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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#186924 Mar 21, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
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That sounds like a brilliant study. I think they may have got the percentage a bit low.
I knew a guy who went to Harvard. I ran his restaurant when I was a kid.(cooking is chemistry) Long before college. He was an italian guy and insisted upon making his own "house" dressing. I didn't think it was that great....whatever, I had other things to worry about.
One day I kind of freaked out because there was this giant glass bottle of italian dressing sitting on its cap about a foot over my head. Real thick glass. Tiny neck with a wide body.
I was in awe. Who in the hell would do such a thing? I decided the only logical conclusion was that one of my wait staff was trying to kill someone.
Well, the owner walks in while I am verbally accosting the present staff... and he interrupts me to admit to balancing this monstrosity 7 feet in the air.
That is when a Harvard graduate explained to me that he stored the bottle upside down so that the seasoning would not sink to the bottom.
I told him it was a fantastic idea, just put the bottle below eye level.
Wow.
OMG, I'm sorry, I thought it was a reply from Rougetard. The thing is that joke was written probably by a Yale graduate!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186925 Mar 21, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well dah, most of those involved where ....Christians. Bosnia Herzegovina have the highest percentage of MUSLIM (40%) which are the major source of violence in the former Yugoslavia. What percentage of the people in Afghanistan and Iraq are NOT Muslims?
In the U.S. crime rates are mostly racial as blacks are eight times more likely to commit violent crimes than non-blacks. And Liberals are ten times more likely to commit violent crimes than Conservatives too!
Rogue, best to stay out of ANY conversation except those that mention helicopters and little airplanes and pancake houses. Oh, and nice clean polite black families. The above post merits no response.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186926 Mar 21, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yes they did, in 1992. It was a two part war because Saddamn continued to ignore U.N. mandates!
"It was a two part war", HA HA, too funny.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186927 Mar 21, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Iraq Resolution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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President George Bush, surrounded by leaders of the House and Senate, announces the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq, October 2, 2002.
The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002,[1] Pub.L. 107–243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq.
What is wrong with you? Who here has contested Congress's declaration of war against Iraq? Deceptively so, and based on false premises, yes, but authorised nonetheless. We are talking UN resolution here, Rogue, and it was NOT passed in 1992 after Desert War,

Why do you keep twisting in the wind like that, looking like a poor scarecrow. Admit you were wrong, simple as that.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#186928 Mar 21, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
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There you go again. Relying on facts, history and the law vs Rouge's delusions, ignorance and hate. You're so overmatched - you probably should admit defeat and give up
Time to throw in the towel. I think it was Mark Twain (hee hee) who said arguing with faux conservatives like Rouge or Obskeptic is pointless.

