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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Obskeptic

Novi, MI

#187327 Mar 27, 2014
Tinka wrote:
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They ? Would they be the Republicans?
What about pathological living...
For what exactly to happen to not fall into lies? Would he be one that needs the convincing?
Isn't it somewhat like Bush and his Word to give the ok for WAR?
What did he do, he let the people decide...
As it is written so in the COnstitutional LAW>>> ????
ISN"T IT?
I mean am I wrong in who they Govern instill that Confidence into them? To you have to consider in demand to vote is to taste a balance to availability and affordable...to sufficient enough...
When enough is enough....
Thats really deep Tinka.
Obskeptic

Novi, MI

#187328 Mar 27, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
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I am the number one cynic and skeptic on the planet when it comes to politics.
I know the corporate centrists Democrats like Obama and Clinton sold me out years ago.
You should take your own advice Skeptic and look in the mirror.
The people you refer to as socialist do not exists in Washington DC.
Obama reneged on just about everything and continued over 90% of all corporate rightwing Bush / Cheney failed and illegal policies.
I am certainly not a scientist and neither are you.
Scientist and Doctors are way above my pay grade and if somebody gets sick and needs an operation it is good to get a second and even a third opinion.
Most all Scientists agree about climate change so why should I put my trust in Exxon/Mobil or Rush Limbaugh to tell me what is really going on in this world?
I have a question for you Skeptic my friend: Because of the energy crisis in the 1970s President Carter put Solar Panels on the White House roof and Reagan had them removed.
Now if most Americans put solar panels on our roofs wouldn't that save us all money for gas/oil?
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Scientists Gather to Finalize Dire Warning for Planet's Climate Future
World's scientists meet in Japan to complete summary of report that paints bleak future if climate inaction continues / March 25, 2014 / http://tinyurl.com/kyuh879
The world's leading climate scientists gathered in Japan on Tuesday to begin hashing out the final details of a "grim" climate report, which both leaked drafts and those familiar with its contents say will call on policy makers to take immediate action or face a climate future that will otherwise be marked by widespread ecological and human catastrophe.
Of those harsh challenges, the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report—according to a draft version of the leaked earlier this year— will show that the four degrees Celsius rise that we are currently careening towards will undoubtedly cause increasing natural disasters, including: more violent storms, forest fires, devastating droughts, flooding, widespread hunger, disease, and a rise in ocean levels by up to a meter.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/03/...
So what your telling me is that we should turn over the reliability of our energy production and needs to the weather? That makes sense to you? Natural gas produces a far cheaper megawatt then wind and solar, and can produce that energy regardless of day or night, windy or not windy, extremely cold or hot, and you believe we should be at the whims of the weather?
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#187329 Mar 27, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
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So what your telling me is that we should turn over the reliability of our energy production and needs to the weather? That makes sense to you? Natural gas produces a far cheaper megawatt then wind and solar, and can produce that energy regardless of day or night, windy or not windy, extremely cold or hot, and you believe we should be at the whims of the weather?
Common sense tells me that the United States government is in bed with Big Oil / Big Energy so saving money on gas and oil with Solar Panels are out of the question.

(Unless you can afford Solar Panels).

Have you ever heard of Fracking? How about the myth of clean coal?

Which proves again both parties do not represent "We The People".

Obama voted with Bush and Cheney on this bill

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The Best Energy Bill Corporations Could Buy: Summary of Industry Giveaways in the 2005 Energy Bill / http://tinyurl.com/n7ofd

On August 8, 2005, President Bush signed into the law the energy bill; on July 28,the U.S. House of Representatives voted 275 to 156 to approve the energy bill; and on July 29, the U.S. Senate voted 74 to 26 to approve the energy bill.

Since 2001, energy corporations have showered federal politicians with $115 million in campaign contributions—with three-quarters of that amount going to Republicans. This cash helped secure energy companies and their lobbyists exclusive, private access to lawmakers, starting with Vice-President Dick Cheney’s Energy Task Force, whose report provided the foundation of the energy bill passed by Congress and signed by President Bush on August 8.
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_enviro_nuc...
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#187330 Mar 27, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yes, I have sinned in the past and will sin in the future. I try not to and when I slip up I RRR (Repair, Reform and Repent) it the best I can.
I also know we earn our angel wings here on Earth, one feather at a time. I probably have enough feathers for one wing by now and I pray God we be merciful to me when ever my day comes to be judged.
But I do disagree with you on the statement that "But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion". There are good Atheists too but truly good people do not do EVIL things"!
By the way, Honor thy Father and thy Mother is the 5th Commandment and things like "Thou shall not Murder (kill)" comes after that!
Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied:“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#187331 Mar 27, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Hmmm, do you think Nate Silver will be correct this election year?
[Nate] Silver Speaks. Democrats Despair.
The FiveThirtyEight whiz forecasts a Democratic defeat in 2014, and liberals are furious.
By David Weigel
On Sunday morning the simmering Democratic fear that Republicans might take over the Senate became real. Nate Silver had rendered his judgment and colored his charts. Months before, while others still saw Democrats holding the Senate, Silver had predicted that the 2014 election was a tossup. Nothing he has seen since has changed his mind. Republicans had recruited strong candidates, Barack Obama had gotten intimate with a 43 percent approval rating, and FiveThirtyEight remained skeptical of Democrats’ chances.“Our forecast might be thought of as a Republican gain of six seats,” wrote Silver,“plus or minus five.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politi...
Nate Silver is second too none IMO.

