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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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#184946 Feb 6, 2014
This is Relaxing and Therapeutic. It also helps with some depression as stated below.

When you get down and out, maybe a little depressed, it always helps to think of your friends enduring harder times than yourself.

For me, this has helped tremendously. What fun!!!!

If he gets stuck between the balls click and drag him to get him moving again. Click him and shake the crap out of him!

http://media.y8.com/system/contents/13365/ori...
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184947 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
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As you know the US can not strip a citizenship of a foreign country, unless requested by the naturalization process. Yep, the Ark case created a new type of citizen, a dual-citizen, which is on the same footing as a naturalized citizen.
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Dufus Dale says James Madison is irrelevant ; US cannot strip a citizenship pf a foreign country.
Then Dufus Dale turns around and says, no one's citizenship is stripped.
Dufus Dale just admitted Play Law is irrelevant. It breaks down every which way Dale turns.
And Dufus still cannot seem to comprehend that as he invokes Vattel for the 14th Amendment, Vattel's clearly stated definition of jurisdiction covers aliens living in the United States so their US born children are natural born citizens. Play Law simply fails.
LMAO!!! Not my problem that you can't read and your spin leaves a lot to be desired.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184948 Feb 6, 2014
Ellen1 wrote:
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The answer is quite simple. The writers of the US Constitution disagreed with you. They thought that a US-born dual citizen IS better than a naturalized citizen. And they thought that a naturalized citizen had questionable allegiance but that a US-born dual citizen has allegiance ONLY to the place of her or his birth.
That is what Blackstone wrote:
“….that every man owes natural allegiance where he is born, and cannot owe two such allegiances, or serve two masters, at once.”
And there is a quotation from James Madison indicating that he thought exactly the same way, that allegiance goes with the PLACE of birth---not the parents.
Your nutty idea is simply yours---not that of the writers of the US Constitution. And, using your nutty idea you are then READING into the Constitution and assuming that the writers of the US Constitution thought the way that you did, so that you can insert into the Constitution something that it does not say. Well, doing that to the Constitution is not merely wrong---it is immoral.
You cannot read into the US Constitution something that it does not say. And it does not say that two US citizen parents are required to be president. In fact, there is not a word in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or that US-born dual citizens are not eligible to become president. Not a word.
Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things.
Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.
And yet slimy Dale wants gullible people to ignore good conservative legal principles such as strict construction and good conservative moral principles such as libertarianism. Why? Why SLIMY Dale? Why?
Nasty!!! You are correct! A NBC has only one allegiance, guess that leaves Obama out, at the moment of birth he was a citizen of his father's country and owed it direct allegiance.
Now you want to try for a dual-citizenship status?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184949 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
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Dale needs to sober up and reverse decades of brain damage (or perhaps it is congenital feeble-mindedness).
LMAO!!! I do just fine with half my brain tied behind my back. Hell, it doesn't take much to turn the thoughts of liberals into mush.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184950 Feb 6, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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No, I will give credit to ObamaCare. It is highly unlikely for the Dems to reclaim the House and it will be more likely that they will also lose the majority in the Senate. 2014 will be a bad year for the Socialists!
You can also expect a few Progressive be replaced by Blue Dog moderates. Bye bye, RIP Waxman
You have no idea what a socialist is now, do you?

Democrats in in your country are the exact equivalent of Canada's Conservative party, the U.K's Conservative party and Germany's Christian Democrats (also conservatives). There is not a drop of socialist blood in Obama's party, the democratic party, save for some initiatives such as Unemp ins, social security, laughable maternity leave, safety on the job and some form of early 20th century health care (obamacare -still better than the alternative - zilch).

There are no socialist parties in the U.S., get that into your head. Like the metric system and 220 volts, socialism is communist.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184951 Feb 6, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Nasty!!! You are correct! A NBC has only one allegiance, guess that leaves Obama out, at the moment of birth he was a citizen of his father's country and owed it direct allegiance.
Now you want to try for a dual-citizenship status?
According to American law, which is what counts, everyone born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats has only one allegiance. Only one allegiance is allowed to persons born on US soil---regardless of whether they are dual citizens or not.(Don't believe it? Well check on what we define as treason. A person who was born on US soil (unless the child of a foreign diplomat) would be considered a traitor if she or he gave aid and comfort to an enemy---REGARDLESS of whether she or had dual citizen status.)

