BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Dale

Wichita, KS

#184588 Jan 26, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor pathetic Dufus. Your fantasy was flushed decades ago. SCOTUS and Congress laughed at your fable at every turn
Noted! Irrelevant!!!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184589 Jan 26, 2014
OH!!! What is this, you libs have nothing to say, guess I will watch some TV!!!! Sure beats talking to zombies!!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184590 Jan 26, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Just the incredible facts from the framers of the US Constitution and its amendments.
Everyone you have mentioned knows the ramifications, they just kick the can down the road, sooner or later it will lead into another civil war.
Why would this not happen in the US? We have a POTUS that thinks he is the King, what will come next, be it a Republican or Democrat, they all overstep their authority, we as citizens are tired of their BS.
"we as citizens are tired of their BS. " you wrote. Who's "we"?. You think YOU are "we", that you represent all citizens? Looking at you from my northern viewpoint, all I see are a few thousand jackasses who laughingly call themselves birthers. birfoons, clowns, buffoons, who dare to call 438 congressmen, 9 supreme court judges, 222 courts, 50 governors, Republican leaders and hundreds of millions of Americans wrong.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184591 Jan 26, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! What is really "Pathetic" is you inability to understand the Constitution, it is the law of the land and any changes to it will take an amendment, so get yourself an amendment, if not shut your pie hole and live with it..
Dale needs more than an amendment. He's lacking a full deck.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#184592 Jan 27, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Noted! Irrelevant!!!
Your claims are certainly irrelevant -- but I doubt very much that anyone has "noted" your claims

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184593 Jan 27, 2014
"If you had to pick a senator who would be especially attuned to Silicon Valley's fear of how the NSA harms business, a front-runner should be Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D - San Francisco. Yet as chairwoman of the secretive and powerful Senate Intelligence Committee, Feinstein has not only vocally defended NSA's dragnet surveillance programs, but she has also introduced legislation - cynically dubbed a reform measure - that would entrench and expand NSA's surveillance powers."

American Civil Liberties Union

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184594 Jan 27, 2014
"Most egregiously, Feinstein's bill allows undefined 'law enforcement agencies' to query its (NSA) databases, even for U.S. persons, without a warrant."

American Civil Liberties Union

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184595 Jan 27, 2014
loose cannon wrote:
"Most egregiously, Feinstein's bill allows undefined 'law enforcement agencies' to query its (NSA) databases, even for U.S. persons, without a warrant."
American Civil Liberties Union
loose,

Tell me about French Polynesia and I'll tell you everything you want to know about Ottawa. Deal? Et on le fait en français.

Jacques

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184596 Jan 27, 2014
Jacques,
The ACLU website is a treasure trove of invaluable information for the free thinker.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184597 Jan 27, 2014
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
The ACLU website is a treasure trove of invaluable information for the free thinker.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) will tell me everything I want to know about French Polynesia - and in 'français"?

Good one, loose. You're as stealthy and transparent as Uluru (Ayer's Rock).

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184598 Jan 27, 2014
"If Feinstein's legislatiom were to pass, it would show the world that Congress no longer respects its citizen's fundamental privacy rights. And if Congres couldn't care less about protecting American's privacy, what kind of message would that send to the rest of the world, already enraged and frightened by the NSA's insatiable surveillance?
What kind of scarlet letter would that put on Ameica's most popular technological brands?"

ACLU website
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184599 Jan 27, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Just the incredible facts from the framers of the US Constitution and its amendments.
Everyone you have mentioned knows the ramifications, they just kick the can down the road, sooner or later it will lead into another civil war.
Why would this not happen in the US? We have a POTUS that thinks he is the King, what will come next, be it a Republican or Democrat, they all overstep their authority, we as citizens are tired of their BS.
You cannot read into the US Constitution something that it does not say. And it does not say that two US citizen parents are required to be president. In fact, there is not a word in the US Constitution that says either that the US-born children of foreigners or that US-born dual citizens are not eligible to become president. Not a word.

Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things.

Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.

And yet slimy Dale wants gullible people to ignore good conservative legal principles such as strict construction and good conservative moral principles such as libertarianism. Why?

The Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." And there is nothing in either the Constitution or in ANY of the writings of the men who were in the Constitutional Convention, or such other American leaders at the time as John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. There NOTHING in any of their writings that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not as eligible as the US-born children of US citizens. Nothing. But slimy Dale would like to throw out that principle too.

There is NOTHING in the US Constitution or in the writings of any of the framers that says that the US-born children of US citizens are any better than the US-born children of foreigners. NOTHING.

And yet slimy Dale thinks that he can convince a few gullible people that the writers of the US Constitution (who never said any such thing) really believed that the US-born children of foreigners (such as perhaps your father or grandfather) are really not as good citizens as the US-born children of US-citizens.