Will Rougie Baby ask for a link?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186929 Mar 21, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
What does all of the above matter, Rogue? Clinton and his ministers and others you mention were in office for 8 years and none of them, specially not Clinton, invaded Iraq. Talk, talk, talk, no invasion, except by your idol GWB. Look at Iraq today. Admit, as bad as it was during Saddam's stewardship, it was heaven compared to today.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#186930 Mar 21, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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So, you don't deny that as far as social legislation goes, it's all progressive liberal blah blah blah and zilch Repub.
And, out of 12 of my points, you can only question THREE, and not one is correctly questioned. Well, well.
Point 4, I said 40 or less rather than 55. Oh, everyone also worked a 6-day week. Even civil servants. Who said below 30? You, that's who.You think the work force should return to 6-day, 50+ hour week? Incidentally, did you know Germans have a 35-hr work week, the shortest in the world? And who are amongst the top 5 producing workers in the world? You answer it.
Point 12. A greater percentage of Republicans. Sure...5 of 10 is a greater percetange than 14 of 30, just to give you an indication. Repubs across your fair land were united, whereas dems from the south had ZILCH to to with the federal Dems and you know it. Civil rights was a JFK-LBJ thing and you know it, initiated, I will gladly give him that, by Dwight Eisenhower with Selma desegragation.
Point 3 : Unions. Of course, shops are de-unioniozing, as the unions, like the companies, have gotten too fat, there is no denying that. A big big reform and reorganization of unions AND employers is warranted, and quickly. But, you cannot deny that most workers' rights, the most basic human ones, have been fostered by unions.
So, looks like my 12 points are good. Dems are people for people and Repubs are rich for rich. All for the big guy, ZILCH for the middle class.
Government employee unions should be illegal,since there is no profit margin to bargain against. Government employee unions are basically stealing money from the taxpayers. There is no need for unions today because there are already laws that require a safe work place. A large percentage of employees are working much less than 40 hours a week and would prefer to work more hours,thus making more money. Unlike Democrats and Union bosses, I believe in eight hours work for weight hours pay. The most important legislation for general health and welfare of the people was legislated by Republicans in the 1880's and 1890's , but most of those have been downgraded and basically repealed by liberals. Civil rights legislation was primarily an Eisenhower policy,not Kennedy/Johnson. It certainly is crazy tat CEO's earn 420 times as much as the average employee,but it is also silly for the average employee to be paying their union bosses millions of dollars. As far as Social Security and Medicare,Democrats have been stealing from those programs for five decades,but they haven't stolen as much as Obama has in the last five years. Those two programs are not perfect and subject to the honesty or lack thereof of bureaucrats. BTW: I have listed here on this forum many of the great accomplishments of The Republicans and they are much more impressive than any thing you could possibly post.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186931 Mar 21, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
But where is Barrack Obama on this list?
Fortune ranks the World's 50 Greatest Leaders - CNN Money
money.cnn.com/.../leadership/.../worlds-best-... ;
CNNMoney
by Geoff Colvin - in 64 Google+ circles
2 days ago - The World's 50 Greatest Leaders. In an era that feels starved for leadership, we've found men and women who will inspire you -- some famous,...
Again, you cannot draw the right conclusions from a headline that makes you drool. That list is a hodgepodge of personalities, very few politicians. You are not a discerning person and have not a clue as to the meaning of the word relevance.:Let's draw a few names from that list and we'll immediately clue in on why you don't understand the nature of the list. The following are all, according to your understanding, bigger and better leaders than Obama :

Bono. Bono? What??????
Derek Jeter? greater, more powerful than Obama?
Angélina Jolie? Do you know how she'd laugh that off? She's a great humanitarian, but c'mon
Swimming coach George Kennedy? More important than Obama?
Wynston Marsalis? Who can argue that he's one of the greatest jazzmen? But, in Obama's sphere?
Mayor of Barcelona? Great city. One of my favourites. Er, it's practically bankrupt.

==========

I know you, Rogue. You happened upon that list and first thing you did was see where Obama was on it. And I can just imagine the orgasmic joy that you felt when you didn't spot him on the list. WOW. Of course, you did not take the criteria for being on the list in consideration. Noooooo, Obama's not on it.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186932 Mar 21, 2014
wojar wrote:
But if you're a Birfoon, for "all intensive purposes" all that matters is that Mark Twain said there is no point in arguing with liberals.
Would that be because Twain believed Liberals were right?
Frank

Spokane, WA

#186933 Mar 21, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue Scholar wrote :
"Same with Geo. Washington who ordered his slaves freed after the death of his wife Martha who set them free right after Geo. Washington passed."
Er, who died first,who released who first? LOL
The founders legislated against slavery during the Continental Congress,before are country even passed The Declaration of Independence and before George Washington even became President. Most of the country never believed in slavery and our country was founded on the premise of freedom. BTW: The slave trade from slave traders was outlawed in the 1780's effective 1807.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186934 Mar 21, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And did Dubya subvert the Brits, Frenchies, Germans, Poles, Ruskies and the Israelis too? Oh, Congress investigated and did not come to that conclusion!!! You need to stop reading Spy vs. Spy in Mad magazine.
Again with the French , the Germans and the Russians agreeing with the WMDs fable and the invasion of Iraq? Why do you keep repeating that lie that YOU made up? It will not become true no matter how often you repeat it.

Show us where those three countries gave their approval. And don't tell me you've already done so as it never happened. You push your BS so far, you even say, no later than today, that Clinton invaded Yugoslavia. Totally nuts.

