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“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186744 Mar 19, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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You wrote, yes, you incredibly wrote : "This is for you Libtards who are Big Bang Deniers!". Really? Aren't you the one who preaches that the universe, not just the earth, the universe, is give or take 1000 years , 6000 years old? That dinosaurs roamed the earth with human beings? That the couple that started populating the earth are, scoff, scoff, guffaw, laughing hysterically, Adam and Eve? After all that, you come out with "This is for you Libtards who are Big Bang Deniers!" - Tell me it's a joke, that you're chain-yanking, puhlease.
You've been away more than usual. I missed you. At least you're constant. Nary a surprise with you.
I am never going to get over the one about the planet god lives on has only orbited it's star 6-8,000 times. On the rare occasion I do request telescope time anymore, I look for new planets. Well, my computers do anyhow. If I am ever told my data has produced a planet that takes a ridiculously long time to orbit... there will be a real planet out there in a far off solar system called "Rougesphere A-O"

And I am not telling a soul why.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186745 Mar 19, 2014
I may even spell it correctly.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#186746 Mar 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Was Mark Twain talking about Classic Liberals who are truly open-minded or Social Liberals (Progressives, Socialist, etc.) who are closed-minded bigots?
You do know there are more false Twain quotes than genuine?
wojar

Bristol, CT

#186747 Mar 19, 2014
Or should I pull a Rouge and say "90% of Twain quotes are falsely attributed."
Learn to Read

United States

#186748 Mar 19, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
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Tell me, what makes you so different from me? Why can't I share a political party with you? I don't comprehend the "deal breaker".

I took your test, and it said I am dead center libertarian.
You are a progressive liberal.

What is my flaw?
You aren't angry enough to be admitted to the tree house, and if you're not in then that makes you the enemy.
Learn to Read

United States

#186749 Mar 19, 2014
BTW - W and S - thanks for the laughs at Rouge's expense this AM. Sure he's a non-moving (if unstable) target, but still - Double BullsEyes!
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#186750 Mar 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Was Mark Twain talking about Classic Liberals who are truly open-minded or Social Liberals (Progressives, Socialist, etc.) who are closed-minded bigots?
A liberal from the 1800's is not the same liberal we have today Rogue. The first and last quotes were Mark Twain. The quip in the middle was actually my own based on my experiences engaging modern liberals in dialogue. Jefferson identified himself as a liberal, but would find todays version something as repulsive as slavery, even though he was an "owner".
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#186751 Mar 19, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
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Gee. When I read (well to be honest ignore) page after page of Jercque's Puff Windbaugh-like us v them label spew I just laugh. But after seeing the same load of crap from you I'm convinced. It is time to choose up sides and go to the mattresses!
Let's get it on!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#186752 Mar 19, 2014
Jim Oberweis wins GOP nomination for US Senate
WLS – Chicago 2:42 mins

State Sen. Jim Oberweis' victory Tuesday over Doug Truax sends him on to a November matchup with Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate.

Since: May 10

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#186753 Mar 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Was Mark Twain talking about Classic Liberals who are truly open-minded or Social Liberals (Progressives, Socialist, etc.) who are closed-minded bigots?
Obskeptic wrote:
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A liberal from the 1800's is not the same liberal we have today Rogue. The first and last quotes were Mark Twain. The quip in the middle was actually my own based on my experiences engaging modern liberals in dialogue. Jefferson identified himself as a liberal, but would find todays version something as repulsive as slavery, even though he was an "owner".
Yet slavery was an institution thing back then and he inherited the concept. Yes, Jefferson was a slave owner but he was also anti-slavery and treated his slaves comparatively well.

Thomas Jefferson and Slavery

Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery his whole life. Calling it a “moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,” he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation. Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.

At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories. But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.

http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#186754 Mar 19, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
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A liberal from the 1800's is not the same liberal we have today Rogue. The first and last quotes were Mark Twain.
Is he as sure of the Twain attributions as he was that "Columbia University reports that the media is left wing"?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186755 Mar 19, 2014
wojar wrote:
Or should I pull a Rouge and say "90% of Twain quotes are falsely attributed."
Much like Churchill quotes,and this one I love, true or not :

