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BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184301 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but under US law we can't strip a citizenship from anyone, unless requested by that individual, which leads us in another direction (dual-citizenship), which brings us back to the same old thing.
"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.
Sorry Bozo, persons born in the US of alien parents are completely subject to US jurisdiction. Elk, who was born within the limits of the US buyt on an Indian reservation was an exception. that has nothing to do with persons born in the US of aliens from foreign countries outside the US.

Grow up, child.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>As Madison stated, place (of birth) is the most certain criterion of allegiance: "it is what applies in the United States." That is why a person born in Hawaii of an alien father is not under any "foreign influence" under US law. That is why Ted Cruz has a problem.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184302 Jan 18, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text> "A person who is born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, becomes an American citizen not by gift of Congress but by force of the Constitution. " >>>>> becomes <<<<< When someone becomes a citizen of the United States they are naturalized citizens,not Natural Born Citizens.
So when Frank became a citizen he was a naturalized citizen? Or did Frank not become a citizen?

Frank, please take your Aricept.

Frank does not believe that someone could have became a natural born citizen when they became a born person. Frank is not working with a full deck.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184303 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
In dufus Dale's play world "answered with my last post."
Again, Dufus, how does foreign law that HAS NO EFFECT in the US impart "foreign influence" under US law?
It was James Madison who said, that it is PLACE (of birth) that matters (concerning allegiance) in the United States.
You think James Madison didn't understand who was born a natural born citizen?
<quoted text>
For one thing the US can't strip a citizenship from anyone, unless requested by that individual, through the naturalization process and do we not practice the same by giving citizenship to people born offshore to US citizens.

Madison couldn't see what was coming, "All persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power/and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)".

What no comment on Texas, of course not, that would leave your without close. "Jurisdiction, thereof" has never been about territory, it has always been about being subject to the Constitution, which is only for the Citizens of the US, all others are controlled by treaties.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184305 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Bozo, persons born in the US of alien parents are completely subject to US jurisdiction. Elk, who was born within the limits of the US buyt on an Indian reservation was an exception. that has nothing to do with persons born in the US of aliens from foreign countries outside the US.
Grow up, child.
<quoted text>
Sorry, Elk was just like a German, he belong to another nation. The limits of the US stopped at the Nations borders, why do you think we made treaties with them, we don't make treaties with ourselves.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184306 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law.
Actually that is not true, Mr. Play Justice.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184307 Jan 18, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I have much admiration for wojar , Ellen and Atticus. What patience! If they were birthers like you, they would've told you a long time ago to take a hike, sonny. You have emphasized how little you know on the subject yet another time. You glean stuff from somewhere (the internet?), reproduce it and when asked to elaborate, you come up with replies like the one above. Unbelievable, as you have not a clue what the hell you are talking about, so obvious that you cut and pasted the words "statutory law" and "Constitutional law".
Since you haven't any idea what we are talking about, your input is irrelevant, but please keep those post coming, you are funny.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184308 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>For one thing the US can't strip a citizenship from anyone, unless requested by that individual, through the naturalization process and do we not practice the same by giving citizenship to people born offshore to US citizens.
Madison couldn't see what was coming, "All persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power/and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)".
What no comment on Texas, of course not, that would leave your without close. "Jurisdiction, thereof" has never been about territory, it has always been about being subject to the Constitution, which is only for the Citizens of the US, all others are controlled by treaties.
The acquisition of US citizenship to a person born in the US is not an act of stripping citizenship by the US.

Sorry Dufus. You need to quit taking drugs.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
In dufus Dale's play world "answered with my last post."
Again, Dufus, how does foreign law that HAS NO EFFECT in the US impart "foreign influence" under US law?
It was James Madison who said, that it is PLACE (of birth) that matters (concerning allegiance) in the United States.
You think James Madison didn't understand who was born a natural born citizen?
<quoted text>
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184309 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that is not true, Mr. Play Justice.
Yes it is, checkout the citizenship clause.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184310 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, Elk was just like a German, he belong to another nation. The limits of the US stopped at the Nations borders, why do you think we made treaties with them, we don't make treaties with ourselves.
Elk was not just like a German. Germany is not located within the borders of the United States and does not exist as a nation within the borders of the United States on the basis of a treaty with the United States. Elk's claim to citizenship was based on the fact that he was born within the limits of the United States However, he was not born a citizen because he was not completely under the jurisdiction of the United States since he was within the Indian reservation which was a foreign nation. Now please explain how being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany.

