BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#184260 Jan 17, 2014
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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#184261 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Explain why a naturalized citizen can't run for POTUS, then you will under stand what a Natural Born Citizen is.
A naturalized citizen cannot be POTUS.(Anyone or any thing---Micky Mouse, is a frequent example---can run for POTUS, check the words.)

Why cannot a naturalized citizen be POTUS? Because a naturalized citizen is one who was born on foreign soil and the writers of the US Constitution were worried about the loyalty of people who were not born on US soil. IF they were worried about the US-born children of foreigners being disloyal, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, but they didn't. They did say so about naturalized citizens, excluding them by making only Natural Born Citizens eligible. But they DID NOT say it about the US-born children of foreigners.

So, under strict construction, if they did not say it, you cannot infer that they meant it. And under libertarian principles you cannot take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically takes away that right or authorizes taking it away. And neither is said in the Constitution. There is not a word in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not just as good citizens as the US-born children of US citizens---nor did any of the writers of the US constitution ever say so in any of their writings.

Unless there is something in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners were not created equal to the US-born children of US citizens, they are equal to the US-born children of US citizens.

Once again, naturalized citizens are NOT equal. The Constitution says that only Natural Born Citizens are eligible. But all Natural Born Citizens are eligible, and there is nothing in the Constitution---not one word---that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not Natural Born Citizens.

But they were NOT worried about the loyalty of the children who were born on US soil
JBH

Delta, Canada

#184262 Jan 18, 2014
Fracking Joeq-Blow-Low is still here, only on the other side, day and night, wanting to learn English and American politics, would even think of English as self-accredited LANGUAGE, AS LONG AS THERE ARE THOSE having the same stand to defend Joeq-Blow, being in line with their thinking.

But he does not know much English and other things.


Fracturing dummy not knowing much English and other things, looks around, reads some comments, then would call Gibberish , yet he does not know what Gibberish is, as he just can't define it, for that reflects the poor standard of his make up--primary coming from lacking basic education.

Because frigging wacko is shortage in the language and head, he would call someone to decipher what he does not understand.

No wonder this country has few talents and goes down as well, because Blow-Joe-Jacq-low is so low in life that he has been deprived of any education.
Consequently Jacq -Blow-Low is under-educated , so that he has nothing in life that makes sense, and therefore would come to Topix by humiliating self like the blundering muppet.

Blow-Jacq-Low is the proletariat peasant, who has seen too many same hillbillies like him, being far away from the madding crowds, wants to make a change to demonstrate if he is really happy being dumb on Topix, because as long as any comments make him dis-oriented and fainted, that is what he would say, "Gibberish."

What a Fanatic-Cannie-maniac is-- that this proletariat folly's life of Jacq-Blow-Low is all that is, as being put down all the time, because his calling deciphering Gibberish proves that true facts indicate that all his thinking is merely the neo-radical molded robot with no education speaking -- this hillbilly of no talent peasant from this country thinks he can defend Obama, by having to be damned down instead?

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184263 Jan 18, 2014
"Southwest Airlines pilots who recently landed at the wrong airport in Missouri told investigators they were confused by the small airport's runway lights, believing it to be a larger airport in nearby Branson, said the National Transportation Safety Board on Friday.
They didn't realize until the plane touched down that they were at the wrong airport, the NTSB said."

