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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#186691 Mar 18, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
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Where again is the "I have a pen and a phone" clause in the constitution Woj? Or maybe the clause where he is granted the power to change a law at his discretion over 35 times without the consent of congress? Yeah, he's a constitutional scholar alright. His brilliance really shines through when the TelPrompTer gets turned off. The same one he needed to speak to a class of elementary school students.
And the flunky who knows jack sh-- about executive branch discretion demonstrates his sheer ignorance again.

“In deciding whether a given agency delay is reasonable, current law tells courts to consider whether expedited action could adversely affect ‘higher or competing’ agency priorities, and whether other interests could be "prejudiced by the delay.’”

"Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency's presumptively superior grasp of "the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities." Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities." The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend."

http://tinyurl.com/n2ka23o
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
A Columbia professor said he was brilliant, some of his fellow students said he participated well in academic discussions. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was a lecturer in Constitutional Law at U Chicago. But a flunky from the Midwest has decided that he is average until he sees his grades. The old birfoon "I'm right until I get the particular poof I want." Pathetic.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#186692 Mar 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And the flunky who knows jack sh-- about executive branch discretion demonstrates his sheer ignorance again.
“In deciding whether a given agency delay is reasonable, current law tells courts to consider whether expedited action could adversely affect ‘higher or competing’ agency priorities, and whether other interests could be "prejudiced by the delay.’”
"Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency's presumptively superior grasp of "the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities." Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities." The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend."
http://tinyurl.com/n2ka23o
<quoted text>
Brilliant Woj! So what your citing is the reality that it took over two hundred years and the "modern court" to find that sweet little kernel in the text our founding fathers wrote for us. I'm sure Madison and Jefferson would be in absolute agreement with you all on that one. Checks and balances, what were those again? Maybe we should ask Sheila Jackson Lee. As for you and Jacques, the fact you can't see what has become of "journalism" and the free press is your own ignorance, not mine. Maybe you should get rid of the rose colored glasses or turn the the telescope back around the correct way.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#186693 Mar 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And the flunky who knows jack sh-- about executive branch discretion demonstrates his sheer ignorance again.
“In deciding whether a given agency delay is reasonable, current law tells courts to consider whether expedited action could adversely affect ‘higher or competing’ agency priorities, and whether other interests could be "prejudiced by the delay.’”
"Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency's presumptively superior grasp of "the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities." Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities." The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend."
http://tinyurl.com/n2ka23o
<quoted text>
I hope the day arrives that a republican has the nut sack to pull this crap back on you guys, but since they are all cowards I will not be holding my breath. Dictatorship is cool with you as long as he's your dictator. All hail the king! King Obama!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#186694 Mar 18, 2014
Jacques,
There is nothing like a missing jetliner or upheaval in the Crimean peninsula to put the war in Syria on the back burner.

Did you know that GPS tracking of ocean-going vessels and container cargo is commonplace in the shipping industry?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#186695 Mar 18, 2014
Jacques,
There are people out there in cyberspace who are actually entertaining the idea that missing Flight 370 might be due to alien abduction.
This is another all-time low for aviation history.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186696 Mar 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Your long-winded presentation can easily be resumed in these words, YOUR words : "Funny how you all plainly recognize evil when it is coming from the other side of the fence."
It's hilarious. I'm surprised, I admit it. Surprised that you cannot distinguish between "evil" and "moronic". You see, I never spoke or even hinted "evil" when qualifying the tea party. I 've always spoken incompetence, stupidity, hate and spiteful. Add moronic. Evil? So be it, if that's how you want to label progressives - it's easy, gratis and untrue. Nonetheless, far better "evil" as it's less dangerous than the 4 aforementioned tea party traits. Oh, I forgot. Intelligence, smarts, two unknown tea party qualities - and plenty around for progressives.
Reid to Boehner, Soros to Rove? Have you blown a casket?
Lastly, and this is disturbing, teaming me with Obskeptic and the 10 black balls? Shows that a superior scientific brain, namely yours, will often lack a basic knowledge of human nature. We've been cool, you and me, in spite of some reasonable disagreements. I can't figure why the unexpected insults.
Never intended to insult anyone J.

