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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Opinionated Redhead”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#188146 Apr 7, 2014
The Half-Black President wrote:
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And you are about as educated as Obama is. Obama thinks a Navy Corpsman is a dead sailor!
Oh, not one of you Libtards have proven that Ted Cruz has ever claimed he was a Canadian CITIZEN!!! So how can you assume something he has never said?!?
Yes, I am serious. Just call a Marine a Sailor and see what happens!!!! Oh, do you know what "Marines" even means? It means "My Ass Rides in Navy Ships"
http://www.politico.com/story/ 2014/01/ted-cruz-canadian-citi zenship-101747.html
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#188147 Apr 7, 2014
hornypam wrote:
LMAO!!!......to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.(Elk v. Wilkins, 1884)

Yes, go ahead and push to remove Ted, both he and Obama were born with the same baggage, citizens of a foreign country.
A dual-citizenship is no better than one that is naturalized and we all know a naturalized citizen can't be POTUS. Now why would that be, questionable allegiance, of course.

“Opinionated Redhead”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#188148 Apr 7, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
We know you are very disrespectful of people you disagree with. It's obvious.
Oh, can you prove Ted Cruz is a Canadian? And John McCain was a sailor and not a soldier but you probably don't know the difference, do you Tootsie?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2 014/01/03/us-senator-ted-cruz- still-dual-us-canadian-citizen -despite-simple-renouncement/
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#188149 Apr 7, 2014
hornypam wrote:
LMAO!!! "hornypam", "come on down", if the price is right!!!
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#188150 Apr 7, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I certainly did not prove TeaHead's idiotic statements, such as: Rent is not for "private possession"!
Nor did I validate his belief that personal property is not private property.
I was laughing at his incompetent attempts to show that tax technically is not rent.
However, property tax on your home is functionally equivalent to rent: If you don't pay it you will be evicted. You are the owner only so long as the government says you are the owner.
Does Dufus Dale the TeaHead still believe that personal property is not private property or that rent is not for private possession?
LMAO!!! You got skooled , makes no difference how you try to spin it!!! LMAO!!!

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#188151 Apr 7, 2014
Perfect.
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!......to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.(Elk v. Wilkins, 1884)
Yes, go ahead and push to remove Ted, both he and Obama were born with the same baggage, citizens of a foreign country.
A dual-citizenship is no better than one that is naturalized and we all know a naturalized citizen can't be POTUS. Now why would that be, questionable allegiance, of course.
Thank you and may God bless!
Guru

West Hollywood, CA

#188152 Apr 8, 2014
man...you guys gotta see this one. you thought obama was weird....you ain;'t seen nothing yet!!! I think this is true!!!!??


lol...oh man.....I can't stop laughing!!!!

Looks like Michelle is a man!!!

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#188154 Apr 8, 2014
Some lost a lot some lost a few things some will lose things and then some gain some things too...

Boohoo to A Society for letting this happen, People????

People for and by...
Something is done with all the taxes can't tell me that some people do not benefit from taxes paid in...

Oh so lets see poor people exist and Government is going to stop helping all together who helps out?

To the point there's no one left to help and Government had someone been slacking how are there still people poor?

What People?

“I am an ALIEN!!!”

Since: Dec 06

KREUZBERG...

#188155 Apr 8, 2014
Guru wrote:
man...you guys gotta see this one. you thought obama was weird....you ain;'t seen nothing yet!!! I think this is true!!!!??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =fVAXqKugXkgXX
lol...oh man.....I can't stop laughing!!!!
Looks like Michelle is a man!!!
Ok you are questioning yourself if it is real????

Odds are it isn't...Odds.... LOL to that...

Hey Maybe it's the very first Sims Family....Our President is a Sim's Character now can we try to figure out what Nation has created such noble Royals...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#188157 Apr 8, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You sure did, remember conveyance.
con·vey·ance
Law
the legal process of transferring property from one owner to another.
Owners do not pay rent, and as you stated owners pay taxes for the upkeep of the community.
The point of the debate was that in a socialist state one does not have private property.
Now where does it say in the definition of conveyance that an owner is precluded from paying rent? Is Dale hallucinating again?

I know of a tenant who subleased property back to the owner. The owner was paying rent.