Well, do you think that you are any better a US citizen than your father or grandfather? Do you think that George Washington, who never said any such thing, thought that your US-born ancestors who had foreign parents should be lower-level citizens than the children of US parents at the time? If Washington did think so, he could have said so--but he never did. So why assume that he did? Why does slimy Dale want you to think that George Washington, who was not afraid of much, or Ben Franklin or Alexander Hamilton, or the others, was afraid of US-born children of foreigners, such as your ancestors?

Why does slimy Dale want to throw out strict construction judicial interpretation AND libertarian principles, and ALSO throw out "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"? Who says that the US-born children of foreigners are not created equal with the US born children of US citizens in terms of being eligible to be president? Only slimy Dale. Why SLIMY Dale? Why?
Frank

Spokane, WA

#184600 Jan 27, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't kniow Obama made Afghanistan HIS war in 2001. So, he's in his third term, right?
Obama proclaimed Afghanistan 'his' long before he began occupying The White House. Obama has never supported the best interests of our country. Obama has been making anti-American comments for two decades or more.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184601 Jan 27, 2014
Jacques,
So anyway, I guess the Grammy Awards were held last night.
I've been very critical of the Grammy's for years, so I did not watch it, nor have I watched the self-congratulatory music industry awards ceremony in many, many a moon.
Some goofy looking helmet-band called Daft Punk won some trophys, so I went to my YouTube channel to listen, because I had never heard of them before. But not before signing out first.
They're not all that hot. I have heard much worse, but I can't listen to that garbage.
I have an extensive formal classical training background, Jacques.
I do know what I'm talking about music-wise, if nothing else.
loose
Learn to Read

Greenfield, IN

#184603 Jan 27, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>You can ignore, disregard and misconstrue the Constitutional requirement for and definition of "natural-born Citizen" all you want. You will never be able to change the obvious fact Kenyan-born gay Moslem Obama the Antichrist is not a natural-born citizen of any nation. BHO is a man-without-a-country and is technically an illegal-alien in our Whitehouse selected by the global-elite to cause 'craft to prosper'.
You can spin your hate-fable any way you want. You can not change the fact that play law has no relevance other than fuel for my laughter

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184604 Jan 27, 2014
Jacques,
Beyonce's opening performance at the Grammy's was incredibly raunchy.
Complete with fishnet stockings, it looked more like a strip-tease than a high class, one-of-a-kind, bring-the-house-down musical performance that all of America could be proud of.
Most of the reviews I have read so far, at the Huff Po, reflect my sentiments exactly.
What another major disappointment..

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184605 Jan 28, 2014
Rise and shine, sleepyheads.
I know it is still early, but see no one is able to articulate a coherent response and come to the musical defense of Beyonce and Gay-Z

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184606 Jan 28, 2014
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
Beyonce's opening performance at the Grammy's was incredibly raunchy.
Complete with fishnet stockings, it looked more like a strip-tease than a high class, one-of-a-kind, bring-the-house-down musical performance that all of America could be proud of.
Most of the reviews I have read so far, at the Huff Po, reflect my sentiments exactly.
What another major disappointment..
You wrote : "I've been very critical of the Grammy's for years, so I did not watch it,",
followed by above "Beyonce's opening performance at the Grammy's was incredibly raunchy.
Complete with fishnet stockings, it looked more like a strip-tease "

er, loose, either you watched it or you didn't. You keep commenting on the show yet cannot stop criticizing it.

Personally, I caught an accidental glimpse of it whilst surfing and was fortunately rewarded with the likes of Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson. The rest? I can't be bothered with phoney lip sync and props.
Learn to Read

United States

#184607 Jan 28, 2014
"Homeland Security mandates that additional shelters be opened to provide quarters for homeless while cold snap lasts".

So a federally created behemoth that was initially a response to 9/11 and terrorist threats is now micromanaging the number of shelter beds in a community? If that doesn't scream "big government", nothing does

But of course State Legislators are too consumed with Gay marriage to worry about such matters
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#184608 Jan 28, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>You can ignore, disregard and misconstrue the Constitutional requirement for and definition of "natural-born Citizen" all you want. You will never be able to change the obvious fact Kenyan-born gay Moslem Obama the Antichrist is not a natural-born citizen of any nation. BHO is a man-without-a-country and is technically an illegal-alien in our Whitehouse selected by the global-elite to cause 'craft to prosper'.
Obama was not born in Kenya. Obama was born in HAWAII, a US state, and that is why he is a natural born US Citizen because EVERY child born on US soil is a Natural Born Citizen.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on alleged birth certificates, like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in hawaii obama birth notices 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen.

And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged …

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

More reading on the subject:

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

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