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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185056 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! All though you post is very juvenile, for a treaty to grant an alien the privileges of the US Constitution would grant him citizenship, without the process of naturalization.
Why don't you learn how to write a sentence?

The simple fact is that if the US government does not have the authority under the constitution to have jurisdiction over aliens in the US, then a treaty cannot create such power because treaties are subservient to the Constitution and cannot create extra-Constitutional powers.

You are simply FOS on so many levels it stinks to high heaven.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
It is Dufus Dale's problem that a treaty cannot create extra-constitutional powers. If aliens are not "under the jurisdiction of the Constitution" as Dufus says, then no treaty could create such extra-constitutional power wherein the US would have jurisdiction, as any treaty is subservient to the supreme law of the constitution.
Play law breaks down again and again. It doesn't work.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185057 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Where did I say he was NBC? Where did I say NBC had anything to do with your bogus Play Law?
Who was that founder who said citizenship and allegiance are equivalent? Dufus Dale.
Dufus Dale forgets about natural allegiance per common law from which natural born citizenship stems in the United States. As James Madison stated, "but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."
Got a clue what "it is what applies in the United States" means?
BTW, MORON, being born in Hawaii, "burdens you with the allegiance thingy" in the US only per US allegiance. While in the US, a person born in the US is not "burdened" by any putative foreign allegiance, because foreign law has no force or effect in the United States. Got a clue what "no force or effect" means?
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! You haven't a clue what happen in 1866, do you? You really need a good brain douche!!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185058 Feb 8, 2014
Grand Birther wrote:
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YES, SHEEPLE ARE SCARED!
LMAO!!! The silly liberal tools can't stand the heat!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185059 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You lose again!!!
......to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.
With Obama being a dual-citizen, guess this puts a crimp in your post, but according to the above he isn't even a citizen.
See you are over a barrel, the frames of the 14th call him an alien, Ark v. US made him a dual-citizen and the Bancroft Treaties are unenforceable.
Bancroft treaties are irrelevant. The framers of the 14th would call him a natural born citizen. They plainly stated so, each of them. It is Dufus Dale who does not understand that ordinary aliens owe allegiance to the US while in the US and foreign ambassadors and their families who do not.

Grow up! Child!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185060 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You will deny it, but even you have stated that a NBC has only one allegiance!!! Go and deny it, then I will know what you are, like I didn't know! Hahahaha!!!!
Obama had only one allegiance per US law when born in Hawaii. To the US. British law and any other foreign law had no force or effect in the United States. Why is that so difficult for Dufus to comprehend?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185061 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't need world population growth at this point. 6000 BC God said. "Increase and multiply". In 2000 he said, "Enough already!"
LMAO!!! So, you are talking to God, now!!! Oh my!!! I guess we are in a world of shit!!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185062 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! At the moment of birth Obama's citizenship and allegiance was to his father's country and the US government can't strip that away, unless requested by him. This brings us back to the same old thing, a dual-citizenship is no better than a naturalized citizenship, neither are NBCs
Wrong. At the moment of birth, Obama's citizenship and allegiance was to the United States per US law. British citizenship law had no force or effect in Honolulu to overturn US citizenship law. Per US law his allegiance was to the US. Per British law, his allegiance was irrelevant as British law has no force in the United States.

Dale is simply wrong as he believes British law supersedes US law in the US. It doesn't Dufus.



wojar wrote:
<quoted text>The allegiance of a person born on US soil is to the US, regardless of foreign citizenship law, which has no force or effect within the US. What part of no force or effect cannot Dale comprehend?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185065 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama had only one allegiance per US law when born in Hawaii. To the US. British law and any other foreign law had no force or effect in the United States. Why is that so difficult for Dufus to comprehend?
LMAO!!!“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.” Ark v. US

Looks like we are back to the dual-citizenship, again!!!!

wojar, you can't win, the US hasn't the authority to strip a foreign citizenship, unless authorized under the naturalization process.

A dual-citizen/Naturalized citizen are on the same footing, allegiance is known for one and the other is questionable, for this neither are eligible to POTUS.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185066 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Only through treaties. Why, because all persons visiting your beautiful country are citizens of another country and that country has something to say about their treatment while they are in your country.
Sadly, Jacques, Dufus Dale is indeed insane. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says foreign law has any power to give aliens immunity to US law without the consent of the US.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you insane? All foreigners inhabiting Canada, including Americans, come solely under Canadian jurisdiction. What treaties are you gibberishing about? The only way an American living in Canada could avoid Canadian jurisdiction would be for him/her to be a diplomat, covered by the Vienna Convention (Treaty). That is neither a U.S. nor Canadian treaty.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185067 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! So, you are talking to God, now!!! Oh my!!! I guess we are in a world of shit!!!!
Where did you see me talking to God? Eh?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185068 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. At the moment of birth, Obama's citizenship and allegiance was to the United States per US law. British citizenship law had no force or effect in Honolulu to overturn US citizenship law. Per US law his allegiance was to the US. Per British law, his allegiance was irrelevant as British law has no force in the United States.
Dale is simply wrong as he believes British law supersedes US law in the US. It doesn't Dufus.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! The Bancroft Treaties are unenforceable.

“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.”

NEXT!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185069 Feb 8, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.” Ark v. US
Looks like we are back to the dual-citizenship, again!!!!
wojar, you can't win, the US hasn't the authority to strip a foreign citizenship, unless authorized under the naturalization process.
A dual-citizen/Naturalized citizen are on the same footing, allegiance is known for one and the other is questionable, for this neither are eligible to POTUS.
Looks like Dufus cannot read.