Puh-lease! Grow up!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Bozo, persons born in the US of alien parents are completely subject to US jurisdiction. Elk, who was born within the limits of the US buyt on an Indian reservation was an exception. that has nothing to do with persons born in the US of aliens from foreign countries outside the US.
Grow up, child.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184311 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that is not true, Mr. Play Justice.
Oh, and even better checkout what Howard said about within the limits of the US.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184312 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Elk was not just like a German. Germany is not located within the borders of the United States and does not exist as a nation within the borders of the United States on the basis of a treaty with the United States. Elk's claim to citizenship was based on the fact that he was born within the limits of the United States However, he was not born a citizen because he was not completely under the jurisdiction of the United States since he was within the Indian reservation which was a foreign nation. Now please explain how being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany.
Puh-lease! Grow up!
<quoted text>
Does that mean we belong to Canada and Mexico?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184313 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Elk was not just like a German. Germany is not located within the borders of the United States and does not exist as a nation within the borders of the United States on the basis of a treaty with the United States. Elk's claim to citizenship was based on the fact that he was born within the limits of the United States However, he was not born a citizen because he was not completely under the jurisdiction of the United States since he was within the Indian reservation which was a foreign nation. Now please explain how being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany.
Puh-lease! Grow up!
<quoted text>
Oh, so now Obama wasn't born a citizen, since he wasn't under the complete jurisdiction of the US Constitution, wish you would makeup your mind. This is what I have been telling you, how many years.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184314 Jan 18, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that is not true, Mr. Play Justice.[QUOTE]

[QUOTE who="Dale"]<quote d text>Yes it is, checkout the citizenship clause.
Citizenship clause? Got Alzheimer's?

Dufus Dale: "All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law."

Now please, does he really think statutory law is the citizenship clause of the fourteenth amendment?

Apparently Dale forgot his train of thought. That's what happens when he's intoxicated by drugs and grandiose delusions.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184315 Jan 18, 2014
Dufus Dale: "All persons born to citizens outside the US are citizens of the US, of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law."

I refer Dale to 8 USC 1401.

Please point to the statutory provision wherein ALL PERSONS BORN TO CITIZENS OUTSIDE THE US ARE CITIZENS OF THE US.

Moron.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#184316 Jan 18, 2014
Miller time!!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184317 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Does that mean we belong to Canada and Mexico?
Huh? RU on LSD? Or is it schizophrenia? What part of the US is located within the borders of Canada? What part of the US is located within the borders of Mexico? And when was the US bounded by the nation of Canada-Mexico obtaining quasi-independent status by treaty with the nation of Canada-Mexico?

UR a drunken fool.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Elk was not just like a German. Germany is not located within the borders of the United States and does not exist as a nation within the borders of the United States on the basis of a treaty with the United States. Elk's claim to citizenship was based on the fact that he was born within the limits of the United States However, he was not born a citizen because he was not completely under the jurisdiction of the United States since he was within the Indian reservation which was a foreign nation. Now please explain how being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany.
Puh-lease! Grow up!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184318 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, and even better checkout what Howard said about within the limits of the US.
Again, moron, your comment concerned statutory law, which you claimed made "All persons born to citizens outside the US ... citizens of the US".

Dufus Dale: "of course this statutory law, not Constitutional Law".

Howard was concerned with the 14th amendment,. not 8 USC 1401.

Got Alzheimer's? Or is your brain burned out from meth?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually that is not true, Mr. Play Justice.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184319 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>
Madison couldn't see what was coming, "All persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power/and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)".
Madison saw what was coming, as the 14th amendment is a restatement of what he declared.

Place of birth is what determines allegiance in the United States. That's what he said. That means persons born in the US of alien parents are not subject to any foreign power. He had the bases covered.

Sorry, loser.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184320 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, so now Obama wasn't born a citizen, since he wasn't under the complete jurisdiction of the US Constitution, wish you would makeup your mind. This is what I have been telling you, how many years.
Huh?

Being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany? Really? Being born in Honolulu is like being born on an Indian reservation? Really?

Dufus Dale is missing a few cards from his deck.

Miller Time? It can't hurt, Dale has no sense to be dulled.

[QUOTE who='wojar"]
<quoted text>
Elk was not just like a German. Germany is not located within the borders of the United States and does not exist as a nation within the borders of the United States on the basis of a treaty with the United States. Elk's claim to citizenship was based on the fact that he was born within the limits of the United States. However, he was not born a citizen because he was not completely under the jurisdiction of the United States since he was within the Indian reservation which was a foreign nation. Now please explain how being born in Honolulu is like being born in Germany.
Puh-lease! Grow up![/QUOTE]

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#184321 Jan 18, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, Elk was just like a German, he belong to another nation. The limits of the US stopped at the Nations borders, why do you think we made treaties with them, we don't make treaties with ourselves.
Elk had nothing to do with being like a German. Does Dufus Dale really think Hans Schmidt born in Berlin of two German parents not US citizens could claim US citizenship because he was born within the borders of the United States?

Just like a German? What a DOLT!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Bozo, persons born in the US of alien parents are completely subject to US jurisdiction. Elk, who was born within the limits of the US buyt on an Indian reservation was an exception. that has nothing to do with persons born in the US of aliens from foreign countries outside the US.
Grow up, child.

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