Oh, that list. Clinton's on it. Where's GWB?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186935 Mar 21, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And Britegirl was never bright.
And I like the way she writes Britegirl. Sounds like a steel scouring pad

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186937 Mar 21, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Government employee unions should be illegal,since there is no profit margin to bargain against. Government employee unions are basically stealing money from the taxpayers. There is no need for unions today because there are already laws that require a safe work place. A large percentage of employees are working much less than 40 hours a week and would prefer to work more hours,thus making more money. Unlike Democrats and Union bosses, I believe in eight hours work for weight hours pay. The most important legislation for general health and welfare of the people was legislated by Republicans in the 1880's and 1890's , but most of those have been downgraded and basically repealed by liberals. Civil rights legislation was primarily an Eisenhower policy,not Kennedy/Johnson. It certainly is crazy tat CEO's earn 420 times as much as the average employee,but it is also silly for the average employee to be paying their union bosses millions of dollars. As far as Social Security and Medicare,Democrats have been stealing from those programs for five decades,but they haven't stolen as much as Obama has in the last five years. Those two programs are not perfect and subject to the honesty or lack thereof of bureaucrats. BTW: I have listed here on this forum many of the great accomplishments of The Republicans and they are much more impressive than any thing you could possibly post.
It's late, or early, whatever. Your post is off-track from the first to the last word. Will reply tomorrow, will be so easy. Going to bed.Night.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186938 Mar 22, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG, I'm sorry, I thought it was a reply from Rougetard. The thing is that joke was written probably by a Yale graduate!
LOL... if only it were a joke.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#186939 Mar 22, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Time to throw in the towel. I think it was Mark Twain (hee hee) who said arguing with faux conservatives like Rouge or Obskeptic is pointless.

Will Rougie Baby ask for a link?
As Thomas Jefferson said "a wise man knows his limits".

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186940 Mar 22, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Government employee unions should be illegal,since there is no profit margin to bargain against. Government employee unions are basically stealing money from the taxpayers. There is no need for unions today because there are already laws that require a safe work place. A large percentage of employees are working much less than 40 hours a week and would prefer to work more hours,thus making more money. Unlike Democrats and Union bosses, I believe in eight hours work for weight hours pay. The most important legislation for general health and welfare of the people was legislated by Republicans in the 1880's and 1890's , but most of those have been downgraded and basically repealed by liberals. Civil rights legislation was primarily an Eisenhower policy,not Kennedy/Johnson. It certainly is crazy tat CEO's earn 420 times as much as the average employee,but it is also silly for the average employee to be paying their union bosses millions of dollars. As far as Social Security and Medicare,Democrats have been stealing from those programs for five decades,but they haven't stolen as much as Obama has in the last five years. Those two programs are not perfect and subject to the honesty or lack thereof of bureaucrats. BTW: I have listed here on this forum many of the great accomplishments of The Republicans and they are much more impressive than any thing you could possibly post.
Okay, here we are, and the debunking and ridiculizing thus begins :

1. You wrote : "Government employee unions should be illegal,since there is no profit margin to bargain against. Government employee unions are basically stealing money from the taxpayers." How looney-tooney. Who do you think got the too-long work week reduced, who got benefits like pensions, health care, maternity leave, vacations etc for government employees? All luxuries you'll say, but many, including non-gov't workers who would like the same benefits, don't agree. And take away the unions - you'll see, back to the good ole pre-1940s employers' paradise. Just look at government "contracting out" which is done to avoid benefits heretofore listed. And there is nothing the unions can do about it. No benefits and termination of contracts at a few days' notice.

2. Can you show me where gov't employees, or any other employees, have expressed the wish to work longer hours? Yes, some have, and do. Why? Because their regular pay is not sufficient to make ends meet, simple.

3. You wrote : "The most important legislation for general health and welfare of the people was legislated by Republicans in the 1880's and 1890's , but most of those have been downgraded and basically repealed by liberals" A) I referred to the years post-1900. Prior to that, the Republicans were the Democrats of the day - fighting and dismantling monopolies, etc. That's all changed now, roles have been reversed, specially since JFK. Oh,btw,Truman , a Democrat, integrated the armed forces in 1947, way before 1960 Apart from breaking up monopolies, please indicate the social advantages legislated by Republicans before 1900, thank you..Also indicate when and where Democrats struck down the pre-1900 Repub social legislation.

4. I agree that Eisenhower was one of the architects of civil rights, as illustrated by the Selma school integration enforced by sending in of the national guard. President Eisenhower was a most decent man. Oh, btw, he played more golf than Obama.

5. Do you think that union bosses, unfair as it may be, make more and profit more from employee than CEOs and their ill? Really? Speak to the folks at Enron, etc.

6. Please indicate Obama's run of stealing in the last 5 years. you keep repeating that old refrain, but you still haven't come up with anything.