And maybe "the combination of greed and unfettered corruption" may more accurately describe what I tagged as "evil" however, I can state that I do consider them "evil" when weighed against who they are supposed to be.

Child molesters are a diverse group, but there is something especially sinister about one in a position of trust. A teacher, clergyman, cop or even a family member.

Our elected officials are entrusted by us to do our will... reality couldn't be further away.

The metaphor of the black balls was to illustrate that you both have a case. And as long as you guys were knocking off politicians from the other side of the fence... I trust that we wouldn't lose anyone worth keeping.

Maybe my faculties do work a bit differently, it wouldn't be even within the first hundred times I have heard it. I don't think that changes anything at all. You would all arrive at the same conclusion if you could shut out the world the media has painted.

You guys act like you couldn't share a room without violence erupting, but in reality... if you just happened to be put together by chance... say, next to each other at a bar. You would quickly realize you are more alike than you know.

Your average tea party member is NOT screaming "Traitor!" and "Communist!!" at a Sarah Palin rally. They are simple libertarians that are tired of having to go it alone. They want individual freedoms, and for the budget to be figured out with the money we have rather than the money we can borrow. They aren't asking for anything we didn't already have, and universal healthcare won't be an issue at all when they are depending on progressive liberal numbers.

They are just people. You are just exposed daily to birthers, who are an exceedingly small minority. It has affected you.(infected may be a better word)

But take heart. These people on the other side of the fence are your neighbors. The lunatics get play on television, they make for the best entertainment.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#186697 Mar 18, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
S - while I generally agree with your sentiment I can only shake my head at the futility of talking about trying to find common ground to a gaggle of fools who view absolutely every issue through a myopic "us v them" lens. At the end of the day blind party loyalty trumps sanity
Yeah... every once in a while I seriously overestimate capacity for critical thinking.

I am convinced that America will come to an end very soon.(High probability anyways)

Whether, it come from economic collapse (which is imminent) or another form of breakdown that isn't so immediately obvious.

There could be no hell worse than our current form of govt picking up the pieces to make another run at it.

There are very simple solutions that would reign us back into a Jeffersonian type govt.

But if people really think what is wrong with America is the only opposing political party... by definition you aren't American at all. There are lots of single party countries you can look up too. Like North Korea, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Cuba.
Learn to Read

United States

#186698 Mar 18, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah... every once in a while I seriously overestimate capacity for critical thinking.

I am convinced that America will come to an end very soon.(High probability anyways)

Whether, it come from economic collapse (which is imminent) or another form of breakdown that isn't so immediately obvious.

There could be no hell worse than our current form of govt picking up the pieces to make another run at it.

There are very simple solutions that would reign us back into a Jeffersonian type govt.

But if people really think what is wrong with America is the only opposing political party... by definition you aren't American at all. There are lots of single party countries you can look up too. Like North Korea, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Cuba.
What can I say except I agree with you much more than I disagree - and unlike far too many, that fact doesn't cause me any distress