Our law holds, as Blackstone did, and as Madison agree, that there can be only ONE allegiance, and that is to the country that is the PLACE of birth.

Furthermore, you cannot read into the US Constitution something that it does not say. And it does not say that two US citizen parents are required to be president. In fact, there is not a word in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or that US-born dual citizens are not eligible to become president. Not a word.

Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things.

Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.

And yet slimy Dale wants gullible people to ignore good conservative legal principles such as strict construction and good conservative moral principles such as libertarianism. Why?

The Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." And there is nothing in either the Constitution or in ANY of the writings of the men who were in the Constitutional Convention, or such other American leaders at the time as John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. There NOTHING in any of their writings that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not as eligible as the US-born children of US citizens. Nothing. But slimy Dale would like to throw out that principle too.

SLIMY SLIMY Dale thinks that he can convince a few gullible people that the writers of the US Constitution (who never said any such thing) really believed that the US-born children of foreigners (such as perhaps your father or grandfather) are really not as good citizens as the US-born children of US-citizens.

IF the writers of the Constitution had been afraid of the US-born children of foreigners, they would have said so, but they never said so, so why assume that they were afraid? Why does slimy Dale want to throw out strict construction judicial interpretation AND libertarian principles, and ALSO throw out "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"? Who says that the US-born children of foreigners are not created equal with the US born children of US citizens in terms of being eligible to be president? Only slimy Dale.

Why does SLIMY Dale want to throw out Strict Construction and Libertarian principles and "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal..." ? Why SLIMY Dale? Why?
Grand Birther

Jasper, IN

#184952 Feb 6, 2014
Fake Grand Birther wrote:
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no one cares about illiterate fantasies.
You obviously care! Lick, Lick, Lick!
Mr. Obama, Your House of
Cards May Be Tumbling Down

(Feb. 4, 2014)— In my last post I related that 175 federal judges had received copies of Doug Vogt’s affidavit which forensically established probable cause to believe that Barack Hussein Obama’s certificates of live birth are forgeries. The cover letter accompanying the affidavit asked each Judge to refer the evidence contained in Doug’s 95 page public affidavit – and 75 page sealed affidavit – to a Grand Jury to investigate.

One of my faithful – though anonymous – followers recently added a note to my last post stating:“So it has been almost a month now and not a single update. I think I can guess what the responses have all been.“snicker – snicker.”

Au contraire, mon ami. In fact three (3) federal judges have acknowledged receipt of Doug’s Affidavit. Two of them have forwarded the affidavit to their respective United States Attorneys. The third wrote back stating:“I was very impressed by the letter and attachments you sent to me. I do not dismiss the allegations you make as untrue.” The letter continued with the commitment to submit Doug’s affidavit to the Grand Jury for their consideration. So like a modern-day Diogenes, perhaps we have found one honest federal district court judge.

Let me posit what will happen next. Doug and I – a former criminal prosecutor with extensive experience presenting evidence to a grand jury and securing indictments – will be invited to appear before the Grand Jury. Doug to detail the forensic evidence contained in his affidavit; Me to explain the legal options available to the Grand Jury to follow up on the evidence that Doug presents them. Operating outside the control of the United States Attorney’s office and with the support of the federal judge and the United States Marshal’s Service, a dozen federal Grand Jury subpoenas will be issued and served by the Marshal’s Service nationwide. The originals of Obama’s birth records from Hawaii, college transcripts from the three colleges he attended, along with his Social Security and Selective Service records would all be compelled to be produced to this Eric Holder-free Grand Jury. Additionally, the players in the Obama Birth Certificate pageant would all be called to testify as to their roles: Remember, there is no Fifth Amendment privilege to refuse to answer a question put to a witness by a Grand Jury.

