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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185078 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! wojar, it is by blood line, nothing you can do about it, we practice the same. Which brings us back to a dual-citizen status, no better than a naturalized citizen.
You can have the last word, I have done pissed in your cornflakes!
Blood line?

“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”–James Madison

“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, THAT EVERY PERSON OWES A NATURAL ALLEGIANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THAT COUNTRY IN WHICH HE IS BORN. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection… The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.” Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut: in six books, Volumes 1-2 of A System of the Laws of the State of Connecticut: In Six Book, pg. 163,167 (1795)

Dufus Dale's feeblemindedness is what is by blood line.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Dufus cannot read.
I don't see where Dufus quotes wherein it is the inherent right of any nation to have their law supersede US law within the boundaries of the United States.
According to US law, born in the US = US citizen. Foreign law has no force or effect in the US. Foreign law having no force or effect is not 'stripping citizenship', MORON. The foreign country can think whatever they want but it has no legal force in the US.
Get a clue!
<quoted text>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185079 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! wojar, did you forget what you posted?
Yep, what is that word you use (ALZHEIMER'S)!!!!
I didn't forget what I posted.

Now please point to one statement wherein I uttered a single word to God.

Moron.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you see me talking to God? Eh?
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#185080 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Nice try, but the US Constitution wasn't written for the aliens, remember "We The People", that sure doesn't mean the aliens and the only control we have is through treaties.
If we had complete jurisdiction over aliens, we wouldn't have to make treaties with their countries.
There is not a word in the US Constitution that bars dual citizens or any of the US-born children of foreigners from becoming president. Not a word, and not a single member of the Constitutional Convention or any of the writers of the 14th Amendment ever wrote that dual citizens should be barred from becoming president or that two citizen parents are required in order to become president.

You cannot read into the US Constitution something that it does not say. And there is not a word in the US Constitution that says that either the US-born children of foreigners or US-born dual citizens are not eligible to become president. Not a word.

Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things. Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.

And yet slimy Dale wants gullible people to ignore good conservative legal principles such as strict construction and good conservative moral principles such as libertarianism. Why?

Why? Why, when there isn't a word in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not eligible to become president? Why? What is slimy Dale's motive? Why, violate strict construction AND libertarian principles? Why does he do it? Why throw away such principles based solely on hatred of Obama?

The Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." And there is nothing in either the Constitution or in ANY of the writings of the men who were in the Constitutional Convention, or such other American leaders at the time as John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. There NOTHING in any of their writings that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not as eligible as the US-born children of US citizens. Nothing.

And yet SLIMY Dale would like to throw out strict construction and libertarian principles and "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Why SLIMY Dale? Why?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#185081 Feb 9, 2014
Jacques,
This is a part of an article I found on the internet from 2011.
......

C.F. Martin announced that it will utilize FSC-certified recycled Sitka spruce in one of its new cutaway guitars in the company's Performing Arts series......The wood, which will be used on the tops of the new guitar, is coming from none other than dismantled Canadian bridges where it had been used in construction.

"Martin Guitar has long been committed to research and innovation to find alternatives to rare woods," explained Chris Martin, the company's chairman and CEO.

Martin is not alone. In 2007, the company and three other prominent guitar makers - Taylor, Fender and Gibson - have teamed up with Greenpeace to promote changes in logging practices that would secure the long term sustainability of tonewoods. The partnership, MusicWood Coalition, was launched with a focus on Sitka spruce, which is commonly used for guitar and piano soundboards.

If you followed the story of the raid on Gibson, you might be surprised to hear that the CEO who rallied his competitors to join the Greenpeace effort was none other than Henry Juskiewicz, the CEO of Gibson Guitar.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#185082 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Only through treaties. Why, because all persons visiting your beautiful country are citizens of another country and that country has something to say about their treatment while they are in your country.
"Something to say?" .
Surely they do. But the host country does not have to respond or act. Do you want examples, actual living examples of interned American citizens in foreign lands for whom the U.S. can do nothing? Have you any experience in that kind of work?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185083 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.” Ark v. US
Looks like we are back to the dual-citizenship, again!!!!
wojar, you can't win, the US hasn't the authority to strip a foreign citizenship, unless authorized under the naturalization process.
A dual-citizen/Naturalized citizen are on the same footing, allegiance is known for one and the other is questionable, for this neither are eligible to POTUS.
The failure of foreign law to have force or effect in the US does not violate the principle articulated in Ark.

When an alien enters the US he is under the protection of the US and owes a temporary allegiance to the US. Foreign allegiance (per foreign law which has no force or effect within the boundaries of the US) is checked at the door.

Play Law fails again. Dufus Dale keeps trying to enforce foreign law in the US in violation of US sovereignty.

Insane.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama had only one allegiance per US law when born in Hawaii. To the US. British law and any other foreign law had no force or effect in the United States. Why is that so difficult for Dufus to comprehend?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#185085 Feb 9, 2014
"The Wright Brother's Flyer was built using Sitka Spruce, as were many aircraft pre-WWII.
The British Mosquito used it as a substitute for strategically important aluminum."

