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Britegirl

Waukesha, WI

#187937 Apr 5, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>No one is above the law, however it should be pointed out that the news media should cease and desist from using the pejorative term “birther” to ridicule and silence skeptics merely seeking the truth about Obama’s birth narrative until they are willing to concede their failure to vet Obama. They should include a disclaimer in their reports that they failed to investigate the veracity of the original “birther” claim when Hillary Clinton's camp first raised the issue on the campaign trail in 2008; and also when the results of an official law enforcement investigation declared Obama’s ID documents to be forgeries and fraudulently placed on the White House website to deceive the American public.
Obama is a foreign plant who was placed on the path to the presidency by ultra-rich Saudi nationals. This is why all of Obama’s education records have been permanently sealed.
You can't change what is happening right before our eyes so get saved now before the Rapture while there is still a very little time. Otherwise you will face the Tribulation, judgement and eternal damnation with Kenyan-born Obama the Antichrist and Jesuit Pope Francis the False Prophet.
Ellen1 is so right about you stupid, homophobic, narrow-minded, hypocritical, bible-thumping birthers. When are you going to get a clue you're not wanted here. Go kneel in your whitebread church and mumble! Sing those old hillbilly songs like "Onward Cristian Soldiers" & "Silent Night" to what few idiots care to hear it there but not in our schools. I am still very proud of Mr. Obama for standing up to you and your kind. Remember: The Constitution means what the courts say it means regardless of some outdated words and misunderstandings in the original document. Why do we even need a Second Amendment? Most of the dangerous wild animals have already been killed. Ditto for the Indians. Chances are if you keep a gun in Atlanta, Chicago, NYC or LA it will eventually be stolen and then used to rob banks, 7-Elevens and crackers, maybe even you. Soon you will all be dead anyway.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187938 Apr 5, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Good work Wojar.
I never understood what the problem was. There are certainly cases when you don't disclose your data... for instance... when you aren't done with it.
But that came from a "rogue source" so you never really know until you look into it yourself.
What got me was that several other groups published similar findings, extending and refining his initial results. There simply was never any doubt that his results were validated. The entire "Climategate" episode was trumped up by climate change deniers who simply cannot admit that they are the liars.

Years after he was vindicated some people in the media, who cannot admit they were wrong, want to sift through all of his emails. Mann should tell them where to go.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187940 Apr 5, 2014
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
14 Points of Fascism
http://tinyurl.com/2dfewwu
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - 2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - 3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4.) Supremacy of the Military - 5.) Rampant Sexism - 6.) Controlled Mass Media
7.) Obsession with National Security - 8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined - 9.) Corporate Power is Protected:- 10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:- 11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - 12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment - 13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - 14. Fraudulent Elections:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/antifascism...
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Just wanted to run down the list and make sure...

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Don't think there is much point taking a stance against that... guilty.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - "enhanced interrogation" Water boarding and hypothermia sessions...black sites... Guantanamo... Guilty.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause- We are at war with "terrorist". Basically united against possibly anyone at any time. Just about anyone can be tagged with that brand.

4.) Supremacy of the Military - pffft.

5.) Rampant Sexism - Pretty sure we still have a good deal of military rape cover ups. Advertising is pretty much placing your product in cleavage anymore.

6.) Controlled Mass Media - We live in the shadow of an awe inspiring propaganda machine. Unquestionably the greatest mindfuk history has witnessed.

7.) Obsession with National Security - We aren't looking at your emails, or listening to your phone calls, or logging your texts, or tracking your movements, or compiling data on who you are linked to, or stealing your passwords... at least until we got caught.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined - We have broken the color barrier with Obama. No one at all would be shocked to see Hillary as President. But you don't have any conceivable chance to get elected if you don't pretend to be a god fearing christian pilgrim. I don't care if you have a 160-IQ and possess the social skills of Oprah.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected:- "Citizens United", "Citizens United" and " Citizens United"

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:- How much union bashing has been going on lately? I mean, if you are lucky enough to find that kind of work, you face enough challenges. Do we need to be kicking these guys all the time? What do you care what they do with their money?

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - You must seek these things out in our culture. We have them but they are largely underground counterculture figures. I would love to go around asking Americans who is the smartest person they know of... a pre-made gag reel.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment - We have the largest prison population by leaps and bounds... by any measure. The legal system is big business in America. It pales in comparison to the prison system. We make ruining lives very profitable.

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - George H. George W. now possibly Jeb? This isn't a college football coaching position. It is becoming the leader of the free world. If you want to see corruption... youtube up any federal reserve grilling from the house. Corruption seems to be expected anymore, and you know we are lost when people from one camp are defending "their crooks" by saying the other guys were worse.

14. Fraudulent Elections - When was the last election there wasn't evidence of at least minor fraud?

Ok... checked em all off.