7. Please list once more (I must have missed them) "the many of the great accomplishments of The Republicans". Take your time.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186941 Mar 22, 2014
For Rogue - and it's on slaves. You were right, I was wrong. Just read a paper on "slavery" at the time when Canada (Upper and Lower Canada) was a British Colony. Slavery was abolished in the UK in 1833s. Prior to that, U.K. immigrants to the Canadian colony were allowed to keep their slaves, a sort of shameful "grandfathering". So, until the British abolished slavery in 1833,'grandfathered" slaves were allowed in what was then all British colonies, not just Canada.

Canada became a nation in 1867, 30 odd years after slavery was abolished all over the British Empire.

You see, Rogue, you were right, I was wrong. Does it hurt to say I erred? Nope. I just erred.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186942 Mar 22, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
They (Congress) relied on misleading reports from the CIA which Dumbya had insisted upon. Pathetic. Dumbya subverted the CIA to provide false analyses in the same way Stalin forced the NKGB to produce intelligence reports to conform to his paranoid delusions.
Telling is a memorandum from Gorbachev on "the impermissibility of distortions of the factual state of affairs in messages and informational reports sent to the Central Committee of the CPSU and other ruling bodies."
Amazing, Gorby was trying to get reliable information, trying to get away from sycophantic reporting, and Bush, later was moving toward sycophantic reporting where intelligence reports should be tailored to the predisposition of the head of state.
I think if Bush would have said what was really going on he would have had a much better case. And would certainly be looked more favorable upon... hell, if he would have told the truth... there is a strong possibility the GOP would still be running the show. And we would in all probability STILL support the war there.(Because in all reality we should.)

What Bush should have said...(Not afraid of Muslims version)

"The people who attacked America on 9-11 were not part of a nation, but an ideal. In the Middle East, aggressive Muslim factions are present and strong in nearly every country. Some of which they are in complete control of. And they share these ideals. They don't recognize things like boarders in the Middle East, they believe it is all one big Islamic caliphate.
We were attacked by people who view us as the antithesis of what society should be. Our women are empowered, our ideas are unregulated, and we need kneel to no man. We are a threat not only to their ideas, but their god itself. And we can not guarantee we won't be targeted again.
They do it for reward. We have seen it in their manifesto's and video's. This isn't about hate, they consider themselves ordained to do these barbaric acts to inherit paradise in an afterlife. And to them, we are ALL equally worthy targets as our fallen brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers in our trade centers and on those four planes.
We will deny them their caliphate. We are going to set up a free democratic republic right in the middle of it all. And we are going to help them and protect them for as long as it takes. We will also combat any rising Muslim extremist groups in the area to preserve liberty in a place that it will soon surely become extinct."

Why target Iraq?

1. First and most obvious reason Saddam himself. He should have been removed after desert storm. We had decided in 1998 through unanimous vote that it would be our business to remove his regime.

2. There are 4 conditions under which a Country can be told their sovereignty is over.

a. Repeated aggression against neighboring states.
b. Fooling around with the non-proliferation treaties.
c. Harboring gangsters and international terrorist.
d. Genocide.(In which case we are FORCED to act by treaty)

Iraq was guilty of all four, numerous times...(which is what lead to the Iraqi Freedom Act cited in #1)

Need I go on? We had every reason we needed.

It was media theater, administrative incompetence, the military industrial complex not knowing when to close the cookie jar and above all... hiding our intended purpose from the public that has tested our resolve.

I seriously think Bush would be remembered far differently if he would have had the balls to offend religious people.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186943 Mar 22, 2014
While you guys are throwing around quotes... dying words have always interested me.

Oscar Wilde I believe has my favorite. His wit was undeniable.

His last words...

"Either this wallpaper goes, or I do."
Obskeptic

Novi, MI

#186945 Mar 22, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
Rouge you have no right or any one else have no righ to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her own body. That is the problem with the conservatives. They inpose thei noral views on others. Like same sex couples can't marry or a woman can't a abortions.
<quoted text>
I couldn't have said it any better!
Thanks Rogue. So as the 2014 election strategies get formulated by both parties, reports suggest that the democrats have a sure fire campaign platform that will most certainly resonate with their sophisticated and highly educated base. Harry Reid is planning on blaming everything thats going wrong on the Koch brothers, including blocking aid to the Ukraine. Surprise!! Thats a winner fer' sure. That kind of brilliance must make them all so proud to be democrats.

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