I suggest for you to continue to believe Fox News, Karl Rove, Dick Morris, and Rush 'From Drugs' Lying Corporatist Limbaugh.

ROTFL

LOL
Linktv org

Edison, NJ

#187332 Mar 27, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Why it was Obama who took our Space Shuttles out of service TWO years early. Our next generation manned space vehicles were suppose to be ready in 2016 (now looks like 2017). It was just like the USS Enterprise was suppose to remain in service until 2016 which the USS G. Ford was to be put in service in 2016 but Obama took it out because he wanted to spend the money "saved" on his pet progressive projects!
Yes, we could have maintained those remaining space shuttles and kept control of OUR ISS (90% of it was paid for by US taxpayers) but, oh no, we can count on OUR friends the Russians!!!
Why did the Republicans cut funding for Benghazi and all U.S. Embassies?

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The GOP’s embassy security problem
10/10/12 / http://tinyurl.com/obrns38

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight Committee, has scheduled a fairly high-profile hearing today on security lapses at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. There’s one nagging problem, however, that might cause Republicans some trouble.
For example, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a member of Issa’s committee, told Soledad O’Brien this morning that he expects to hear testimony about security that “didn’t meet the basic, minimum standards required for a facility such as the one we had in Benghazi.” Chaffetz added that policymakers have to “make sure it doesn’t happen in other places around the world.”
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-g...

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GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security
October 10, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/8dtbwbd

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.

Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said,“Absolutely“:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/...

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GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats
09/18/12 / http://tinyurl.com/9ajgehg

Republicans have sought to cut hundreds of millions of dollars slated for security at U.S. embassies and consulates since gaining control of the House in 2011.
Democrats are scrutinizing the GOP proposals in the wake of attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates in the Middle East, one of which saw Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans murdered.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/250237-gop-...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#187333 Mar 27, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Why did the Republicans cut funding for Benghazi and all U.S. Embassies?
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The GOP’s embassy security problem
10/10/12 / http://tinyurl.com/obrns38
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight Committee, has scheduled a fairly high-profile hearing today on security lapses at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. There’s one nagging problem, however, that might cause Republicans some trouble.
For example, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a member of Issa’s committee, told Soledad O’Brien this morning that he expects to hear testimony about security that “didn’t meet the basic, minimum standards required for a facility such as the one we had in Benghazi.” Chaffetz added that policymakers have to “make sure it doesn’t happen in other places around the world.”
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-g...
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GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security
October 10, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/8dtbwbd
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.
Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said,“Absolutely“:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/...
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GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats
09/18/12 / http://tinyurl.com/9ajgehg
Republicans have sought to cut hundreds of millions of dollars slated for security at U.S. embassies and consulates since gaining control of the House in 2011.
Democrats are scrutinizing the GOP proposals in the wake of attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates in the Middle East, one of which saw Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans murdered.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/250237-gop-...
Awaiting Republicans', birthers', Rogue's, Frank's, KFC GB's, Obskeptic's etc. comments on the above.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#187334 Mar 27, 2014
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Why did the Republicans cut funding for Benghazi and all U.S. Embassies?
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The GOP’s embassy security problem
10/10/12 / http://tinyurl.com/obrns38
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight Committee, has scheduled a fairly high-profile hearing today on security lapses at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya. There’s one nagging problem, however, that might cause Republicans some trouble.
For example, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), a member of Issa’s committee, told Soledad O’Brien this morning that he expects to hear testimony about security that “didn’t meet the basic, minimum standards required for a facility such as the one we had in Benghazi.” Chaffetz added that policymakers have to “make sure it doesn’t happen in other places around the world.”
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-g...
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GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security
October 10, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/8dtbwbd
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) said today that he voted to cut funding for U.S. embassy security amid political attacks from Republicans that the Obama administration did not do enough to secure the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya that was attacked last month.
Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack — which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya — suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds this morning on CNN, Chaffetz said,“Absolutely“:
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/...
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GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats
09/18/12 / http://tinyurl.com/9ajgehg
Republicans have sought to cut hundreds of millions of dollars slated for security at U.S. embassies and consulates since gaining control of the House in 2011.
Democrats are scrutinizing the GOP proposals in the wake of attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates in the Middle East, one of which saw Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans murdered.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/250237-gop-...
What you neglected to indicate was the funding actually increased year to year. The proposed budget was reduced not the actually spending

3 Pinocchio's for this claim...

.Barbara Boxer’s claim that GOP budgets hampered Benghazi security
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-chec...