Winston is in the House of Commons restroom, he's urinating and in come Atlee and Bevan. As he spots them, Churchill immediately moves away to the last urinal. Atlee : "Winston,why are you shying away from us like that?" And ever rapier-like wit Churchill's reply : "Anytime you goddamn socialists see anything good, you want to nationalize it".
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#186756 Mar 19, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Is he as sure of the Twain attributions as he was that "Columbia University reports that the media is left wing"?
Just as sure as I am what an subjective ass you are Woj.
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#186757 Mar 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Was Mark Twain talking about Classic Liberals who are truly open-minded or Social Liberals (Progressives, Socialist, etc.) who are closed-minded bigots?
<quoted text>
Yet slavery was an institution thing back then and he inherited the concept. Yes, Jefferson was a slave owner but he was also anti-slavery and treated his slaves comparatively well.
Thomas Jefferson and Slavery
Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery his whole life. Calling it a “moral depravity” and a “hideous blot,” he believed that slavery presented the greatest threat to the survival of the new American nation. Jefferson also thought that slavery was contrary to the laws of nature, which decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. These views were radical in a world where unfree labor was the norm.
At the time of the American Revolution, Jefferson was actively involved in legislation that he hoped would result in slavery’s abolition. In 1778, he drafted a Virginia law that prohibited the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784, he proposed an ordinance that would ban slavery in the Northwest territories. But Jefferson always maintained that the decision to emancipate slaves would have to be part of a democratic process; abolition would be stymied until slaveowners consented to free their human property together in a large-scale act of emancipation. To Jefferson, it was anti-democratic and contrary to the principles of the American Revolution for the federal government to enact abolition or for only a few planters to free their slaves.
http://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and...
Don't confuse the clown class with facts about what kind of man Jefferson was Rogue, or what an early liberal was either. They are all smarter then he was, and would never have owned a slave even if they were alive back then and were a farmer. Wouldn't have mattered to them that much of the world was engaged in the practice.

Since: May 10

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#186758 Mar 19, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Since 1900, social progressive liberals have :
1. halted child labour;
2. enfranchised women;
3. encouraged founding of unions;
4. shortened the work week from over 55 hrs to less than 40;
5. instituted annual paid vacations which sadly are still the briefest in the industrialised world;
6. created a safer work place;
7. legislated social security;
8. legislated unemployment benefits;
9. though there is still much to be done, have legislated women's rights at home and in the workplace;
10. legislated antiquated and unpaid maternity leave, IN THE 1990s, imagine that, not perfect as the Repubs refused to approve PAID maternity leave, but better than nothing. Before 1992, women who got pregnant could be rightfully terminated by employer;
11. Some form of Medicare, health care and Obamacare. Compared to more developed countries, U.S. health care model, including Obamacare, harks back to the 19th century. But hey, still better than nothing and, as usual, enacted by those damn progressive liberals.
12. Civil rights
Above list is not complete . at all --- but it'll do for now.
Now, let us review social programmes FOR THE PEOPLE as enacted by Republicans :
Er, hmm, let me see...can I get back to you later? Oh, I found one. Tax cuts for the rich. The "trickling down" effect to the Bahamas and Zurich was wonderful. And...,hmmmm, yes,"leave no child behind" ...hmmm, good plan, oh,someone forgot to fund it. Hey, they keep coming, how about tax rebates for companies wanting to locate offshore? Repubs defeated a bill to abolish it. Yeeeeh, House repubs. More legislation FOR the people by Repubs and CONservatives later.
Ah, not all Republicans are CONSERVATIVES. In fact the Country Club RINOs run the GOP.
Again, a greater percentage of REPUBLICANS voted for the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and the Voter Rights Act of 1965!!!

Since: May 10

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#186759 Mar 19, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
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Don't confuse the clown class with facts about what kind of man Jefferson was Rogue, or what an early liberal was either. They are all smarter then he was, and would never have owned a slave even if they were alive back then and were a farmer. Wouldn't have mattered to them that much of the world was engaged in the practice.
Do you think Thomas Jefferson would approve of abortions? Oh, that is really enlightening ...... killing human beans!!!
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#186760 Mar 19, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Much like Churchill quotes,and this one I love, true or not :
Winston is in the House of Commons restroom, he's urinating and in come Atlee and Bevan. As he spots them, Churchill immediately moves away to the last urinal. Atlee : "Winston,why are you shying away from us like that?" And ever rapier-like wit Churchill's reply : "Anytime you goddamn socialists see anything good, you want to nationalize it".
I prefer the one where he supposedly stated, "to be 20 and not liberal you have no heart. To be 40 and not conservative you have no brain."
But then there are so many good ones, like this.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
Obskeptic

Grand Blanc, MI

#186761 Mar 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Do you think Thomas Jefferson would approve of abortions? Oh, that is really enlightening ...... killing human beans!!!
I think he would have considered a failure of the human condition. Killing a man guilty of crimes is one thing, but what crime has the innocent unborn committed that is deserving of death?

Since: May 10

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#186762 Mar 19, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Do you think Thomas Jefferson would approve of abortions? Oh, that is really enlightening ...... killing human beans!!!
Obskeptic wrote:
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I think he would have considered a failure of the human condition. Killing a man guilty of crimes is one thing, but what crime has the innocent unborn committed that is deserving of death?
That's my point. A Social Liberal would not stop for one second to do a late-term abortion on a teenager while a Classic Liberal would think three or four times before doing even an early term abortion.
Thomas Jefferson may have been a slave owner, but he treated his slaves relatively well and was seeking ways to end slavery. Same with Geo. Washington who ordered his slaves freed after the death of his wife Martha who set them free right after Geo. Washington passed.

Since: May 10

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#186763 Mar 19, 2014
Has anyone heard any good Obama jokes lately?
I certainly haven't. All the Obama jokes I hear are way to scary to repeat.

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