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Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188546 Apr 14, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
er, Link, this is becoming too complicated for Adam's and his birther clan.
You see, you post Libby's testimony, that says Bush authorised it, he blames it on an underling, like orders from the top don't matter and Bush is not responsible for Armitage leaking it. Don't forget, guys like Bush, Armitage, Libby, Adam, Rogue, are all patriots and there is no clause in the Constitution that they would not violate to prove it.
They all live in the Rightwing bubble.

Could you imagine if a multitude of CIA, FBI, and Generals came out publicly against Obama like they did against Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld?

LOL

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Generals Speak Out Against Rumsfeld
DoD Determines US Foreign Policy, PERIOD!!! Congress is SUPERFLUOUS!!! The only thing to FEAR, is NOT ENOUGH FEAR.

"We went to war with a flawed plan that didn't account for the hard work to build the peace after we took down the regime. We also served under a secretary of defense who didn't understand leadership, who was abusive, who was arrogant, who didn't build a strong team."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Batiste.

"My sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions -- or bury the results."
-- Retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.

"They only need the military advice when it satisfies their agenda. I think that's a mistake, and that's why I think he should resign."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Riggs.

"We grow up in a culture where accountability, learning to accept responsibility, admitting mistakes and learning from them was critical to us. When we don't see that happening it worries us. Poor military judgment has been used throughout this mission."
-- Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former chief of U.S. Central Command.

"I really believe that we need a new secretary of defense because Secretary Rumsfeld carries way too much baggage with him.... I think we need senior military leaders who understand the principles of war and apply them ruthlessly, and when the time comes, they need to call it like it is."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack.

"He has shown himself incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically, and is far more than anyone responsible for what has happened to our important mission in Iraq.... Mr. Rumsfeld must step down."
-- Retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton.


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The Night of the Generals
April 2007 / http://tinyurl.com/yllqfpr
The six retired generals who stepped forward last spring to publicly attack Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's handling of the Iraq war had to overcome a culture of reticence based on civilian control of the military. But while each man acted separately, all shared one experience: a growing outrage over the administration's incompetence, leading some of the nation's finest soldiers to risk their reputations and cross a time-honored line.

Lieutenant General Greg Newbold, former director of operations on the Joint Chiefs of Staff; retired from the Marines with three stars in 2002.

Major General Paul Eaton, West Point graduate; oversaw the creation of the new Iraqi Army until 2004. Retired with two stars in 2006

Major General John Batiste, former commander of the First Infantry Division; retired with two stars in November 2005.

Major General John Riggs, Vietnam veteran; headed army's Objective Force Task Force. Retired in April 2004 after losing one of his three stars

Major General Charles Swannack Jr., West Point graduate; commanded the 82nd Airborne in Iraq until 2004, making 153 jumps himself. Retired with two stars in 2004.

Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper, Vietnam veteran; retired as a Marine three-star in 1997. Served as a consultant to Rumsfeld's Pentagon
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188547 Apr 14, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not if the President authorizes it.
Its not a crime if the President does it?

Tricky Dickey Nixon
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188548 Apr 14, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
No one authorized Valerie Plame to be outed. Armitage did it all on his own. There was no reason for the investigation to go on indefinitely.
So you also believe that Traitor Colonel North acted alone without Reagan and Bush?

ROTFL

LOL

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#188549 Apr 14, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not a crime if the President does it?
Tricky Dickey Nixon
Instead of acting like the class clown, are you going to tell us what Bush did?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188550 Apr 14, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
What did he do that was against the law?
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Because it is a crime of treason against our CIA to out a covert operative.

Do you deny writing this?

Adam36 wrote:

Not if the President authorizes it.

Do you often get entwined in your BS? Seems so.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#188551 Apr 14, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Because it is a crime of treason against our CIA to out a covert operative.
Do you deny writing this?
Adam36 wrote:
Not if the President authorizes it.
Do you often get entwined in your BS? Seems so.
The President did not authorize the outing of her name he declassified a report.

Stop being a clown or don't.
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188552 Apr 14, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of acting like the class clown, are you going to tell us what Bush did?
It will be a honor and pleasure to tell you what Bush did.

Fox News won't but I will.