Ha ha. Owners do pay rent.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I certainly did not prove TeaHead's idiotic statements, such as: Rent is not for "private possession"!
Nor did I validate his belief that personal property is not private property.
I was laughing at his incompetent attempts to show that tax technically is not rent.
However, property tax on your home is functionally equivalent to rent: If you don't pay it you will be evicted. You are the owner only so long as the government says you are the owner.
Does Dufus Dale the TeaHead still believe that personal property is not private property or that rent is not for private possession?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188158 Apr 8, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Makes no difference what your definition is, I own my private and personal property, and I do not pay rent on them, just taxes. Had you read wojar's posts, he proved everything I stated, although he didn't know it.
Why do you socialist bitch about Bush taking your inalienable rights, isn't that the way of a socialist government. Hell, just look at your party it has the same agenda as the communist party, you people are far too stupid to recognize that fact, or is that what you want, and you bitch about Bush!!
I am not a socialist. I am a constitutionalist.

That is why I hated dubbya.

I hate Obama too...just not for trivial bullshit. You act as if Obama is in control of US politics and everything would be rainbows and candy canes if a GOP candidate replaced him.

Exactly nothing would be different.

You have completely failed in 4 or 5 post now to name a single policy enacted by Obama that is moving the US to socialism. Repeating generalities doesn't make your claim true.

When I asked to for an example, I just assumed that since you talk communism this... and socialism that... you may have something to reinforce your idea. If I were to make such a statement... I would be ready to at least present conceptual proof.

But, hey... I work with people who require convincing, I am used to it.

But it has been 3 or 4 days, and I am getting the feeling you just like waving unloaded guns.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#188159 Apr 8, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Do you know the definition of private property v. personal property, and yes private possession means you do not rent it, you own it, just as I states, and yes I am the owner until due process relieves me of said property.(See 14th amendment)
LMAO!!! Don't try to spin out of this one, I skooled your drunk ass, big time!!!
What a totally incompetent response. Indeed I know that personal property, such as gold, is private property. People thought they owned it, until they were forced to surrender it for pieces of paper.

And a renter is in private possession of the item rented. When a landlord rents property, the renter gains private possession of the property.

According to floridabar.org :
"A tenant is entitled to the right of private, peaceful possession of the dwelling."
http://tinyurl.com/23gp5qs

Sorry Dufus, you cannot prove a point with a string of false disjointed statements.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I certainly did not prove TeaHead's idiotic statements, such as: Rent is not for "private possession"!
Nor did I validate his belief that personal property is not private property.
I was laughing at his incompetent attempts to show that tax technically is not rent.
However, property tax on your home is functionally equivalent to rent: If you don't pay it you will be evicted. You are the owner only so long as the government says you are the owner.
Does Dufus Dale the TeaHead still believe that personal property is not private property or that rent is not for private possession?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188160 Apr 8, 2014
Guru wrote:
man...you guys gotta see this one. you thought obama was weird....you ain;'t seen nothing yet!!! I think this is true!!!!??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =fVAXqKugXkgXX
lol...oh man.....I can't stop laughing!!!!
Looks like Michelle is a man!!!
They even wrapped it up with Deuteronomy... It HAS to be true...

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

...idiots.... I can't stop laughing either.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#188162 Apr 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
What a totally incompetent response. Indeed I know that personal property, such as gold, is private property. People thought they owned it, until they were forced to surrender it for pieces of paper.
And a renter is in private possession of the item rented. When a landlord rents property, the renter gains private possession of the property.
According to floridabar.org :
"A tenant is entitled to the right of private, peaceful possession of the dwelling."
http://tinyurl.com/23gp5qs
Sorry Dufus, you cannot prove a point with a string of false disjointed statements.
<quoted text>
I have heard of Feds threatening people with eminent domain to take their property as a tactic used to lean on people they need.

Then again... law enforcement lies to people all the time. Really the only way they can get cooperation from anyone anymore. I live in a place police can't come without a warrant or being summoned. And the rare occasion they are spotted... people aren't exactly cooperative, let alone welcoming.
Obskeptic

United States

#188164 Apr 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Obskeptic: definition of a republic?
I don't give a F about Mr. Obskeptic's make believe definitions.
A republic can have a democratic form of government insofar the people's representatives chosen by them are their elected agents chosen under a free electoral system.
<quoted text>
That makes us more alike then you care to admit to yourself Woj because I could care less what you think as well, as I think you are a bigger idiot then you think I am. For such a self appointed smart guy that is really nothing more then ridiculously arrogant and narcissistic fool, maybe some thoughts from the founders on their interpretations will clarify it for you. I respect and admire their intellect Woj. I could never respect yours because your an ass, not an intellect.