Associated Press
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184264 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text> The irony is that Dufus Dale doesn't understand what a natural born citizen is and he doesn't have a clue the definition of jurisdiction. He conflates citizenship and jurisdiction, cannot understand that foreign countries cannot determine who is a US citizen, doesn't have a clue that his fantasy violates the principle of of sovereignty ....
Pathetic. He will never understand what is a natural born citizen. He will never understand that he will never have any authority or respect or a clue in matters of law. He will never understand that he is a grandiose delusional schizophrenic either.
Your inability to understand that a Natural Born Citizen does not have any foreign influence, this is why a naturalized citizen can't run for POTUS.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184265 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Obama's US Natural Born Citizenship began at the moment of his birth in Honolulu.
Sorry, a natural born citizen does not have any foreign influence, Obama was never a NBC.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184267 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”–James Madison
Yup, born here means no foreign allegiance, "it is what applies in the United States."
Sorry, we didn't have a national law on citizenship until 1866 and that law excluded citizenship to persons born in the US that were subject to any foreign power.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184268 Jan 18, 2014
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A naturalized citizen cannot be POTUS.(Anyone or any thing---Micky Mouse, is a frequent example---can run for POTUS, check the words.)
Why cannot a naturalized citizen be POTUS? Because a naturalized citizen is one who was born on foreign soil and the writers of the US Constitution were worried about the loyalty of people who were not born on US soil. IF they were worried about the US-born children of foreigners being disloyal, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, but they didn't. They did say so about naturalized citizens, excluding them by making only Natural Born Citizens eligible. But they DID NOT say it about the US-born children of foreigners.
So, under strict construction, if they did not say it, you cannot infer that they meant it. And under libertarian principles you cannot take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically takes away that right or authorizes taking it away. And neither is said in the Constitution. There is not a word in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not just as good citizens as the US-born children of US citizens---nor did any of the writers of the US constitution ever say so in any of their writings.
Unless there is something in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners were not created equal to the US-born children of US citizens, they are equal to the US-born children of US citizens.
Once again, naturalized citizens are NOT equal. The Constitution says that only Natural Born Citizens are eligible. But all Natural Born Citizens are eligible, and there is nothing in the Constitution---not one word---that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not Natural Born Citizens.
But they were NOT worried about the loyalty of the children who were born on US soil
A NBC has no foreign influence and since a child born here of aliens would automatically receive its parents citizenship at birth, he would have foreign influence. A dual-citizen, that is self explanatory, even you can understand that.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184269 Jan 18, 2014
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
A naturalized citizen cannot be POTUS.(Anyone or any thing---Micky Mouse, is a frequent example---can run for POTUS, check the words.)
Why cannot a naturalized citizen be POTUS? Because a naturalized citizen is one who was born on foreign soil and the writers of the US Constitution were worried about the loyalty of people who were not born on US soil. IF they were worried about the US-born children of foreigners being disloyal, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO, but they didn't. They did say so about naturalized citizens, excluding them by making only Natural Born Citizens eligible. But they DID NOT say it about the US-born children of foreigners.
So, under strict construction, if they did not say it, you cannot infer that they meant it. And under libertarian principles you cannot take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically takes away that right or authorizes taking it away. And neither is said in the Constitution. There is not a word in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not just as good citizens as the US-born children of US citizens---nor did any of the writers of the US constitution ever say so in any of their writings.
Unless there is something in the Constitution that says that the US-born children of foreigners were not created equal to the US-born children of US citizens, they are equal to the US-born children of US citizens.
Once again, naturalized citizens are NOT equal. The Constitution says that only Natural Born Citizens are eligible. But all Natural Born Citizens are eligible, and there is nothing in the Constitution---not one word---that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not Natural Born Citizens.
But they were NOT worried about the loyalty of the children who were born on US soil
You are correct, anyone can run for POTUS, but only a NBC can be POTUS, so what is the purpose in running, the law is very plain.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#184270 Jan 18, 2014
"What Washington needs is adult supervision"

Barack Obama, fundraising lettter, 2006
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184271 Jan 18, 2014
loose cannon wrote:
"Southwest Airlines pilots who recently landed at the wrong airport in Missouri told investigators they were confused by the small airport's runway lights, believing it to be a larger airport in nearby Branson, said the National Transportation Safety Board on Friday.
They didn't realize until the plane touched down that they were at the wrong airport, the NTSB said."
Associated Press
I guess we must color code the runway lights.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184272 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Your inability to understand that a Natural Born Citizen does not have any foreign influence, this is why a naturalized citizen can't run for POTUS.
As Madison stated, place (of birth) is the most certain criterion of allegiance: "it is what applies in the United States." That is why a person born in Hawaii of an alien father is not under any "foreign influence" under US law. That is why Ted Cruz has a problem.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184273 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, a natural born citizen does not have any foreign influence, Obama was never a NBC.
Being born here, where place of birth applies (c.f. James Madison) Obama has no foreign influence issues but Dufus Dale has grandiose play law fantasy issues.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184274 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, we didn't have a national law on citizenship until 1866 and that law excluded citizenship to persons born in the US that were subject to any foreign power.
And now Dufus Dale decides to correct the father of the Constitution, James Madison.
wojar wrote:
“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”–James Madison
Yup, born here means no foreign allegiance, "it is what applies in the United States."
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184276 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>A NBC has no foreign influence and since a child born here of aliens would automatically receive its parents citizenship at birth, he would have foreign influence. A dual-citizen, that is self explanatory, even you can understand that.
Sorry Dufus. According to US law a child of aliens if born here is a natural born citizen. It is false to assume the child of alien citizens inherits foreign citizenship. In the US for most of the first half of the 19th century a child born abroad of US parents was born an alien. It is also irrelevant if a child born here is considered a citizen per FOREIGN LAW WHICH HAS NO FORCE OR EFFECT WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE UNITED STATES.
As such FOREIGN LAW WHICH HAS NO EFFECT cannot have the effect of imparting "foreign influence".
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184277 Jan 18, 2014
Dufus Dale believes that FOREIGN law has the power to impart foreign influence when in fact foreign law has NO FORCE OR EFFECT in the UNITED STATES, which btw is a SOVEREIGN nation.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184278 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, we didn't have a national law on citizenship until 1866 and that law excluded citizenship to persons born in the US that were subject to any foreign power.
On the contrary, we did not have an explicit national law, but a national law was understood according to the Constitution which referred to natural born citizen which was understood under common law. See Lynch v. Clarke wherein the character of the then unwritten national law was fully elucidated.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#184279 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, we didn't have a national law on citizenship until 1866 and that law excluded citizenship to persons born in the US that were subject to any foreign power.
Child born here of aliens is not subject to any foreign power and can give the finger to the country of his parents with impunity and under the protection of the United States, the US being the countrycountry of his birth where he was born a natural born citizen.
sallylou

Pittsburgh, PA

#184280 Jan 18, 2014
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Indianapolis, IN

#184281 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, a natural born citizen does not have any foreign influence, Obama was never a NBC.
Sorry, play law has no influence. Foreign or domestic. Dufus fables were never real law

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