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186699 Mar 18, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Never intended to insult anyone J.
And maybe "the combination of greed and unfettered corruption" may more accurately describe what I tagged as "evil" however, I can state that I do consider them "evil" when weighed against who they are supposed to be.
Child molesters are a diverse group, but there is something especially sinister about one in a position of trust. A teacher, clergyman, cop or even a family member.
Our elected officials are entrusted by us to do our will... reality couldn't be further away.
The metaphor of the black balls was to illustrate that you both have a case. And as long as you guys were knocking off politicians from the other side of the fence... I trust that we wouldn't lose anyone worth keeping.
Maybe my faculties do work a bit differently, it wouldn't be even within the first hundred times I have heard it. I don't think that changes anything at all. You would all arrive at the same conclusion if you could shut out the world the media has painted.
You guys act like you couldn't share a room without violence erupting, but in reality... if you just happened to be put together by chance... say, next to each other at a bar. You would quickly realize you are more alike than you know.
Your average tea party member is NOT screaming "Traitor!" and "Communist!!" at a Sarah Palin rally. They are simple libertarians that are tired of having to go it alone. They want individual freedoms, and for the budget to be figured out with the money we have rather than the money we can borrow. They aren't asking for anything we didn't already have, and universal healthcare won't be an issue at all when they are depending on progressive liberal numbers.
They are just people. You are just exposed daily to birthers, who are an exceedingly small minority. It has affected you.(infected may be a better word)
But take heart. These people on the other side of the fence are your neighbors. The lunatics get play on television, they make for the best entertainment.
Linear thought,(item by item, no reasoning allowed) or for the masses, tunnel vision. You. Proof of that is part of your response, namely : "You guys act like you couldn't share a room without violence erupting, but in reality... if you just happened to be put together by chance... say, next to each other at a bar. You would quickly realize you are more alike than you know. " Violence? Me? When's that? It's wrong, totally off-key. I've been called names, some not very complimentary, sworn at, threatened with expulsion, with violence, foul language and even death. I've never ever used that kind of language, and when occasionally I do use a mild insult (moron, stupid , Larry etc come to mind), it is always relevant to what I've replied and written, it is not "gratis" or ad hominem. To a brilliant scientist like you, and I mean that with sincerity, I would just say that not everything appears what you wish it to be nor is it always black on white.

CON LTR put me in the same bag as Rogue. Not a compliment.
You put me in the same bag as Obskeptic. Makes the above appear like a compliment.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186700 Mar 18, 2014
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah... every once in a while I seriously overestimate capacity for critical thinking.
I am convinced that America will come to an end very soon.(High probability anyways)
Whether, it come from economic collapse (which is imminent) or another form of breakdown that isn't so immediately obvious.
There could be no hell worse than our current form of govt picking up the pieces to make another run at it.
There are very simple solutions that would reign us back into a Jeffersonian type govt.
But if people really think what is wrong with America is the only opposing political party... by definition you aren't American at all. There are lots of single party countries you can look up too. Like North Korea, Mexico, China, Vietnam and Cuba.
You : "
There are very simple solutions that would reign us back into a Jeffersonian type govt. "

You mean like owning slaves and abusing their women? I doubt it.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#186701 Mar 18, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Brilliant Woj! So what your citing is the reality that it took over two hundred years and the "modern court" to find that sweet little kernel in the text our founding fathers wrote for us. I'm sure Madison and Jefferson would be in absolute agreement with you all on that one. Checks and balances, what were those again? Maybe we should ask Sheila Jackson Lee. As for you and Jacques, the fact you can't see what has become of "journalism" and the free press is your own ignorance, not mine. Maybe you should get rid of the rose colored glasses or turn the the telescope back around the correct way.
Madison?

Whine, moan, piss, the ignorant fool seems to believe that judicial review was invented in the 20th century. He might check out Marbury v. Madison (1803).

Meanwhile ignorami scream "activist courts" but decry deference in judicial review even though it is a matter of judicial restraint.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And the flunky who knows jack sh-- about executive branch discretion demonstrates his sheer ignorance again.
“In deciding whether a given agency delay is reasonable, current law tells courts to consider whether expedited action could adversely affect ‘higher or competing’ agency priorities, and whether other interests could be "prejudiced by the delay.’”
"Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency's presumptively superior grasp of "the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities." Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities." The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend."
http://tinyurl.com/n2ka23o
Learn to Read

United States

#186702 Mar 18, 2014
Ahh. I see that the moron who fantasizes that calling someone a Conservative is the ultimate insult has declared himself to be completely absent of tunnel vision.

And my point is proven yet again.

