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Dale

Wichita, KS

#184328 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dufus Dale: "All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law."
Now Dale, you admitted that persons born to citizens outside the US gain citizenship through statutory law, NOT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. That is by your own admission in your own words. So Howard has nothing to do with it, according to YOU.
<quoted text>
The Constitution has everything to do with it. Now would you please tell us who are citizens of the US per the 14th amendment.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#184329 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Don't act dumb, I don't like to argue with dumb people, now tell us what the first 8 words of the citizenship clause states, but Howard stated within the limits of.
Poor dumb Dufus. Do you enjoy being wrong all of the time?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184330 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
Miller time!!!!
You've had one too many already.
JBH

Delta, Canada

#184331 Jan 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me for butting in, as this is just too much. Here's news for you, Dale, US LAW HAS NO EFFECT OUTSIDE OF U.S. BORDERS. NONE, ZILCH. NADA when it comes to citizenship or any other reason for that matter. Any citizen of the U.S. or, of, any other country, forfeits his/her rights as a citizen of the U.S. or ANY other country when he/she enters another country. An American or ANY other citizen can be arrested for ANY reason that pleases the host gov't, right or wrong, and there is nothing, outside granting consular assistance as defined by the Vienna convention, that the U.S. or any other country can do about it. Consular assistance can only be an attempt to procure legal assistance, make contact with family, assist in obtaining funds. But the U.S. or any other country cannot intervene in anything the host country wants to do with him/her short of invading that country to recoup its citizen, which it is not about to do.
^&*(===-====

What a silly joke is, that you speak your garbage language?
You are no Laymen of any language, nor can you make it as the main frame of mainstream language.
Your mind is like an inferno, about to explode, as ordinary comments would make your high-ANXIETY PLAY OUT for your mythical unreality that you jump into the heated explosion in outer space.

Your soul does not belong in this world that you might think you like to see if there is another universe better for you, of which is not as found .

You are full of fallacious fantasy to make a fool of your bitter self all the time.

You Fracking wacko, Joeq-Blow-Low would still be here, only on the other side, day and night, wanting to learn English and American politics, would even think of English as self-accredited LANGUAGE, AS LONG AS THERE ARE THOSE having the same stand to defend you Joeq-Blow, being in line with their thinking.

But you do not know much English and other things.

Fracturing dummy not knowing much English and other things, looks around, reads some comments, then would call Gibberish , yet he does not know what Gibberish is, as he just can't define it, for that reflects the poor standard of his make up--primary coming from lacking basic education.

Because frigging wacko is shortage in the language and head, he would call someone to decipher what he does not understand.

No wonder this country has few talents and goes down as well, because Blow-Joe-Jacq-low is so low in life that he has been deprived of any education.
Consequently Jacq -Blow-Low is under-educated , so that he has nothing in life that makes sense, and therefore would come to Topix by humiliating self like the blundering muppet.

Blow-Jacq-Low is the proletariat peasant, who has seen too many same hillbillies like him, being far away from the madding crowds, wants to make a change to demonstrate if he is really happy being dumb on Topix, because as long as any comments make him dis-oriented and fainted, that is what he would say, "Gibberish."

What a Fanatic-Cannie-maniac is-- that this proletariat folly's life of you the Jacq-Blow-Low is all that is, as being put down all the time, because your calling deciphering Gibberish proves that true facts indicate that all your thinking is merely the neo-radical molded robot with no education speaking -- you this hillbilly of no talent peasant from this country can't defend Obama, by having to be defend yourself instead, from whatever you say?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184332 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Elk was not just like a German. Germany is not located within the borders of the United States and does not exist as a nation within the borders of the United States on the basis of a treaty with the United States. Elk's claim to citizenship was based on the fact that he was born within the limits of the United States However, he was not born a citizen because he was not completely under the jurisdiction of the United States since he was within the Indian reservation which was a foreign nation. Now please explain how being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany.
Puh-lease! Grow up!
<quoted text>
You're right. Germany is not located within the borders of the U.S. But, according to LRS aka Dale, Canada is located within the borders of France. See?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184333 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dufus Dale: "All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law."
Now Dale, you admitted that persons born to citizens outside the US gain citizenship through statutory law, NOT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. That is by your own admission in your own words. So Howard has nothing to do with it, according to YOU.
<quoted text>
Howard/Trumbull had everything to do with it, that is why we have statutory citizens, but they also deprived people born in the US of alien parents their citizenship to the US, not a bad trade-off.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184334 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! I really think you have lost your senses, I am really sorry I did that to you.
That's a rebuttal?

Being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany? Really? Being born in Honolulu is like being born on an Indian reservation? Really?