Which is why I say, Mr. Obama, the People have some questions for you.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#184953 Feb 6, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no idea what a socialist is now, do you?
Democrats in in your country are the exact equivalent of Canada's Conservative party, the U.K's Conservative party and Germany's Christian Democrats (also conservatives). There is not a drop of socialist blood in Obama's party, the democratic party, save for some initiatives such as Unemp ins, social security, laughable maternity leave, safety on the job and some form of early 20th century health care (obamacare -still better than the alternative - zilch).
There are no socialist parties in the U.S., get that into your head. Like the metric system and 220 volts, socialism is communist.
What is you smokin'?
No, socialism is NOT communism. But Communism is a form of socialism. Communism is a country which is one big commune!
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184954 Feb 6, 2014
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
You obviously care! Lick, Lick, Lick!
Mr. Obama, Your House of
Cards May Be Tumbling Down
(Feb. 4, 2014)— In my last post I related that 175 federal judges had received copies of Doug Vogt’s affidavit which forensically established probable cause to believe that Barack Hussein Obama’s certificates of live birth are forgeries. The cover letter accompanying the affidavit asked each Judge to refer the evidence contained in Doug’s 95 page public affidavit – and 75 page sealed affidavit – to a Grand Jury to investigate...... Operating outside the control of the United States Attorney’s office and with the support of the federal judge and the United States Marshal’s Service, a dozen federal Grand Jury subpoenas will be issued and served by the Marshal’s Service nationwide. The originals of Obama’s birth records from Hawaii, college transcripts from the three colleges he attended, along with his Social Security and Selective Service records would all be compelled to be produced to this Eric Holder-free Grand Jury. Additionally, the players in the Obama Birth Certificate pageant would all be called to testify as to their roles: Remember, there is no Fifth Amendment privilege to refuse to answer a question put to a witness by a Grand Jury.
Which is why I say, Mr. Obama, the People have some questions for you.
Doug Vogt claims that he found "the original altar of Abraham" (but he never showed it, I wonder why not???). In other words, he is a NUT. If you don't believe me, here is his site:

http://www.vectorpub.com/Reality_Revealed.htm...

And Doug Vogt is just one of MANY birther LIARS, who created the following lies:

(1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it?(Okay, I'll make it easy---the guy who posted it.)

(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?

(3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?

(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?

(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?

(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."

AND, they are LYING about Obama's birth certificate being forged as well.

And they cannot answer this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogge...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#184955 Feb 6, 2014
Eye nose, eye nose, yo Libtards do not think Obummer Boy rewards the people who vote form him. Well here is a case in point. Most private aviators are ....... Conservatives so he wants them to pay for their FAA Services (they already do with aviation fuel taxes) but it is okay to fund sports like football!
Yep, Obummer Boy will atke care of the folks who vote for him ....... and to hell with the rest!!!

EAA Challenges FAA Fee Policy

EAA says it's wondering why the FAA billed it $450,000 for air traffic services at last year's AirVenture when the NFL won't have to pay the extra costs associated with the Super Bowl. On Sunday, the FAA told AVweb that it only bills for services if it has to move equipment and personnel to the venue. EAA says it got a different story from FAA officials last summer. "We were working in good faith based on the information we received from the FAA, which was that the Super Bowl/NFL, NASCAR and other major aviation events were all reimbursing the agency for air traffic costs such as overtime, backfill costs and so forth," EAA said in a statement. "The FAA told us those costs were the reason we received the assessments last year." EAA said it's investigating the inconsistency "through a number of channels." Sun 'n Fun paid more than $200,000 for ATC expenses last year and spokeswoman Sandy Bridges said it has "teamed with the State of Florida, the City of Lakeland, the Lakeland Linder Regional Airport and Visit Central Florida to assure that the best quality FAA air traffic controllers are available" for the event, which is the 40th. She did not offer a comment on the NFL news.