Matthew 7:5

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#186703 Mar 18, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope the day arrives that a republican has the nut sack to pull this crap back on you guys, but since they are all cowards I will not be holding my breath. Dictatorship is cool with you as long as he's your dictator. All hail the king! King Obama!
And the fool thinks that federal agencies under Republican administrations were not recipients of deference from the courts for the past 30 years per Chevron USA v Natural Resources Defense Council? Blithering nonsense.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And the flunky who knows jack sh-- about executive branch discretion demonstrates his sheer ignorance again.
“In deciding whether a given agency delay is reasonable, current law tells courts to consider whether expedited action could adversely affect ‘higher or competing’ agency priorities, and whether other interests could be "prejudiced by the delay.’”
"Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency's presumptively superior grasp of "the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities." Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an "agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities." The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend."
http://tinyurl.com/n2ka23o
<quoted text>
Learn to Read

United States

#186704 Mar 18, 2014
Wojar. Good try but your facts and history and law and stuff are no match for ignorance, hate and propaganda

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186705 Mar 18, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
Ahh. I see that the moron who fantasizes that calling someone a Conservative is the ultimate insult has declared himself to be completely absent of tunnel vision.
And my point is proven yet again.
Matthew 7:5
See what I meant in my last post relative to ad hominem?- thrown when perplexed and nonplussed with absolutely no relevance to the subject at hand. Hypocrite you say? Poor CONservative knee-jerk John Bircher . Need I again remind you of the definition of CON? How well it fits your sorry ass,

Quoting the scriptures, now, NRA gun in hand, bestowing what you are onto others, to wit,

"Hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." . How ironic - and you dare speak of hypocrisy. Don't get between Scrutiny and me, as you just don't measure up. Study "Rogue" by your intellectual mentor, Palin

Yes, quoting the scriptures.The nadir of hypocrisy. You'll surely burn in hell for that LMAO (LTR-LRS tm reg'd).

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#186706 Mar 18, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
Wojar. Good try but your facts and history and law and stuff are no match for ignorance, hate and propaganda
For once I agree. No match for you and your ilk.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#186707 Mar 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Linear thought,(item by item, no reasoning allowed) or for the masses, tunnel vision. You. Proof of that is part of your response, namely : "You guys act like you couldn't share a room without violence erupting, but in reality... if you just happened to be put together by chance... say, next to each other at a bar. You would quickly realize you are more alike than you know. " Violence? Me? When's that? It's wrong, totally off-key. I've been called names, some not very complimentary, sworn at, threatened with expulsion, with violence, foul language and even death. I've never ever used that kind of language, and when occasionally I do use a mild insult (moron, stupid , Larry etc come to mind), it is always relevant to what I've replied and written, it is not "gratis" or ad hominem. To a brilliant scientist like you, and I mean that with sincerity, I would just say that not everything appears what you wish it to be nor is it always black on white.
CON LTR put me in the same bag as Rogue. Not a compliment.
You put me in the same bag as Obskeptic. Makes the above appear like a compliment.
I think you meant to say bar Jacques, but I could be wrong. Its certainly not my place to think I could ever correct someone at your level of intellectual advancement, or Woj for that matter. When I grow up, I want to be just as outraged as you guys are. In the meantime, I will simply have to settle for contentment and bliss. If only your insults meant something, but you have me mistaken for someone who gives a crap about what you think. There is nothing more exciting then politics and religion.
Learn to Read

United States

#186708 Mar 18, 2014
With apologies to Mr Schultz:

"Once we know what you're afraid of, we can label it".

Poor little Jercque is going to need a lot of nickels.
Learn to Read

United States

#186709 Mar 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>For once I agree. No match for you and your ilk.
And Jercque reminds us all gaff ignorance, hatred and propaganda flow in both directions.

Sorry moron. You choose to live blindly in an "us v them" world. I choose to laugh at you.
Learn to Read

United States

#186710 Mar 18, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>And Jercque reminds us all gaff ignorance, hatred and propaganda flow in both directions.

Sorry moron. You choose to live blindly in an "us v them" world. I choose to laugh at you.
Gaff? How did auto-type get gaff from "that". Oh well. The meaning wasn't lost and it just gives Jercque one more meaningless item to whine about

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