BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Read more

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#183605 Jan 6, 2014
You betcha' that abrupt change happens even to those members of the public who are vocal. Their families are threatened by the Freemasons.
BC UPDATE wrote:
The Alabama Supreme Court may Collapse Obama’s house of cards
October 10, 2013 by Tommy Thompson 63 Comments
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What’s been the biggest obstacle in challenging Obama’s eligibility in court? It’s been finding a judge who isn’t afraid to allow the merits of the case against Obama to be argued in court. The Alabama Supreme Court might just be different. In an earlier case before the Alabama Supremes, Associate Judge Tom Parker stated that “McInnish has attached certain documentation (Joe Arpaio’s investigation) to his mandamus petition, which, if presented to the appropriate forum as part of a proper evidentiary presentation, would raise serious questions about the authenticity of both the ‘short form’ and ‘long form’ birth certificates of President Barack Hussein Obama that have been made public.”
Here, we have a judge who actually recognizes that the fake birth certificates are a serious issue and should be addressed. Now we have a new case before the Alabama Supreme Court. This case is McInnish/Goode v. Beth Chapman (SOS). It is being handled by famous attorney Larry Klayman. Also, it will be the first and only civil case in which Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse is personally involved. Chief investigator for Arpaio Mike Zullo has written a 200 point affidavit to this court and has agreed to testify in person. Zullo will show the court that the “picture” of the long form birth certificate is a 100% digitally created fake.
Now comes even better news. In the 2012 elections, Alabama elected Judge Roy Moore as the Chief Justice of her Supreme Court. In an earlier interview concerning the case against Terry Lakin, Justice Moore stated that he not only thought that Lt. Col Lakin had a right to question Obama’s eligibility, but had a duty to do so.
He also said that he has seen no documentary evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen, and in fact hasn’t seen anything that even proves he is a citizen of the US. Judge Roy Moore is a staunch Constitutionalist who declares that the Constitution is the “law of the land” and cannot be changed by politics. He’s a tough judge.
I’ve followed most of the eligibility cases, and I’ve noticed a very common occurrence. Even in those cases in which the judge appears to follow the law, there seems always to be a sudden and abrupt change. As in the Georgia case before Judge Michael Malihi, the case was pretty well decided by a default judgment against Obama when Malihi abruptly dismissed the case. This was done even though Obama’s attorneys refused to show up in court.
When you read Judge Malihi’s decision and compare it to his earlier denial of motion to dismiss, it’s as if they were written by two different people. Could it be that Judge Malihi got a visit? And from whom? And who wrote the decision? I don’t see this happening to Judge Roy Moore and the Alabama Supreme Court. I don’t think they can be intimidated. There is no timeline for the court to rule on this case, so we wait to see what happens. This could be monumental.
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/alabama-supr...
Dale

Wichita, KS

#183606 Jan 6, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>It's not for me personally that I believe in a society that values the labor of its members or the need for just wages for all who work.
LMAO!!! So you are a Marxist.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Karl Marx

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#183607 Jan 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Do you really think a bill for $15.00 hr. minimum wage would pass the house??? Hahahaha!!!
Huh? Where did did Dale get the idea that I said a $15.00 minimum wage increase was imminent? Hallucinating again? His buddy seemed to think that minimum wage laws were immoral and unconstitutional. They are not, as I correctly pointed out. And a minimum wage increase, perhaps a substantial increase may pass the House, not tomorrow, but it well may happen. "You may say I.m a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
We the People also have a Congress, and last time I checked, they occasionally enact laws, and sometimes even draft Constitutional amendments that become law.
Didn't Dale ever learn that in Play Law 101?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#183608 Jan 7, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! So you are a Marxist.
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Karl Marx
Federal minimum wage are Marxist? Since federal minimum wage is constitutional, then, according to Play Law, the Constitution is Marxist.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>It's not for me personally that I believe in a society that values the labor of its members or the need for just wages for all who work.
angel

Boise, ID

#183609 Jan 7, 2014
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>Let's see, well there's Treason for starters. Aiding and abetting the 9/11 attacks on the WTC buildings, the Pentagon and Conspiracy. Then there's the whole election-fraud and vote-tampering, etc.
www.wtc7.net
www.911truth.org
www.AE911truth.org
Kenyan-born gay Moslem Obama is the Antichrist.
I hate to agree with Rogue but im sorry Al Queda were responsible for the WTC attacks period.
Not that Bush and Cheney didnt exploit it to further their agenda afterwards but they sure as hell didnt orchestrate it.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#183610 Jan 7, 2014
angel wrote:
<quoted text>I hate to agree with Rogue but im sorry Al Queda were responsible for the WTC attacks period.
Not that Bush and Cheney didnt exploit it to further their agenda afterwards but they sure as hell didnt orchestrate it.
Reality has no place in Welby's fantasy. That kind of crazy requires regularly administered dosages

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183611 Jan 7, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
Hi Jacques, Happy New Year. I hope your keeping warm up there in north country. Lord knows we sure could use some of that global warming down here. So the new year brings new themes that the democrats are going to try and score with and I was curious about what your thoughts were on them. What exactly should be the minimum wage for every entry level employee, and why is it that government should decide that? Should government also decide what a maximum wage should be, and how would that be determined? How many months or years of unemployment should be paid to someone who has lost their job and who should get the bill for that? At what point in time does it become welfare? And finally, and this one is my favorite, the democrats believe there should be a "mincome" established where every adult of working age gets paid a minimum income for doing absolutely nothing. What should that income be, how often should they get a raise, and should they have any obligation to society for receiving it? Do you think that all of these things are really a positive and productive contribution to a free society and how do they get paid for without rampant wealth creation from capitalism?
Same to you. It rained yesterday, then the freeze came, can hardly navigate my own walk and driveway today, all of it ice.