We are obviously headed down the path of communi...errr... wait a second!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#187941 Apr 5, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Just wanted to run down the list and make sure...
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Don't think there is much point taking a stance against that... guilty.
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - "enhanced interrogation" Water boarding and hypothermia sessions...black sites... Guantanamo... Guilty.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause- We are at war with "terrorist". Basically united against possibly anyone at any time. Just about anyone can be tagged with that brand.
4.) Supremacy of the Military - pffft.
5.) Rampant Sexism - Pretty sure we still have a good deal of military rape cover ups. Advertising is pretty much placing your product in cleavage anymore.
6.) Controlled Mass Media - We live in the shadow of an awe inspiring propaganda machine. Unquestionably the greatest mindfuk history has witnessed.
7.) Obsession with National Security - We aren't looking at your emails, or listening to your phone calls, or logging your texts, or tracking your movements, or compiling data on who you are linked to, or stealing your passwords... at least until we got caught.
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined - We have broken the color barrier with Obama. No one at all would be shocked to see Hillary as President. But you don't have any conceivable chance to get elected if you don't pretend to be a god fearing christian pilgrim. I don't care if you have a 160-IQ and possess the social skills of Oprah.
9.) Corporate Power is Protected:- "Citizens United", "Citizens United" and " Citizens United"
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:- How much union bashing has been going on lately? I mean, if you are lucky enough to find that kind of work, you face enough challenges. Do we need to be kicking these guys all the time? What do you care what they do with their money?
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - You must seek these things out in our culture. We have them but they are largely underground counterculture figures. I would love to go around asking Americans who is the smartest person they know of... a pre-made gag reel.
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment - We have the largest prison population by leaps and bounds... by any measure. The legal system is big business in America. It pales in comparison to the prison system. We make ruining lives very profitable.
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - George H. George W. now possibly Jeb? This isn't a college football coaching position. It is becoming the leader of the free world. If you want to see corruption... youtube up any federal reserve grilling from the house. Corruption seems to be expected anymore, and you know we are lost when people from one camp are defending "their crooks" by saying the other guys were worse.
14. Fraudulent Elections - When was the last election there wasn't evidence of at least minor fraud?
Ok... checked em all off.
We are obviously headed down the path of communi...errr... wait a second!
Let's face it, birthers and tea partyers, armed with infinite knowledge, are right. Fascism, communism, Hitlerism, Stalinism, all common OBAMA traits, all one and the same. I agree with nutball Welby, Obama IS the Muslim anti-Christ.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187942 Apr 5, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care what you pay.. it proves nothing. You are a tenant. You can be removed at a whim.
Sure, you can put up 'private property' signs. You are even held legally responsible for people and structures on said land. You can pay taxes till you are broke.
However, the second someone decides "your" property is needed, it WILL be taken from you.
Bypasses, heat sinks, conservation... name a reason.
The govt. will quickly explain what "tenant" means and before you know it, you will be losing a court battle and accepting whatever compensation the govt.(and maybe now... the court) finds acceptable.
Many a land owning American has learned exactly what eminent domain means. It means what I said... you don't own jack.
"Fundamental change"... "socialist teachings"
Way to get specific. Got any legitimate reasons to think Obama is implementing socialism?
LMAO!!! When it comes to a point where this government takes over the property of citizens for the good of all (socialism), then this Union is dissolved, then each state can decide their own future.
Even under eminent domain you are rewarded at a fair market price for "your property". If it were not "your property" you wouldn't be owed jack.
Obama! Would you pet a snake, thinking it might be a cobra? His track record on by-passing the Constitution makes one wonder, what kind of snake is this.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187943 Apr 5, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
They do it EVERY day.
It isn't your property... so you don't pay attention, nor do you give a shit. And nobody is going to care if they take yours... blood...LMAO! Please...
If they decide to run a pipeline from Canada to the Gulf... Do you think for a second that they are going to be weaving in and out of private property lines?
Hell no... you and everyone else on their map are gone. I don't care if the land was in your family for 6 generations... you, "the tenant"....are screwed.
Go ahead... look at your deed. Tell me it list you as "owner" and I will show you a fake deed.
Legal language is a bitch.
LMAO!!! I can see where you are going! Hell, you're just a tree hugging socialist/communist.
Socialism is nothing more than the Patriot Act on steroids , those that give-up their freedom for security deserve neither.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187944 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So you pay rent to the government.
No, I pay "personal property" tax, not rent nor a fine.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187945 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
1. A theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
The second definition, which I have not included, is the definition according to Marxist theory, but that is of no moment as Marxist theory is full of crap. Does Mr. Teahead believe in Marxist theory?
That is right, no individual ownership.
Marxism is full of crap, thank you.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187946 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! When it comes to a point where this government takes over the property of citizens for the good of all (socialism), then this Union is dissolved, then each state can decide their own future.
Even under eminent domain you are rewarded at a fair market price for "your property". If it were not "your property" you wouldn't be owed jack.
Obama! Would you pet a snake, thinking it might be a cobra? His track record on by-passing the Constitution makes one wonder, what kind of snake is this.
Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.

BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care what you pay.. it proves nothing. You are a tenant. You can be removed at a whim.
Sure, you can put up 'private property' signs. You are even held legally responsible for people and structures on said land. You can pay taxes till you are broke.
However, the second someone decides "your" property is needed, it WILL be taken from you.
Bypasses, heat sinks, conservation... name a reason.
The govt. will quickly explain what "tenant" means and before you know it, you will be losing a court battle and accepting whatever compensation the govt.(and maybe now... the court) finds acceptable.
Many a land owning American has learned exactly what eminent domain means. It means what I said... you don't own jack.
"Fundamental change"... "socialist teachings"
Way to get specific. Got any legitimate reasons to think Obama is implementing socialism?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187947 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>No, I pay "personal property" tax, not rent nor a fine.
If you don't pay your rent to the government, you the tenant, will be evicted and the property auctioned.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So you pay rent to the government.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187948 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>That is right, no individual ownership.
Marxism is full of crap, thank you.
Property rights are granted by society; in a society in which there are no individual property rights attached to land, no one individually owns the land.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187949 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.
BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
<quoted text>
Why even bring property rights into the picture, it doesn't change the ownership of the property.
If one didn't own the property it could be taken without any compensation.
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#187950 Apr 5, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Just wanted to run down the list and make sure...
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Don't think there is much point taking a stance against that... guilty.
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - "enhanced interrogation" Water boarding and hypothermia sessions...black sites... Guantanamo... Guilty.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause- We are at war with "terrorist". Basically united against possibly anyone at any time. Just about anyone can be tagged with that brand.
4.) Supremacy of the Military - pffft.
5.) Rampant Sexism - Pretty sure we still have a good deal of military rape cover ups. Advertising is pretty much placing your product in cleavage anymore.
6.) Controlled Mass Media - We live in the shadow of an awe inspiring propaganda machine. Unquestionably the greatest mindfuk history has witnessed.
7.) Obsession with National Security - We aren't looking at your emails, or listening to your phone calls, or logging your texts, or tracking your movements, or compiling data on who you are linked to, or stealing your passwords... at least until we got caught.
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined - We have broken the color barrier with Obama. No one at all would be shocked to see Hillary as President. But you don't have any conceivable chance to get elected if you don't pretend to be a god fearing christian pilgrim. I don't care if you have a 160-IQ and possess the social skills of Oprah.
9.) Corporate Power is Protected:- "Citizens United", "Citizens United" and " Citizens United"
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:- How much union bashing has been going on lately? I mean, if you are lucky enough to find that kind of work, you face enough challenges. Do we need to be kicking these guys all the time? What do you care what they do with their money?
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - You must seek these things out in our culture. We have them but they are largely underground counterculture figures. I would love to go around asking Americans who is the smartest person they know of... a pre-made gag reel.
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment - We have the largest prison population by leaps and bounds... by any measure. The legal system is big business in America. It pales in comparison to the prison system. We make ruining lives very profitable.
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - George H. George W. now possibly Jeb? This isn't a college football coaching position. It is becoming the leader of the free world. If you want to see corruption... youtube up any federal reserve grilling from the house. Corruption seems to be expected anymore, and you know we are lost when people from one camp are defending "their crooks" by saying the other guys were worse.
14. Fraudulent Elections - When was the last election there wasn't evidence of at least minor fraud?
Ok... checked em all off.
We are obviously headed down the path of communi...errr... wait a second!
You certainly nailed it Scrutiny and fascism is what is practiced in America with the façade of democracy and freedom.

==========

"We can have democracy in this country or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both."

--Louis Brandeis Supreme Court Justice / 1941

"The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it."

--Edward Dowling

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187951 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>That is right, no individual ownership.
Marxism is full of crap, thank you.
Got Alzheimer's? According to Marxist theory, as you posted, socialism is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
1. A theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
The second definition, which I have not included, is the definition according to Marxist theory, but that is of no moment as Marxist theory is full of crap. Does Mr. Teahead believe in Marxist theory?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187952 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Why even bring property rights into the picture, it doesn't change the ownership of the property.
If one didn't own the property it could be taken without any compensation.


That's the whole point, "ownership" is an illusory misconception; you are granted a bundle of rights.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.
BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187953 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't pay your rent to the government, you the tenant, will be evicted and the property auctioned.
<quoted text>
Yes, if I don't pay my "personal property tax", I the owner can be relieved of my property, but that doesn't mean that I am not the owner of said property.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187954 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Why even bring property rights into the picture, it doesn't change the ownership of the property.
If one didn't own the property it could be taken without any compensation.
If the right to compensation were not one of the rights bundled with other property rights, you wouldn't get compensated.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.
BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
<quoted text>
TwoSoftware

Kista, Sweden

#187955 Apr 5, 2014
It's amazing what http://www.twosoftware.com does with your Philips Hue light bulbs. Try it out!
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187956 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Got Alzheimer's? According to Marxist theory, as you posted, socialism is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
<quoted text>
Evidently you didn't understand, I do not believe in Marxism as a form of government.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187957 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, if I don't pay my "personal property tax", I the owner can be relieved of my property, but that doesn't mean that I am not the owner of said property.
If you were really the owner of the property, you wouldn't need to pay rent to the government.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't pay your rent to the government, you the tenant, will be evicted and the property auctioned.
<quoted text>

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