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Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187949 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.
BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
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Why even bring property rights into the picture, it doesn't change the ownership of the property.
If one didn't own the property it could be taken without any compensation.
Therealnews com

New Brunswick, NJ

#187950 Apr 5, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
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Just wanted to run down the list and make sure...
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Don't think there is much point taking a stance against that... guilty.
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - "enhanced interrogation" Water boarding and hypothermia sessions...black sites... Guantanamo... Guilty.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause- We are at war with "terrorist". Basically united against possibly anyone at any time. Just about anyone can be tagged with that brand.
4.) Supremacy of the Military - pffft.
5.) Rampant Sexism - Pretty sure we still have a good deal of military rape cover ups. Advertising is pretty much placing your product in cleavage anymore.
6.) Controlled Mass Media - We live in the shadow of an awe inspiring propaganda machine. Unquestionably the greatest mindfuk history has witnessed.
7.) Obsession with National Security - We aren't looking at your emails, or listening to your phone calls, or logging your texts, or tracking your movements, or compiling data on who you are linked to, or stealing your passwords... at least until we got caught.
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined - We have broken the color barrier with Obama. No one at all would be shocked to see Hillary as President. But you don't have any conceivable chance to get elected if you don't pretend to be a god fearing christian pilgrim. I don't care if you have a 160-IQ and possess the social skills of Oprah.
9.) Corporate Power is Protected:- "Citizens United", "Citizens United" and " Citizens United"
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:- How much union bashing has been going on lately? I mean, if you are lucky enough to find that kind of work, you face enough challenges. Do we need to be kicking these guys all the time? What do you care what they do with their money?
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - You must seek these things out in our culture. We have them but they are largely underground counterculture figures. I would love to go around asking Americans who is the smartest person they know of... a pre-made gag reel.
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment - We have the largest prison population by leaps and bounds... by any measure. The legal system is big business in America. It pales in comparison to the prison system. We make ruining lives very profitable.
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - George H. George W. now possibly Jeb? This isn't a college football coaching position. It is becoming the leader of the free world. If you want to see corruption... youtube up any federal reserve grilling from the house. Corruption seems to be expected anymore, and you know we are lost when people from one camp are defending "their crooks" by saying the other guys were worse.
14. Fraudulent Elections - When was the last election there wasn't evidence of at least minor fraud?
Ok... checked em all off.
We are obviously headed down the path of communi...errr... wait a second!
You certainly nailed it Scrutiny and fascism is what is practiced in America with the façade of democracy and freedom.

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"We can have democracy in this country or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both."

--Louis Brandeis Supreme Court Justice / 1941

"The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it."

--Edward Dowling

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187951 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>That is right, no individual ownership.
Marxism is full of crap, thank you.
Got Alzheimer's? According to Marxist theory, as you posted, socialism is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
1. A theory or system of social organization which advocates the vesting of ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language.
The second definition, which I have not included, is the definition according to Marxist theory, but that is of no moment as Marxist theory is full of crap. Does Mr. Teahead believe in Marxist theory?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187952 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Why even bring property rights into the picture, it doesn't change the ownership of the property.
If one didn't own the property it could be taken without any compensation.


That's the whole point, "ownership" is an illusory misconception; you are granted a bundle of rights.

Sorry, but that's the way it is.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.
BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187953 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't pay your rent to the government, you the tenant, will be evicted and the property auctioned.
<quoted text>
Yes, if I don't pay my "personal property tax", I the owner can be relieved of my property, but that doesn't mean that I am not the owner of said property.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187954 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Why even bring property rights into the picture, it doesn't change the ownership of the property.
If one didn't own the property it could be taken without any compensation.
If the right to compensation were not one of the rights bundled with other property rights, you wouldn't get compensated.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Property rights are granted by the society through the government. One of the most significant of property rights is the right to exclude: "keep off". If the property is zoned for eg., farming, the farmer is entitled to the benefits derived therefrom. If it's urban property the owner might not be able to keep a rooster on his land, it is not his right. You don't own the land; as owner you are the recipient of a set of rights which attach to the res.
BTW, fair market price under eminent domain is often a joke. I have seem instances where a big business in cahoots with a city partake of a land grab, the city gets what it wants, the business gets what it wants, and the property owners get screwed.
<quoted text>
TwoSoftware

