, 2014
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>You tell that to the British Nationality Act of 1948, or the Kenyan Constitution of 1963, and while you are telling them that, you tell the US government that all of the children born out of limits of the US to US parents that their child must be naturalized to become a US citizen.
Do you really think the US is the only nation that has the ability to claim its citizens, you are barking up the wrong tree.
It is impossible to control dual-citizenship, unless one follows the intent of the 14th amendment.
Er, aww, hmm, "Justice" ha ha, Dale, Obama was born in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IT DOESN'T MATTER.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188869 Apr 18, 2014
What the Associated Press does NOT tell you is that 100% of the mercury in these fish comes from NON-made-made sources. In fact about 90% of mercury contamination has nothing to do with man-kind.
Oh, they do mention mercury contamination form fossil-fuel use and production and use but fail to mention contamination from dentist who dump filling material down the drain, from florescent and mercury vapor lights that are improperly disposed of, from the improper disposal of batteries containing mercury (not including lead batteries) among other things.
The Liberal press constantly attacks fossil fuel sources while down play the 98% of the contamination from OTHER souses. WHY? Because they are Libtard BIGOTS!!!

Fish found with mercury in remote Western regions
Associated Press
By SCOTT SMITH 18 hours ago

FRESNO, Calif.(AP)— Federal scientists have found high amounts of mercury in fish caught in remote areas of national parks in the West and Alaska, according to a study released Thursday.

Researchers for the U.S. Geological Survey and National Park Service said that most fish they caught had acceptable levels of mercury, but 4 percent exceeded healthy levels.

Mercury occurs naturally, but scientists say its presence in national parks, which are supposed to leave wildlife unimpaired for future generations, was cause for concern.

http://news.yahoo.com/fish-found-mercury-remo...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188870 Apr 18, 2014
Dis you know until the past eight years diesel trucks did not produce carbon monoxide? But know they do because of afterburner particulate traps required by the EPA!!!
Yep, diesel vehicles contributed less than 0.1% of the micro-carbon particulate pollution and we are spending over $2 Billion each year to fix this "problem" only to cause a problem with carbon-monoxide that did not exist!!! Way to go EPA!!!
The EPA is running out of things to fix and way to many new fixes by the EPA actually actually cause more problems and poor money down the drain. Sad, very sad.

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