Benjamin Franklin: When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Papers: We are a Republican Government, Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of democracy…it has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.

John Adams: Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%.

James Madison: Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.

John Quincy Adams: The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.


Thomas Jefferson: The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Benjamin Franklin (maybe): Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

James Madison: Democracy was the right of the people to choose their own tyrant.

John Adams: That the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of the history of the world.

Thomas Jefferson: All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that through the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression.

John Witherspoon: Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state – it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.

James Madison: We may define a republic to be – a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion or a favored class of it: otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles, exercising their oppressions by a delegation of their powers, might aspire to the rank of republicans and claim for their government the honorable title of republic.

John Marshall: Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188165 Apr 8, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You sure did, remember conveyance.
con·vey·ance
Law
the legal process of transferring property from one owner to another.
Owners do not pay rent, and as you stated owners pay taxes for the upkeep of the community.
The point of the debate was that in a socialist state one does not have private property.
Really? In Socialist France, there are no private property owners? In socialist Switzerland, there are no private property owners? In ex-socialist GB of Toni Blair, there were no socialist property owners, nor were there private property owners on former socialist (many times socialist) post-war Germany? No private property owners in socialist Japan? Shall I go on?

Don't you think it's time you went back to primary school, and perhaps read some real newspapers, watch some real TV news?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188166 Apr 8, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! "hornypam", "come on down", if the price is right!!!
She gave you a FOXNews.com despatch, Dale, ha ha, ex Justice Dale aka LRS - I digress but it's fun. Yes, as I was saying , the Canadian Cruz story she gave you is from your adored and beloved Fox. You don't believe Fox any more? Yet, the headline screams :

"US Senator Ted Cruz still a dual US-Canadian citizen despite simple renouncement process"

Crawl, grovel, fools Rogue and Dale, and continue the ad hominem, it's all you've got.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#188167 Apr 8, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
They even wrapped it up with Deuteronomy... It HAS to be true...
"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."
...idiots.... I can't stop laughing either.
Misfits, freaks, losers like self-anointed Guru, have nothing left to say about Obama, so they attack his wife and "accuse" her, in a pure tabloid - Fox depiction, of being a man. How cheap, how uneducated, how crass, how disrespectful. What now? Go after the two daughters that , oh, that's right, she gave birth to...as a man.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188168 Apr 8, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not a socialist. I am a constitutionalist.
That is why I hated dubbya.
I hate Obama too...just not for trivial bullshit. You act as if Obama is in control of US politics and everything would be rainbows and candy canes if a GOP candidate replaced him.
Exactly nothing would be different.
You have completely failed in 4 or 5 post now to name a single policy enacted by Obama that is moving the US to socialism. Repeating generalities doesn't make your claim true.
When I asked to for an example, I just assumed that since you talk communism this... and socialism that... you may have something to reinforce your idea. If I were to make such a statement... I would be ready to at least present conceptual proof.
But, hey... I work with people who require convincing, I am used to it.
But it has been 3 or 4 days, and I am getting the feeling you just like waving unloaded guns.
Soooo, if you are, as you claim, a constitutionalists, you should hate Obama even more than Bush just based on the 38 amendments he dictated to the ACA (ObamaCrae).

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#188169 Apr 8, 2014
Guru wrote:
man...you guys gotta see this one. you thought obama was weird....you ain;'t seen nothing yet!!! I think this is true!!!!??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =fVAXqKugXkgXX
lol...oh man.....I can't stop laughing!!!!
Looks like Michelle is a man!!!
The only problem is that she has born two children. Yes, some women look masculine while some guys look feminine but it how they look, or act, has nothing to do with what God created.
I was always hot for Marilyn McCoo. Now she looks like a woman!!! Now Diana Ross maybe cute but she is just tooooo skinny. If you have less than a B-Cup, I ain't interested.

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