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Judge Andrew Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for crimes against the United States Constitution.
Lies The Government Told You / March 5, 2010
Author: Judge Andrew Napolitano / http://tinyurl.com/ykdwxlc /
Judge Andrew Napolitano has created a great book with Lies The Government Told You. He has put into writing what many of us have long suspected…our government has been lying to use for years about almost everything it has ever done. If you think our government is crooked and power hungry, you will realize just how crooked it is when you read this book. Lies The Government Told You is scary as hell to be truthful. I didn’t find a single thing that I disagreed with. It’s almost unbelievable how far our Nation has moved from the Constitution. While I don’t watch much news anymore (I find most so called “journalists” to be either too frightened or too stupid to ask real questions that actually matter) I see enough to keep up with the major stories. I was glad to see Napolitano mention the failure of the national media as well in the book. Lies The Government Told You will really open your eyes to how broken our government is, not just because it’s virtually bankrupt, but because it fails to uphold the constitution and protect the very citizens that fund it. You will also learn that the Federal Reserve isn’t a “federal” entity. It’s a private corporation that controls all our money with little or no oversight. There used to be a joke that if Alan Greenspan happened to comment how nasty a rainy day was, the stock market would drop fifty points. It doesn’t sound far-fetched when you realize how much power the Federal Reserve actually has. I wold love to see this book as required reading in any government class. It truly does open your mind to the countless ways we as citizens have failed to protect our own freedoms by allowing such actions to occur time and time again. If you can still vote for most politicians after reading this, I can only hope they have also read the book. All Americans should be both shocked and ashamed at our government for these lies. We should remember these actions the next time we vote, though another big problem is the lack of choices on the ballot. Let’s be honest, how many times have you voted for the lesser of two evils? I highly recommend this book for everyone. If millions read it and understand how far we have fallen, maybe there is still hope that we can get our government and our constitutional rights back.
http://www.bookreviewsweekly.com/lies-the-gov...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188553 Apr 14, 2014
Judge Andrew Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for crimes against the United States Constitution.
The Libertarian commentator debates politics, history and what he considers to be the unconstitutional behavior of both the Bush and Obama administrations, with consumer advocate and four-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader.
June 2, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/kpno7e7
Well, this is something you don't see every day. Ralph Nader hosted this interview segment with Fox News' Judge Andrew Napolitano and discussed his book, Lies the Government Told You. I'm surprised the judge is going to be allowed on Fox after making the statements he did about Bush and Cheney during the interview.

Nader: What's the sanction for President Bush and Vice President Cheney?

Napolitano: There's been no sanction except what history will say about them.

Nader: What should be the sanctions?

Napolitano: They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrants. I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime.

Nader: So you think George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should even though they've left office, they haven't escaped the criminal laws, they should be indicted and prosecuted?

Napolitano: The evidence in this book and in others, our colleague the great Vincent Bugliosi has amassed an incredible amount of evidence. The purpose of this book was not to amass that evidence but I do discuss it, is overwhelming when you compare it to the level of evidence required for a normal indictment that George W. Bush as President and Dick Cheney as Vice President participated in criminal conspiracies to violate the federal law and the guaranteed civil liberties of hundreds, maybe thousands of human beings


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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
by Vincent Bugliosi / May 9, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/yjwxsea
There is direct evidence that President George W. Bush did not honorably lead this nation, but deliberately misled it into a war he wanted. Bush and his administration knowingly lied to Congress and to the American public -- lies that have cost the lives of more than 4,000 young American soldiers and close to $1 trillion.
A Monumental Lie
In his first nationally televised address on the Iraqi crisis on October 7, 2002, six days after receiving the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), a classified CIA report, President Bush told millions of Americans the exact opposite of what the CIA was telling him -a monumental lie to the nation and the world.

On the evening of October 7, 2002, the very latest CIA intelligence was that Hussein was not an imminent threat to the U.S. This same information was delivered to the Bush administration as early as October 1, 2002, in the NIE, including input from the CIA and 15 other U.S. intelligence agencies. In addition, CIA director George Tenet briefed Bush in the Oval Office on the morning of October 7th.