Wiki

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#185086 Feb 9, 2014
Jacques,
By simple deduction and reasoning, I would think that Howard Hughes "Spruce Goose" was made out of Spruce too.
loose

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#185087 Feb 9, 2014
Jacques,
Critics nicknamed it the Spruce Goose, despite it being made of almost entirely of Birch.
It flew only one time.
I'm really not interested in airplanes, except to see fewer and fewer of them in the sky.
I was just reading about Sitka Spruce.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#185088 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! All though you post is very juvenile, for a treaty to grant an alien the privileges of the US Constitution would grant him citizenship, without the process of naturalization.
Constitutional Law 101 Exam:

Does the privileges of the US Constitution only apply to US citizens?

Answer:

If aliens are are not granted privilleges of the Constitution then that means that aliens are not protected by the civil rights contained in the Constitution. In other words, aliens have no right to trial by jury, no freedom of speech, no protection from unreasonable search and seizures, no protection against double jeopardy and no right to a speedy and public trial.

Moreover, these aliens do not come under the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.

However, courts have established that citizens and aliens have the same constitution rights. "The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." These provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws" Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)

Furthermore, "Alien inhabitants of a State, as well as all other persons within its jurisdiction, may invoke the protection of these clauses [14th Amendment]." Terrace v. Thompson, 263 U.S. 197, 216 (1923)

Justice Stevens wrote "There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.

The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country. Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77-78 (1976)(internal citations omitted)

As such, the privileges in the US Constitution are applicable to citizens and aliens alike.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#185090 Feb 9, 2014
Why did any one ever vote for the guy that can not tell the truth? Obama "ran" against Bush,but Bush never ran against Obama. This was just more Obama lies that tricked uninformed people into voting for Obama. Obama has not done one thing in over five years to reduce the unemployment numbers,in fact he has increased the number of unemployed significantly,mostly due to his policies. Obama has not done one thing in over five years to help our economy,in fact he has increased the debt significantly,primarily due to his policies. Obama has done nothing to reduce the number of people on welfare, in fact he has increased the number of people dependent on the taxpayers significantly, by design. Obama promised to work with all people and both political parties,he has ignored more than half of the people and caused more divide among the political factions. Obama took an oath to uphold The Constitution, but instead has tried to destroy it and that is treason. Obama has recently been using his speeches to reinforce his tyranny and his goal to destroy our country. We are our country,We are the People.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185091 Feb 9, 2014
Of course there is no "foul play". Just like Obama does not see any conspiracy in the IRS scandal!!!

Man Responsible For Olympic Ring Mishap Found Dead In Sochi
February 8th, 2014

The man responsible for operating the Olympic Rings during last night’s Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Russia was found dead today.

According to local reports the body of Boris Avdeyev was found his hotel room early this morning with multiple stab wounds.

Avdeyev was a technical specialist responsible for the Olympic Ring spectacle, which embarrassingly malfunctioned last night. Five animatronic snowflakes were supposed to transform into Olympic Rings. The first four functioned properly but the fifth snowflake failed to change shape.

Although his body was badly mangled and the wounds were consistent with a struggle, so far officials say they don't suspect foul play.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/02/08/man-respon...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185092 Feb 9, 2014
Frank wrote:
Why did any one ever vote for the guy that can not tell the truth? Obama "ran" against Bush,but Bush never ran against Obama. This was just more Obama lies that tricked uninformed people into voting for Obama. Obama has not done one thing in over five years to reduce the unemployment numbers,in fact he has increased the number of unemployed significantly,mostly due to his policies. Obama has not done one thing in over five years to help our economy,in fact he has increased the debt significantly,primarily due to his policies. Obama has done nothing to reduce the number of people on welfare, in fact he has increased the number of people dependent on the taxpayers significantly, by design. Obama promised to work with all people and both political parties,he has ignored more than half of the people and caused more divide among the political factions. Obama took an oath to uphold The Constitution, but instead has tried to destroy it and that is treason. Obama has recently been using his speeches to reinforce his tyranny and his goal to destroy our country. We are our country,We are the People.
Some people try to demean others thinking it will elevate themselves. It never does.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#185093 Feb 9, 2014
Frank wrote:
Why did any one ever vote for the guy that can not tell the truth
Most didn't Frank! That's why the Mittens is not now nor will he ever be the POTUS.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185094 Feb 9, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Of course there is no "foul play". Just like Obama does not see any conspiracy in the IRS scandal!!!
Man Responsible For Olympic Ring Mishap Found Dead In Sochi
February 8th, 2014
The man responsible for operating the Olympic Rings during last night’s Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Russia was found dead today.
According to local reports the body of Boris Avdeyev was found his hotel room early this morning with multiple stab wounds.
Avdeyev was a technical specialist responsible for the Olympic Ring spectacle, which embarrassingly malfunctioned last night. Five animatronic snowflakes were supposed to transform into Olympic Rings. The first four functioned properly but the fifth snowflake failed to change shape.
Although his body was badly mangled and the wounds were consistent with a struggle, so far officials say they don't suspect foul play.
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/02/08/man-respon...
Rouge gets punked again.