Looks like Dufus Dale has hanged himself with his own rope.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
Being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany? Really? Being born in Honolulu is like being born on an Indian reservation? Really?
Dufus Dale is missing a few cards from his deck.
Miller Time? It can't hurt, Dale has no sense to be dulled.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184335 Jan 18, 2014
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor dumb Dufus. Do you enjoy being wrong all of the time?
Enjoy? He is enthralled by his delusions.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184336 Jan 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You've had one too many already.
Haven't had a beer in 2 weeks, but I have found out that I am very allergic to beer, it makes me drunk!!!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184337 Jan 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right. Germany is not located within the borders of the U.S. But, according to LRS aka Dale, Canada is located within the borders of France. See?
LMAO!!! No, I know where Canada is, you are one of our protected territories.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184338 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
By what law that has effect and force within the limits of the United States could Obama be denied citizenship at birth?
You do know that the brothers Boisseliers who were natural born in the US of alien German parents were not under the jurisdiction of Germany, and the US told Germany to F--- O-- when Germany demanded they serve in the German military.
Were the brothers Boisseliers subject to a foreign power? if so why couldn't Germany do a friggin' thing?
Eh GENIUS? Hee hee hee!
<quoted text>
He was born with the citizenship of his father.
Looks like the US violated the Bancroft Treaties.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184339 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? RU on LSD? Or is it schizophrenia? What part of the US is located within the borders of Canada? What part of the US is located within the borders of Mexico? And when was the US bounded by the nation of Canada-Mexico obtaining quasi-independent status by treaty with the nation of Canada-Mexico?
UR a drunken fool.
<quoted text>
What part of the US was located within the borders of the Indian Nation, we had no jurisdiction over them, that is why we made treaties.
PROST!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#184340 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! No, I know where Canada is, you are one of our protected territories.
Thanks for confirming your LRS status, Dale. What a dumb ass.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184341 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>He was born with the citizenship of his father.
Looks like the US violated the Bancroft Treaties.
Bullshit. Totally irrelevant.

Bancroft treaties concerned naturalization. Brothers Boisseliers were natural born citizens.

Sorry. Try again.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
By what law that has effect and force within the limits of the United States could Obama be denied citizenship at birth?
You do know that the brothers Boisseliers who were natural born in the US of alien German parents were not under the jurisdiction of Germany, and the US told Germany to F--- O-- when Germany demanded they serve in the German military.
Were the brothers Boisseliers subject to a foreign power? if so why couldn't Germany do a friggin' thing?
Eh GENIUS? Hee hee hee!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184342 Jan 18, 2014
The fact, therefore, that acts of congress or
treaties have not permitted Chinese persons born
out of this country to become citizens by naturalization,
cannot exclude Chinese persons born in this
country from the operation of the broad and clear
words of the constitution:‘All persons born in the
United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States.’

US v Wong Kim Ark

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184343 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Don't act dumb, I don't like to argue with dumb people, now tell us what the first 8 words of the citizenship clause states, but Howard stated within the limits of.
Citizenship clause? Dufus Dale already admitted it was a matter of statutory law, not Constitutional law.

Dufus Dale: "All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law."

Duh!

Howard?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Citizenship clause? Got Alzheimer's?
Dufus Dale: "All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law."
Now please, does he really think statutory law is the citizenship clause of the fourteenth amendment?
Apparently Dale forgot his train of thought. That's what happens when he's intoxicated by drugs and grandiose delusions.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184344 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. Totally irrelevant.
Bancroft treaties concerned naturalization. Brothers Boisseliers were natural born citizens.
Sorry. Try again.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Very relevant!

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.

LMAO!!! How long did it take to read the Bancroft Treaties, did you know we have only one country left on the list, as of 1958 all persons born in the US of alien fathers are dual-citizens
and being a dual-citizen is no better that being a naturalized citizen, both are carrying the same baggage, subject to foreign influence.

PROST!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184345 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Hell, Obama could have been born in the "Oval Office", but according to the framers of the 14th Citizenship Clause, he would still be an alien.
Actually the framers clearly stated that they were on board with birthright citizenship for persons born in the US. According to the framers, dufus Dale is FOS. According to the framers, persons born of alien parents in the US are NOT subject to a foreign power. Foreign law has no force or effect in the United States of America, and having no effect in the United States, foreign law cannot impart any "foreign influence" under US law. That's what no force or effect means, Dufus.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
Being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany? Really? Being born in Honolulu is like being born on an Indian reservation? Really?
Dufus Dale is missing a few cards from his deck.
Miller Time? It can't hurt, Dale has no sense to be dulled.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184346 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Very relevant!
"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.
LMAO!!! How long did it take to read the Bancroft Treaties, did you know we have only one country left on the list, as of 1958 all persons born in the US of alien fathers are dual-citizens
and being a dual-citizen is no better that being a naturalized citizen, both are carrying the same baggage, subject to foreign influence.
PROST!!!
Sorry, loser, quoting Elk again is not getting you anywhere. Hawaii was not an Indian reservation so Elk is irrelevant. Bancroft treaties had nothing to do with natural born citizens born in the US. Totally irrelevant.

Grow up and get a life.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit. Totally irrelevant.
Bancroft treaties concerned naturalization. Brothers Boisseliers were natural born citizens.
Sorry. Try again.
<quoted text>
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184347 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
The fact, therefore, that acts of congress or
treaties have not permitted Chinese persons born
out of this country to become citizens by naturalization,
cannot exclude Chinese persons born in this
country from the operation of the broad and clear
words of the constitution:‘All persons born in the
United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States.’
US v Wong Kim Ark
LMAO!!! The "jurisdiction, thereof", was territory according to Gray, I have prove that to be wrong, remember Texas.

"All persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power are citizens", this phrase means the same thing as, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" and aliens have never been subject to the US Constitution.

PROST!!!

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