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187335 Mar 27, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Tikk wrote:
Just hope we all remember this when Ted Cruz the Canadian-born citizen tries to run for President in 2016.
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Yes, but Ted Cruz's parents where both U.S. citizens at the time of his birth so he could have been born on Mars and still been a NBC.
My younger sister was born in Munich, Germany and she has a DS-1350. I hope Sen Cruz has one!
Birth of U.S. Citizens Abroad
A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240 [formerly a DS-1350 form], in the child’s name.
According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.
The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/eng...
None of the above would make him a "natural born" citizen as is required by the Constitution to be elected POTUS. He can be anything else, just not president.

However, he is married to the vice president of Goldman Sachs.(That is where Ted's health care comes from.)

That should trump the constitution fairly easily, I mean... the guy is LITERALLY married to wall street.

The other thing he has going for him is that besides defunding Obamacare, he has established no clear agenda...(save lame patriotic banter that both sides claim is exclusive to them)

Americans seem to like that.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187336 Mar 27, 2014
Your sister, like Cruz is a citizen of the US.

Not naturally born.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#187338 Mar 27, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
None of the above would make him a "natural born" citizen as is required by the Constitution to be elected POTUS. He can be anything else, just not president.
However, he is married to the vice president of Goldman Sachs.(That is where Ted's health care comes from.)
That should trump the constitution fairly easily, I mean... the guy is LITERALLY married to wall street.
The other thing he has going for him is that besides defunding Obamacare, he has established no clear agenda...(save lame patriotic banter that both sides claim is exclusive to them)
Americans seem to like that.
That is false since John McCain was not born in the US and legally ran for President.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187339 Mar 27, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
That is false since John McCain was not born in the US and legally ran for President.
It is not false. McCain is not a naturally born citizen either.

An agreement between the two camps was struck to just not bring it up.

That is why Hillary didn't burn both of them.(Obama in the primaries and McCain in the general)

Sneaking a few by us doesn't change the Constitution.

Natural born citizens don't need extensive forms and paperwork to establish citizenship.

Obama was a citizen regardless of where he was born.(His mother was a US citizen)
The difference between naturally born and just a regular citizen is a completely geographical one.

Obama born in Hawaii = NBC
Obama born in Kenya = Citizen

That is where the entire birther conspiracy theory comes from.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187340 Mar 27, 2014
You can't become a naturally born citizen... you are either born here or not.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#187341 Mar 27, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not false. McCain is not a naturally born citizen either.
An agreement between the two camps was struck to just not bring it up.
That is why Hillary didn't burn both of them.(Obama in the primaries and McCain in the general)
Sneaking a few by us doesn't change the Constitution.
Natural born citizens don't need extensive forms and paperwork to establish citizenship.
Obama was a citizen regardless of where he was born.(His mother was a US citizen)
The difference between naturally born and just a regular citizen is a completely geographical one.
Obama born in Hawaii = NBC
Obama born in Kenya = Citizen
That is where the entire birther conspiracy theory comes from.
Anyone could have challenged it in court not just the party's. And didn't

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#187342 Mar 27, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
You can't become a naturally born citizen... you are either born here or not.
Under Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the following as citizens of the United States upon birth… or natural born citizens:

Anyone born inside the United States. The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.(This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-bor...

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187343 Mar 27, 2014
I stand corrected... I was under the assumption that McCain's mother was a foreigner.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187344 Mar 27, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
Under Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the following as citizens of the United States upon birth… or natural born citizens:
Anyone born inside the United States. The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.(This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-bor...
So, Ted is qualified or not?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#187345 Mar 27, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
Under Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the following as citizens of the United States upon birth… or natural born citizens:
Anyone born inside the United States. The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.(This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.)
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-bor...
And if all this stands... How the hell were the birthers ever dreaming that Obama was not a NBC?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#187348 Mar 27, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
So, Ted is qualified or not?
Yes he is

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#187349 Mar 27, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
And if all this stands... How the hell were the birthers ever dreaming that Obama was not a NBC?
The birthers actually helped Obama by their radicalism. They made themselves easy targets. Sometimes I wonder if it was a false flag operation

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