"The Daily Currant is an American satirical news blog that focuses on politics, technology, and entertainment.[1] A number of its satirical stories have been taken for true news reports by press.[2]"

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Just wait until April Fool's Day, He'll fall for another one.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185095 Feb 9, 2014
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Most didn't Frank! That's why the Mittens is not now nor will he ever be the POTUS.
Glad to see you're back. I guess you needed a few laughs. Nothing has changed.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185096 Feb 9, 2014
Frank wrote:
Why did any one ever vote for the guy that can not tell the truth? Obama "ran" against Bush,but Bush never ran against Obama. This was just more Obama lies that tricked uninformed people into voting for Obama. Obama has not done one thing in over five years to reduce the unemployment numbers,in fact he has increased the number of unemployed significantly,mostly due to his policies. Obama has not done one thing in over five years to help our economy,in fact he has increased the debt significantly,primarily due to his policies.
ASimply saying something is doesn't make it so, Frank.

Bush vs. Obama: Unemployment (January 2012 Jobs Data)
http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.com/2...

http://tinyurl.com/8886d5s

Budget deficit shrinks to lowest level under Obama

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/budget-...

http://tinyurl.com/ph3qvzk

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185097 Feb 9, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Constitutional Law 101 Exam:
Does the privileges of the US Constitution only apply to US citizens?
Answer:
If aliens are are not granted privilleges of the Constitution then that means that aliens are not protected by the civil rights contained in the Constitution. In other words, aliens have no right to trial by jury, no freedom of speech, no protection from unreasonable search and seizures, no protection against double jeopardy and no right to a speedy and public trial.
Moreover, these aliens do not come under the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.
However, courts have established that citizens and aliens have the same constitution rights. "The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." These provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws" Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)
Furthermore, "Alien inhabitants of a State, as well as all other persons within its jurisdiction, may invoke the protection of these clauses [14th Amendment]." Terrace v. Thompson, 263 U.S. 197, 216 (1923)
Justice Stevens wrote "There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
The fact that all persons, aliens and citizens alike, are protected by the Due Process Clause does not lead to the further conclusion that all aliens are entitled to enjoy all the advantages of citizenship or, indeed, to the conclusion that all aliens must be placed in a single homogeneous legal classification. For a host of constitutional and statutory provisions rest on the premise that a legitimate distinction between citizens and aliens may justify attributes and benefits for one class not accorded to the other; and the class of aliens is itself a heterogeneous multitude of persons with a wide-ranging variety of ties to this country. Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77-78 (1976)(internal citations omitted)
As such, the privileges in the US Constitution are applicable to citizens and aliens alike.
There you are your little weasel. Back to the 2013 GDP. You said it was 5.0% when it turned out to be only 2.7% and when corrected for population growth and inflation it is adjusted to just 0.2% which is very lame! What say you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185098 Feb 9, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
ASimply saying something is doesn't make it so, Frank.
Bush vs. Obama: Unemployment (January 2012 Jobs Data)
http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.com/2...
http://tinyurl.com/8886d5s
Budget deficit shrinks to lowest level under Obama
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/budget-...
http://tinyurl.com/ph3qvzk
You aren't very good at cooking data books, are ya? You do know that Bush's administration started in Jan. 2001 but you start in Jan. 2008 and then you stop at TWO YEARS ago.
How about the Labor Participation Rate which is a far better indicator of employment?

Jan. 2008 66.2%
Jan. 2009 65.7%
Jan. 2010 64.8%
Jan. 2011 64.2%
Jan. 2012 63.7%
Jan. 2013 63.6%
Jan. 2014 63.0%
There are 5-7 Million fewer Americans employed (corrected for population growth) now than were employed in Jan. 2009. Way to go Obama!!!
The next problem is that FY2009 was NOT Bush's last budget. G.W. submitted a budget for $2.7Trillion but by the time Speaker San Fran Nan Pelosi and Dirt Hairy Reed got through it and OBAMA had signed it in to law it had ballooned to $3.7 TRILLION!!!

Still can stop blaming Bush, can you? Obummer Boy has had FIVE years to fix then but he has been one miserable failure!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#185099 Feb 9, 2014
Hey Wotard, which president signed the FY2009 Budget into law in March 2009? It wasn't G.W. was he had left officer two months earlier! Stop blaming others for your mistakes!!!

On 11 March 2009, President Barack H. Obama signed the FY2009 budget into law. Furthermore, Bush is not responsible for the Supercalifragilisticexpialidoc ious Stimulus Act of 2009, the Defence Supplemental of 06.09 loaded with pork, Cash-for-Clunkers, Cash-for-Caulkers, Unemployment Insurance extensions, Making Home Affordable, a massive $680 billion defence bill in September - once again laden with pork, etc.

President Obama and his Democrat Congress ended up spending $3.52 trillion in 2009, which represented a 17.9% increase in spending -- the highest single-year percentage spending increase since the Korean War.

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