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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Dale

Wichita, KS

#184978 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Dufus Dale cannot understand that when the US demands allegiance of its citizens without regard to dual citizenship, that doesn't 'strip a citizenship from anyone'. The US recognizes that a US citizen, even if claimed as a citizen by a foreign state, must have the same allegiance as any other US citizen and that is to the US.
It's not a difficult concept. What is Dufus' problem?
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LMAO!!! Allegiance and citizenship when born are inseparable, so with Obama being born a citizen of his father's country he acquired the allegiance of his father's country at birth.
Now we are back to the dual-allegiance/citizenship. Oh my, we all know a dual-citizenship is no better than a naturalized citizenship, but the fact is Art. 2 Sect. 1, para. 5, does not call for a naturalized citizen, nor a dual-citizen, does it. Quite the contrary, it calls for a Natural Born Citizen, one that has only one allegiance to the US Constitution.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184979 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Does Dale have Alzheimer's? A treaty cannot create US jurisdiction that is not provided for under the Constitution. If Dale believes that aliens in the US are not "under the jurisdiction of the Constitution" then a treaty granting such jurisdiction would be unconstitutional.
Play Law fails again.
And BTW, Dufus the "knock on the door" has nothing to do with it. The child born in Vietnam, living in Vietnam is not under the jurisdiction of the united States. Can't you read?
"And the child lived his entire life in Vietnam was never under the jurisdiction of the US"
If he comes to the United States, only then is he under the jurisdiction of the United States, same as his alien brothers.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! You seem to forget that an alien is not subject to the US Constitution, if he were he would be called a citizen the minute he put foot on US soil.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184980 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Dale have Alzheimer's? A treaty cannot create US jurisdiction that is not provided for under the Constitution. If Dale believes that aliens in the US are not "under the jurisdiction of the Constitution" then a treaty granting such jurisdiction would be unconstitutional.
Play Law fails again.
And BTW, Dufus the "knock on the door" has nothing to do with it. The child born in Vietnam, living in Vietnam is not under the jurisdiction of the united States. Can't you read?
"And the child lived his entire life in Vietnam was never under the jurisdiction of the US"
If he comes to the United States, only then is he under the jurisdiction of the United States, same as his alien brothers.
<quoted text>
MAO!!! That is the child's problem, not knowing the rights of a US citizen.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184981 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Dale have Alzheimer's? A treaty cannot create US jurisdiction that is not provided for under the Constitution. If Dale believes that aliens in the US are not "under the jurisdiction of the Constitution" then a treaty granting such jurisdiction would be unconstitutional.
Play Law fails again.
And BTW, Dufus the "knock on the door" has nothing to do with it. The child born in Vietnam, living in Vietnam is not under the jurisdiction of the united States. Can't you read?
"And the child lived his entire life in Vietnam was never under the jurisdiction of the US"
If he comes to the United States, only then is he under the jurisdiction of the United States, same as his alien brothers.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! A treaty does not make anyone subject to the Constitution, since they are citizens of other countries. The only way they can be subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, is through the naturalization process.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184982 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Dale have Alzheimer's? A treaty cannot create US jurisdiction that is not provided for under the Constitution. If Dale believes that aliens in the US are not "under the jurisdiction of the Constitution" then a treaty granting such jurisdiction would be unconstitutional.
Play Law fails again.
And BTW, Dufus the "knock on the door" has nothing to do with it. The child born in Vietnam, living in Vietnam is not under the jurisdiction of the united States. Can't you read?
"And the child lived his entire life in Vietnam was never under the jurisdiction of the US"
If he comes to the United States, only then is he under the jurisdiction of the United States, same as his alien brothers.
<quoted text>
It 's really funny, if a person born in Viet-Nam of a US military man is not under the jurisdiction of the US, how can they be US citizens?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184983 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dufus Dale cannot understand that when the US demands allegiance of its citizens without regard to dual citizenship, that doesn't 'strip a citizenship from anyone'. The US recognizes that a US citizen, even if claimed as a citizen by a foreign state, must have the same allegiance as any other US citizen and that is to the US.
It's not a difficult concept. What is Dufus' problem?
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! That is like taking a hose to water and telling it to drink, it might and it might not, the framers were not depending on the might or might not, they excluded all in question.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184984 Feb 6, 2014
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?(Federalist Papers #68)

Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man?(The Shadow)

We have identified the evil, it I the DNC, just a front for the socialist, Marxist and communist.