Several smaller airshows were also hit with extra ATC costs last year and International Council of Air Shows President John Cudahy said it's particularly galling that a financially able entity like the NFL escapes the fees while non-profit groups struggling to stage community events have to pay.“In the Alice in Wonderland environment in which these ATC decisions are being made, it’s not surprising that the FAA has decided to stop charging fees to the NFL and begin charging fees to non-profit organizations working to hold aviation events in their local communities,” said Cudahy.“The post facto explanations and rationalizations are ridiculous and would be laughable if it weren’t so clear that the FAA intends to defend this contorted logic until they are forced to stop.” After last year's AirVenture, EAA took the FAA to court to try to quash the FAA policy.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/EAA-Chal...
Grand Birther

Jasper, IN

#184956 Feb 6, 2014
Should Barack Hussein Obama be Tried, Convicted and Hanged for Treason?&#12288;
By Sher Zieve
Joshua Black, Florida District 68 House Candidate
Grand Birther

Jasper, IN

#184957 Feb 6, 2014
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Doug Vogt claims that he found "the original altar of Abraham" (but he never showed it, I wonder why not???). In other words, he is a NUT. If you don't believe me, here is his site:
http://www.vectorpub.com/Reality_Revealed.htm...
And Doug Vogt is just one of MANY birther LIARS, who created the following lies:
(1) Birthers said that Obama's draft card was forged, and indeed it was forged, but Obama did not post his draft card, nor did any representative of Obama---so who do you think forged it?(Okay, I'll make it easy---the guy who posted it.)
(2) Birthers have said that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia---but a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy shows that he was never an Indonesian citizen. Why do you suppose that the birthers did not call the Indonesian embassy to check?
(3) Birthers said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya---but the transcript of the call shows that she said the he was BORN IN HAWAII---why do you suppose they did not quote her accurately and in fact cut off the tape recording of the call on their sites just before she said "born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time." Why do you suppose they did that?
(4) Birther sites did not tell you about SS Administration clerks making lots of mistakes and that a single digit entered wrong in the zip code would generated a SS number from a place other than where it was applied from. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(5) Birther sites did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that Obama was NOT born there. Why do you suppose they did not tell their readers that?
(6) Birther sites did not even tell their readers that there is no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---or how very few 18-year-olds did in those days, or how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad late in pregnancy in those days because of the high risk of stillbirth. Why do you suppose they did not tell you that?
(7) Birther sites posted videos of Obama that claimed to show that he said "I was born in Kenya"---but you cannot see his mouth move and the originals of those videos have been found, and they do not say "I was born in Kenya.."" Why do you suppose that they posted those videos? Ditto, by the way, for three forged "Kenyan birth certificates."
AND, they are LYING about Obama's birth certificate being forged as well.
And they cannot answer this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/11/blogge...
He said that he found it, why was that acceptable for the known LIAR Obama but no one else???
Lick, Lick, Lick!!!
House of of cards is falling down, Huh Obot?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184958 Feb 6, 2014
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
According to American law, which is what counts, everyone born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats has only one allegiance. Only one allegiance is allowed to persons born on US soil---regardless of whether they are dual citizens or not.(Don't believe it? Well check on what we define as treason. A person who was born on US soil (unless the child of a foreign diplomat) would be considered a traitor if she or he gave aid and comfort to an enemy---REGARDLESS of whether she or had dual citizen status.)
Our law holds, as Blackstone did, and as Madison agree, that there can be only ONE allegiance, and that is to the country that is the PLACE of birth.
Furthermore, you cannot read into the US Constitution something that it does not say. And it does not say that two US citizen parents are required to be president. In fact, there is not a word in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or that US-born dual citizens are not eligible to become president. Not a word.
Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things.
Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.
SLIMY SLIMY Dale thinks that he can convince a few gullible people that the writers of the US Constitution (who never said any such thing) really believed that the US-born children of foreigners (such as perhaps your father or grandfather) are really not as good citizens as the US-born children of US-citizens.
IF the writers of the Constitution had been afraid of the US-born children of foreigners, they would have said so, but they never said so, so why assume that they were afraid? Why does slimy Dale want to throw out strict construction judicial interpretation AND libertarian principles, and ALSO throw out "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"? Who says that the US-born children of foreigners are not created equal with the US born children of US citizens in terms of being eligible to be president? Only slimy Dale.
Why does SLIMY Dale want to throw out Strict Construction and Libertarian principles and "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal..." ? Why SLIMY Dale? Why?
LMAO!!! Sorry, but a foreign citizenship and allegiance to a foreign country can't be stripped away from those born in this country of an alien father.
“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.” Ark v. US
Do we not give citizenship to children born outside the US of US fathers, are not those children subject to the US Constitution?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184959 Feb 6, 2014
Grand Birther wrote:
Should Barack Hussein Obama be Tried, Convicted and Hanged for Treason?&#12288;
By Sher Zieve
Joshua Black, Florida District 68 House Candidate
Why not!! He has violated the King's Law, according to Nasty. Under the Law of the Crown, he would lose his head, since he violated the Supreme law of the land.