Vällingby, Sweden

#187955 Apr 5, 2014
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Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187956 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Got Alzheimer's? According to Marxist theory, as you posted, socialism is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
<quoted text>
Evidently you didn't understand, I do not believe in Marxism as a form of government.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187957 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, if I don't pay my "personal property tax", I the owner can be relieved of my property, but that doesn't mean that I am not the owner of said property.
If you were really the owner of the property, you wouldn't need to pay rent to the government.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't pay your rent to the government, you the tenant, will be evicted and the property auctioned.
<quoted text>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187958 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>Evidently you didn't understand, I do not believe in Marxism as a form of government.
I understand perfectly that Mr. TeaHead cannot recall what he said. Mr. TeaHead posted a definition of socialism. He included the 3rd definition which is the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory. My point was that the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory is totally bogus. And if Mr. TeaHead does not agree, then that means he really does believe, at least in part, that Marxism has some credibility.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Got Alzheimer's? According to Marxist theory, as you posted, socialism is a transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
<quoted text>
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187959 Apr 5, 2014
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
You certainly nailed it Scrutiny and fascism is what is practiced in America with the façade of democracy and freedom.
==========
"We can have democracy in this country or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both."
--Louis Brandeis Supreme Court Justice / 1941
"The two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it."
--Edward Dowling
LMAO!!! When did this nation become a democracy? You and I both know we are a Constitutional Republic.
I find it amusing to hear people refer to the US as being a democracy, and I also find it amusing to hear people refer to US citizens as American citizens.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187960 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the whole point, "ownership" is an illusory misconception; you are granted a bundle of rights.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
<quoted text>
You need to check the 14th amendment, if I didn't own the property then due process would not be required.
Yep, local, state and federal could discover the property that I sit on.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187961 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! When did this nation become a democracy? You and I both know we are a Constitutional Republic.
I find it amusing to hear people refer to the US as being a democracy, and I also find it amusing to hear people refer to US citizens as American citizens.
democracy 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.

Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187962 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand perfectly that Mr. TeaHead cannot recall what he said. Mr. TeaHead posted a definition of socialism. He included the 3rd definition which is the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory. My point was that the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory is totally bogus. And if Mr. TeaHead does not agree, then that means he really does believe, at least in part, that Marxism has some credibility.
<quoted text>
And my point to socialism is that you lose the ability to hold personal property, this is contrary to the 14th amendment.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187963 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>You need to check the 14th amendment, if I didn't own the property then due process would not be required.
Yep, local, state and federal could discover the property that I sit on.
Due process is required to evict you if you don't pay your rent to the government. Due process is also required to evict a tenant from an apartment.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the whole point, "ownership" is an illusory misconception; you are granted a bundle of rights.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187965 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were really the owner of the property, you wouldn't need to pay rent to the government.
<quoted text>
I do not pay rent to the federal government, I pay "personal property tax" to the county in which I live.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187966 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
democracy 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language
You tell that to your representatives in DC.
Teahad

Wichita, KS

#187967 Apr 5, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Due process is required to evict you if you don't pay your rent to the government. Due process is also required to evict a tenant from an apartment.
<quoted text>
No, due process is used if I don't pay my personal property taxes, and yes due process is used if the tenants on my personal property do not pay their rent, but it hasn't ever gone that far.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187968 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>And my point to socialism is that you lose the ability to hold personal property, this is contrary to the 14th amendment.
That was your point? Is that a joke?

"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

Now where does Mr. TeaHead see "the right to hold property shall not be infringed" in the 14th Amendment? If you don't pay your rent to the state, you'll get your due process before they kick you off their land. Hee hee.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand perfectly that Mr. TeaHead cannot recall what he said. Mr. TeaHead posted a definition of socialism. He included the 3rd definition which is the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory. My point was that the definition of socialism according to Marxist theory is totally bogus. And if Mr. TeaHead does not agree, then that means he really does believe, at least in part, that Marxism has some credibility.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#187969 Apr 5, 2014
Teahad wrote:
<quoted text>You tell that to your representatives in DC.
Apparently Mr. Teahead cannot comprehend the meaning of "or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."

Do the Congress and President not exercise their power as the elected agents of the people under a free electoral system?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
democracy 1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language

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