Nite all.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184985 Feb 6, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! They are controlled under treaties, but the child is still a US citizen, this you can't change, unless you change the statutes
LMAO!!! How many US GIs have wondered, will I have that knock on my door??? HELLO, DADDY!!!! I am here for the good life!!! Yes, there are millions of US citizens in foreign countries that have never realized their rights.
Are you insane? All foreigners inhabiting Canada, including Americans, come solely under Canadian jurisdiction. What treaties are you gibberishing about? The only way an American living in Canada could avoid Canadian jurisdiction would be for him/her to be a diplomat, covered by the Vienna Convention (Treaty). That is neither a U.S. nor Canadian treaty.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184986 Feb 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! And there you go again!!! The US government can't strip a citizenship from anyone, unless requested through naturalization. Guess, we are stuck on the dual-citizenship, are we not!!!
Now for the dual-citizenship, that explains itself, it would not be a NBC, since a NBC has only one allegiance.
Sorry Dufus, but naturalization does not 'strip' anyone's citizenship. No exception. Renunciation is between the alien and the foreign government, which may not accept it. Thus the naturalized citizen can be a dual citizen.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184987 Feb 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Jimmy had no idea, all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power, are citizens, means the same as and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. If one is subject to the jurisdiction of any government other than the US, his only choice is though the naturalization process to become a US citizen, or in these days thanks to the USSC a dual-citizen, but this leaves us with dual allegiance, a NBC does not have a dual allegiance.
The allegiance of a person born on US soil is to the US, regardless of foreign citizenship law, which has no force or effect within the US. What part of no force or effect cannot Dale comprehend?
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184988 Feb 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The only way for this nation to strip a foreign citizenship is through the naturalization process and these days that is questionable, the USSC made sure of that, dual-citizenship is the norm since 1958, we have never had a Bancroft Treaty with Kenya.
Sorry Dufus there has never been any way for the US to 'strip' a foreign citizenship. Dufus conflates renunciation and expatriation. Only if renunciation is accepted is expatriation accomplished.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184989 Feb 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Allegiance and citizenship when born are inseparable, so with Obama being born a citizen of his father's country he acquired the allegiance of his father's country at birth.
Now we are back to the dual-allegiance/citizenship. Oh my, we all know a dual-citizenship is no better than a naturalized citizenship, but the fact is Art. 2 Sect. 1, para. 5, does not call for a naturalized citizen, nor a dual-citizen, does it. Quite the contrary, it calls for a Natural Born Citizen, one that has only one allegiance to the US Constitution.
Sorry but foreign citizenship law does not bind the person born in the US. The US is governed by US law as it is a sovereign nation.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#184990 Feb 7, 2014
World's Greatest Quote

"Negotiating with Obama is
like playing chess with a pigeon.
The pigeon knocks over all the pieces,
shits on the board and then
struts around like it won the game."

Vladimir Putin-2013

wojar

Bristol, CT

#184991 Feb 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You seem to forget that an alien is not subject to the US Constitution, if he were he would be called a citizen the minute he put foot on US soil.
Dale does not comprehend that no one is subject to Play Law.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184992 Feb 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Yes, we did make that call, all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power, are citizens, which means the same as "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution).
Ted Cruz was born a Canadian in Canada and under Canadian jurisdiction. But under US statute he acquired US citizenship. No Dufus, citizenship and jurisdiction are not the same.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#184993 Feb 7, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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What "Dubya" DEPRESSION? The Housing Mortgage Bubble that bust was caused by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and the stock Market Bubble was an aftermath of the busting of the Housing Mortgage Bubble.
If this is not true, show us the cause and efefct relationship between what G.W. did od failed to do to cause these things.
wojar wrote:
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What Dubya Depression? The Dubya Depression that lost McCain the election.
That Dubya Depression.
Ah, you still can not explain "cause and effect". Exactly what did G.W. do to cause the Great Recession?
I just love these Intellectual Idiots!!!
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184994 Feb 7, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
World's Greatest Quote
"Negotiating with Obama is
like playing chess with a pigeon.
The pigeon knocks over all the pieces,
shits on the board and then
struts around like it won the game."
Vladimir Putin-2013
Putin knocks down his countrymen and shits on his own country. World's Pathetic irony.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184995 Feb 7, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What "Dubya" DEPRESSION? The Housing Mortgage Bubble that bust was caused by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and the stock Market Bubble was an aftermath of the busting of the Housing Mortgage Bubble.
If this is not true, show us the cause and efefct relationship between what G.W. did od failed to do to cause these things.
<quoted text>
Ah, you still can not explain "cause and effect". Exactly what did G.W. do to cause the Great Recession?
I just love these Intellectual Idiots!!!
Dumbya screwed up and McCain got screwed.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184996 Feb 7, 2014
Dumbya didn't see it coming. But I bought gold in 2007 and sold it later at double the price. Dumbya didn't do anything because he was oblivious.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184997 Feb 7, 2014
If citizenship equates to jurisdiction then what is the term that refers to the power of the sovereign to exercise authority over all persons and things within its domain? According to Play Law that would be 'blah blah blah blah', the term coined by Lenny Bruce.

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