LMAO!!! "OFF WITH HIS HEAD"

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184963 Feb 6, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What is you smokin'?
No, socialism is NOT communism. But Communism is a form of socialism. Communism is a country which is one big commune!
Where and when did I say Socialism is Communism? Is that how you dig my sarcasm of metric communism and McCarhyite/Goldwater socialism-communism?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184964 Feb 6, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Sorry, but a foreign citizenship and allegiance to a foreign country can't be stripped away from those born in this country of an alien father.
“Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.” Ark v. US
Do we not give citizenship to children born outside the US of US fathers, are not those children subject to the US Constitution?
A child born of US citizen parents in Canada where they remain as permanently is subject to the jurisdiction of Canada, not the US.

A child born of a US soldier in Vietnam, and the child lived his entire life in Vietnam was never under the jurisdiction of the US.

Period.
Grand Birther

Jasper, IN

#184965 Feb 6, 2014
FAKE Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh sorry, No one cares. We're here to make fun of ass lickers like you.
You obviously care! Lick, Lick, Lick!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184966 Feb 6, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What "Dubya" DEPRESSION? The Housing Mortgage Bubble that bust was caused by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and the stock Market Bubble was an aftermath of the busting of the Housing Mortgage Bubble.
If this is not true, show us the cause and efefct relationship between what G.W. did od failed to do to cause these things.
What Dubya Depression? The Dubya Depression that lost McCain the election.

That Dubya Depression.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184967 Feb 6, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Not my problem that you can't read and your spin leaves a lot to be desired.
Sorry, Dufus Dale, but when a country exercises its authority within its domain, that's not 'stripping' foreign citizenship. It's called the jurisdiction of a sovereign nation. And when its citizenship laws do not rely on foreign law, that does not 'strip' anything but Dale's fig leaf.


wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
As you know the US can not strip a citizenship of a foreign country, unless requested by the naturalization process. Yep, the Ark case created a new type of citizen, a dual-citizen, which is on the same footing as a naturalized citizen.
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Dufus Dale says James Madison is irrelevant ; US cannot strip a citizenship pf a foreign country.
Then Dufus Dale turns around and says, no one's citizenship is stripped.
Dufus Dale just admitted Play Law is irrelevant. It breaks down every which way Dale turns.
And Dufus still cannot seem to comprehend that as he invokes Vattel for the 14th Amendment, Vattel's clearly stated definition of jurisdiction covers aliens living in the United States so their US born children are natural born citizens. Play Law simply fails.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184968 Feb 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
A child born of US citizen parents in Canada where they remain as permanently is subject to the jurisdiction of Canada, not the US.
A child born of a US soldier in Vietnam, and the child lived his entire life in Vietnam was never under the jurisdiction of the US.
Period.
LMAO!!! They are controlled under treaties, but the child is still a US citizen, this you can't change, unless you change the statutes
LMAO!!! How many US GIs have wondered, will I have that knock on my door??? HELLO, DADDY!!!! I am here for the good life!!! Yes, there are millions of US citizens in foreign countries that have never realized their rights.

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