According to the October 1, 2002 NIE, "Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW [chemical and biological warfare] against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger case for making war." The report concluded that Hussein was not planning to use any weapons of mass destruction; further, Hussein would only use weapons of mass destruction he was believed to have if he were first attacked, that is, he would only use them in self-defense.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/0...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188555 Apr 14, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
Judge Andrew Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for crimes against the United States Constitution.
The Libertarian commentator debates politics, history and what he considers to be the unconstitutional behavior of both the Bush and Obama administrations, with consumer advocate and four-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader.
June 2, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/kpno7e7
Well, this is something you don't see every day. Ralph Nader hosted this interview segment with Fox News' Judge Andrew Napolitano and discussed his book, Lies the Government Told You. I'm surprised the judge is going to be allowed on Fox after making the statements he did about Bush and Cheney during the interview.
Nader: What's the sanction for President Bush and Vice President Cheney?
Napolitano: There's been no sanction except what history will say about them.
Nader: What should be the sanctions?
Napolitano: They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrants. I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime.
Nader: So you think George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should even though they've left office, they haven't escaped the criminal laws, they should be indicted and prosecuted?
Napolitano: The evidence in this book and in others, our colleague the great Vincent Bugliosi has amassed an incredible amount of evidence. The purpose of this book was not to amass that evidence but I do discuss it, is overwhelming when you compare it to the level of evidence required for a normal indictment that George W. Bush as President and Dick Cheney as Vice President participated in criminal conspiracies to violate the federal law and the guaranteed civil liberties of hundreds, maybe thousands of human beings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =3wepQdPHaiQXX
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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
by Vincent Bugliosi / May 9, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/yjwxsea
There is direct evidence that President George W. Bush did not honorably lead this nation, but deliberately misled it into a war he wanted. Bush and his administration knowingly lied to Congress and to the American public -- lies that have cost the lives of more than 4,000 young American soldiers and close to $1 trillion.
A Monumental Lie
In his first nationally televised address on the Iraqi crisis on October 7, 2002, six days after receiving the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), a classified CIA report, President Bush told millions of Americans the exact opposite of what the CIA was telling him -a monumental lie to the nation and the world.
On the evening of October 7, 2002, the very latest CIA intelligence was that Hussein was not an imminent threat to the U.S. This same information was delivered to the Bush administration as early as October 1, 2002, in the NIE, including input from the CIA and 15 other U.S. intelligence agencies. In addition, CIA director George Tenet briefed Bush in the Oval Office on the morning of October 7th.
According to the October 1, 2002 NIE, "Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW [chemical and biological warfare] against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger case for making war." The report concluded that Hussein was not planning to use any weapons of mass destruction; further, Hussein would only use weapons of mass destruction he was believed to have if he were first attacked, that is, he would only use them in self-defense.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/0...
And do you know what Judge Andrew Napolitano has said about Pres. Obama? Do you really want to go there?!?

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Location hidden

#188556 Apr 14, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
So you also believe that Traitor Colonel North acted alone without Reagan and Bush?
ROTFL
LOL
And you have proof that Reagan or Bush-41 violated the law? If they had, the REPUBLICANS would have incised that they be prosecuted.
Republicans clean their own houses while you Democrats are happy sleeping with pigs!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188557 Apr 14, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
They all live in the Rightwing bubble.
Could you imagine if a multitude of CIA, FBI, and Generals came out publicly against Obama like they did against Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld?
LOL
"Multitude"? Okay, name them? Yes, you always have a few loony-tooney-lefties in government but the majority will back the president in office.
Oh, lefties are just a lot noisier than we on the right. Just compare a TEA Party event to any of the Occupy rallies!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188558 Apr 14, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The President, the Number One lawmaker in the land, the Commander in Chief, the head of all the ministries and secretaries of state, head of all governmental institutions, who is the example upon which the populace depends as a legal and moral guide, is ABOVE THE LAW? Would you like to rephrase that?
Ah, no president is a "lawmaker"! That is Congresses job. The president is the one who is suppose to apply and enforce laws passed by Congress!!
Boy, you have a weird view about our Constitution!!!
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188559 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And do you know what Judge Andrew Napolitano has said about Pres. Obama? Do you really want to go there?!?
Yes I will go there because Obama is continuing over 90% of all Bush and Cheney's failed and illegal policy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188560 Apr 14, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You : "Oh, Bush did not give Scooter Libby any pardon. He commuted his sentence. Libby is still a convicted felon and still had to pay fines!!! But since when did facts get in the way of your opinions?
But what is really sad is that Deep Throat Jacqueau with flush this from his memory and repeat the same lies in a few weeks. And he wonders why I call people like him, Libtards???"
Loser. You can't read. I ASKED if Libby had been pardoned, not STATED, nor SAID. Oh, a presidential commute, right? Hmmm, sounds pretty much the same.
Rogue : Who paid the $250,000 fine, if at all paid? Was Libby a rich man?
Now remember, Rogue, a QUESTION is not a STATEMENT.
Well, stop using Frenchy-English then and say what you mean.
And you do knot no what the difference between a pardon and a commutation is? I would try and explain it you but I think you lack the CQ to understand it.
And who paid his fine? Do you have any evidence he did not pay his fine?
And who paid Bill Clinton's fines? Oh, he had a defense fund payed for by a bunch of Libtards like you who thought he was innocent and THEY paid the fines, bot Bill!!! Oh, did Scooter Libby has a Defense Fund?
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188562 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Multitude"? Okay, name them? Yes, you always have a few loony-tooney-lefties in government but the majority will back the president in office.
Oh, lefties are just a lot noisier than we on the right. Just compare a TEA Party event to any of the Occupy rallies!!!
Do a little research and you will find most all the Generals, and CIA are Republicans and not Democrats.

Just like Colonel Wilkerson and General Powell are registered Republicans.