I don't see where Dufus quotes wherein it is the inherent right of any nation to have their law supersede US law within the boundaries of the United States.

According to US law, born in the US = US citizen. Foreign law has no force or effect in the US. Foreign law having no force or effect is not 'stripping citizenship', MORON. The foreign country can think whatever they want but it has no legal force in the US.

Get a clue!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama had only one allegiance per US law when born in Hawaii. To the US. British law and any other foreign law had no force or effect in the United States. Why is that so difficult for Dufus to comprehend?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185070 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly, Jacques, Dufus Dale is indeed insane. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says foreign law has any power to give aliens immunity to US law without the consent of the US.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Nice try, but the US Constitution wasn't written for the aliens, remember "We The People", that sure doesn't mean the aliens and the only control we have is through treaties.
If we had complete jurisdiction over aliens, we wouldn't have to make treaties with their countries.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185071 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Dufus cannot read.
I don't see where Dufus quotes wherein it is the inherent right of any nation to have their law supersede US law within the boundaries of the United States.
According to US law, born in the US = US citizen. Foreign law has no force or effect in the US. Foreign law having no force or effect is not 'stripping citizenship', MORON. The foreign country can think whatever they want but it has no legal force in the US.
Get a clue!
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! You keep forgetting that the US can't strip a citizenship nor allegiance of any foreign nation, unless requested through the naturalization process of that person.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185072 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Dufus cannot read.
I don't see where Dufus quotes wherein it is the inherent right of any nation to have their law supersede US law within the boundaries of the United States.
According to US law, born in the US = US citizen. Foreign law has no force or effect in the US. Foreign law having no force or effect is not 'stripping citizenship', MORON. The foreign country can think whatever they want but it has no legal force in the US.
Get a clue!
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! wojar, you are funny, your fantasy world is over, I think it is time you woke up to the fresh aroma of the cornflakes, that I have just pissed in.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185073 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you see me talking to God? Eh?
LMAO!!! wojar, did you forget what you posted?
Yep, what is that word you use (ALZHEIMER'S)!!!!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185074 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Bancroft treaties are irrelevant. The framers of the 14th would call him a natural born citizen. They plainly stated so, each of them. It is Dufus Dale who does not understand that ordinary aliens owe allegiance to the US while in the US and foreign ambassadors and their families who do not.
Grow up! Child!
LMAO!!! Yes, the Bancroft treaties are irrelevant, which brings us back to the dual-citizenship problem.

“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.”

.....to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.

Now we have surmised that a NBC has only one allegiance, unless you want to back out of your statement, since we all know the US can't strip a citizenship nor allegiance from anyone without their approval. Where does that leave, you?

Unlike the framers of the 14th, I will give you the dual-citizenship, but that status is no better than a naturalized citizen, not eligible to be POTUS.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#185075 Feb 8, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Dufus cannot read.
I don't see where Dufus quotes wherein it is the inherent right of any nation to have their law supersede US law within the boundaries of the United States.
According to US law, born in the US = US citizen. Foreign law has no force or effect in the US. Foreign law having no force or effect is not 'stripping citizenship', MORON. The foreign country can think whatever they want but it has no legal force in the US.
Get a clue!
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! wojar, it is by blood line, nothing you can do about it, we practice the same. Which brings us back to a dual-citizen status, no better than a naturalized citizen.

You can have the last word, I have done pissed in your cornflakes!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185076 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Nice try, but the US Constitution wasn't written for the aliens, remember "We The People", that sure doesn't mean the aliens and the only control we have is through treaties.
If we had complete jurisdiction over aliens, we wouldn't have to make treaties with their countries.
Sorry Dale, treaties cannot create extra-constitutional federal powers .

Play Law breaks down every which way but Dale the town drunk cannot see the sad truth.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly, Jacques, Dufus Dale is indeed insane. There is nothing in the US Constitution that says foreign law has any power to give aliens immunity to US law without the consent of the US.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#185077 Feb 9, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Yes, the Bancroft treaties are irrelevant, which brings us back to the dual-citizenship problem.
“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.”
.....to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.
Now we have surmised that a NBC has only one allegiance, unless you want to back out of your statement, since we all know the US can't strip a citizenship nor allegiance from anyone without their approval. Where does that leave, you?
Unlike the framers of the 14th, I will give you the dual-citizenship, but that status is no better than a naturalized citizen, not eligible to be POTUS.
“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”–James Madison

“It is an established maxim, received by all political writers, THAT EVERY PERSON OWES A NATURAL ALLEGIANCE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THAT COUNTRY IN WHICH HE IS BORN. Allegiance is defined to be a tie, that binds the subject to the state, and in consequence of his obedience, he is entitled to protection… The children of aliens, born in this state, are considered as natural born subjects, and have the same rights with the rest of the citizens.” Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut: in six books, Volumes 1-2 of A System of the Laws of the State of Connecticut: In Six Book, pg. 163,167 (1795)

Sorry Dufus, but the US has "the inherent right to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.”
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Bancroft treaties are irrelevant. The framers of the 14th would call him a natural born citizen. They plainly stated so, each of them. It is Dufus Dale who does not understand that ordinary aliens owe allegiance to the US while in the US and foreign ambassadors and their families who do not.
Grow up! Child!

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