BTW: the military follows orders no matter what party as long as it is Constitutional and coincides with established law.
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188563 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, no president is a "lawmaker"! That is Congresses job. The president is the one who is suppose to apply and enforce laws passed by Congress!!
Boy, you have a weird view about our Constitution!!!
The President either veto's or passes the legislation by signing it into law.

Stop nitpicking.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188564 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, did he commit treason or is he a patriot. Maybe a little of both. I say let him stay in Russia for a few years and see if Obama will pardon him like Bill Clinton did for Marc Rich!
<quoted text>
No, Oliver North Libbey were NOT pardoned. But the Democrats in the Senate Pardoned Bill Clinton!!! Nixon was pardoned more for the good of the people than anything else.
Oh, what charges where against Nixon? Clinton?
Nixon and no prior knowledge or consent to the Water Gate break in but he did try and cover it up where as Bill Clinton did commit perjury in a federal court, perjury in a federal grand jury, conspire with Monica Lewinsky to obstruct justice, suborn a false affidavit from Monica, conspire with Monica to get a false affidavit from Linda Tripp, submitted two false affidavit to a federal court, etc.
Yep, Nixon, ONE felony and Bil, at least SIX felonies!!!
Now shut the f-up,,,,,, again!!!
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Loser. Clinton had nothing to be pardoned for, therefore, no pardon issued. Who pardoned him? President Clinton? I thought only presidents could pardon. Am I wrong? Tell me.
Well, if he did not commit any crimes, why was he indicted by the House of Reps? I have shown this many times before but you seem to flush it from your memory two seconds after I post it!!!

From Wiki: Upon the passage of H. Res. 611, Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote)[16] and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).[17] Two other articles of impeachment failed – a second count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote)[18] and one accusing Clinton of abuse of power (by a 148–285 vote).[19] Four Republicans opposed all four articles, while five Democrats voted for three of them and one Democrat for all four. Clinton thus became the second U.S. president to be impeached, following Andrew Johnson in 1868.(Clinton was the third sitting President against whom the House of Representatives has initiated impeachment proceedings since 1789. Articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon were passed by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974 and reported to the full House, but Nixon resigned the Presidency before the impeachment resolutions could be considered.)

Chink,,, FLUSH! It is already gone from Deep Throat Jacqueaus memory.
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#188565 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And you have proof that Reagan or Bush-41 violated the law? If they had, the REPUBLICANS would have incised that they be prosecuted.
Republicans clean their own houses while you Democrats are happy sleeping with pigs!!!
Most in Congress DO NOT BELIEVE in the US Constitution.

If they did, they would have impeached:

LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.

Nixon for Watergate.

Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra.

Bush/Cheney for WMD in Iraq, and spying on all innocent law-abiding Americans.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188567 Apr 14, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, no president is a "lawmaker"! That is Congresses job. The president is the one who is suppose to apply and enforce laws passed by Congress!!
Boy, you have a weird view about our Constitution!!!
Okay, here's news for you, Constitution expert :

The President presides over the whole apparatus of government, He is, to use a business term, the Chief Executive Officer of the whole shebang.

He is, therefore, the head and superior of the Attorney General, the Justice Dept, the Sec of Defence, the Sec of the Interior, the secretary of Agriculture, the Sec of Health, the Sec of Public Works, the titular head of homeland security, the Sec of State etc.

He DELEGATES authority, he does not give it up - he is the big guy, whether it's GWB or Obama, like it or not. It's, to make it plain and easy to understand for you, like the CEO of Ford. He DELEGATES authority through intermediaries right down to man/woman who screws the last nut on the last vehicle on the assembly line. Now go back to your "Constitution for Dummies".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188568 Apr 14, 2014
Again, if any of us "common folks" had done what Bill Clinton had done, this judge would have found us in CRIMINAL Contempt and sent us to prison.
Please note, she was aware of the false affidavits a year before the impeachment of Bill Clinton but waited until after the impeachment to make it public. WHY? Oh, it might have effected the impeachment trial and Bill may have been CONVICTED!!!
Yep, Justice Webber-Wright, withheld information from CONGRESS!!!

Jones Case Judge May Cite Clinton

Text of Judge Wright's Sept. Order
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 17, 1999; Page A1

Just days after winning acquittal at his impeachment trial, President Clinton was confronted with a new legal threat yesterday as a federal judge signaled that she may hold him in contempt of court for providing misleading testimony about his affair with Monica S. Lewinsky.

U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright, who oversaw the Paula Jones lawsuit that led to Clinton's impeachment, told attorneys involved in the case yesterday afternoon that she will explore civil sanctions against the president and gave them until Friday to file the first motions related to the process.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics...

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