Anyhow, not up to me to tell you about minimum wage. But, surely, it should be a state thing as it is a provincial thing up here as cost of living fluctuates a lot between states/provinces.

I saw you referred to gov't as "mob" in a subsequent post. Well, it's the gov't the people has elected, whether we like it or not, based on constitutional foundations and sworn to protect the people against interior AND exterior forces. I don't like my own gov't, but I would hardly call it the "mob". Labour management, before the 1920s and even some time after that, thrived on 6-day-50-hr work week, on child labour, no vacation or sick leave and horrendous safety conditions in construction and factories. No pensions, no social security, no health care. Gov't,, with pressure from unions, improved all that. For the better although albeit, in more prosperous times, with some exaggeration. But don't kid yourself,. were the employers left to legislate their own work rules, it would be back to long hours, no benefits and child labour. We need the "mob" to legislate workers' rights - as we need it to legislate seat belts and air bags. Were it left to auto manufacturers, it would not be an exaggeration to state that even brakes would be optional - and I think they were in the beginning. Certainly, windshield wipers and lights were. Someone had to step in.

Yes, the citizen has to be protected and defended from within and without. The gov't does that, or is supposed to do that. It's its job. Over here, our minimum wage ranges anywhere from $10.50 to almost $12.00 and hour. Seems like a lot. But no one can live off that kind of wage. Not even a couple that each earns it. You know it. I know it. Unfortunately, we will always need fast food workers and other low-paid workers. Not everyone can be a CEO or doctor, and anyhow, even were it so, it's an impossible proposition. We have to pay those people a decent wage. They are the ones on food stamps, even though they are employed. In the long run, I believe food stamps probably cost more than paying a decent minimum wage which would perhaps increase the cost of a Big Mac by 50 cents. Less administration too.

Most of these workers in big box stores like Walmart and K-Mart earn minimum wage which, I believe tops off at $8.00 except in restaurants where it's even less. They get food stamps, a lot of them. And use these food stamps to purchase food and stuff at...Walmart and K-Mart. Taxpayer pays twice, subsidizes big stores twice. There has to be a way out.

That, to me, is the essence of a free society. Giving the citizen, the worker, the means to exercise said freedom.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#183612 Jan 7, 2014
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
We the people will determine the ground rules for our society. If you have a problem with that, it's your problem.
<quoted text>
The constitution is what sets the ground rules for our society. We the people are supposed to defend it against ALL enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC. We are not a mob rule democracy wojar, we are a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC. The rights reside in the individual and the states based on that outline, and you're absolutely correct that me, and others who learned that, respect that and want to preserve that have a problem. Its citizens like yourself that is the problem wojar. To many have been indoctrinated with your method of thinking, and it will divide and destroy what we all have, which is freedom. As long as you believe you have the moral justification to prey on your fellow citizen because your mob has deemed it, we are all in jeapordy, just like the gypsies and jews were in pre world war II Germany. Its remarkable what the mob is capable of, and that makes you the danger. Your a smart guy that is just to stupid and unwilling to recognize the slippery slope you are pulling us onto as a nation.
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#183613 Jan 7, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again with your loony-tooney-left sources. Why don't you just do a citizen's arrest on G.W. Bush?
Oh, BTW, we told the world that if any WMD were used against American troops, we would NUKE them!!!
Open up your eyes and see how all corporate Rightwing Republicans and all corporate Centrist Democrats are destroying America.

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A Hard Lesson from Motown: They Will Steal Your Pension
December 04 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/psolw7b
Anyone in a public-sector job looking forward to retiring in comfort should look carefully at what is going on in Detroit and Springfield, Ill. Sherlock Holmes would call it the case of the missing pension money.
News leaking out this week from the Motor City tells how the enormous gap between the pensions workers earned and the money set aside to pay for them will be closed. By stealing from the workers.
Courts, legislatures, and corporations are all working in concert not to pay the full benefits owed. For decades, political and business leaders failed to set aside the right amount of money each payday to cover the pensions workers earned and, in some cases, covered up the mismanagement of pension fund investments.
http://www.newsweek.com/hard-lesson-motown-th...
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#183614 Jan 7, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Same to you. It rained yesterday, then the freeze came, can hardly navigate my own walk and driveway today, all of it ice.
Anyhow, not up to me to tell you about minimum wage. But, surely, it should be a state thing as it is a provincial thing up here as cost of living fluctuates a lot between states/provinces.
I saw you referred to gov't as "mob" in a subsequent post. Well, it's the gov't the people has elected, whether we like it or not, based on constitutional foundations and sworn to protect the people against interior AND exterior forces. I don't like my own gov't, but I would hardly call it the "mob". Labour management, before the 1920s and even some time after that, thrived on 6-day-50-hr work week, on child labour, no vacation or sick leave and horrendous safety conditions in construction and factories. No pensions, no social security, no health care. Gov't,, with pressure from unions, improved all that. For the better although albeit, in more prosperous times, with some exaggeration. But don't kid yourself,. were the employers left to legislate their own work rules, it would be back to long hours, no benefits and child labour. We need the "mob" to legislate workers' rights - as we need it to legislate seat belts and air bags. Were it left to auto manufacturers, it would not be an exaggeration to state that even brakes would be optional - and I think they were in the beginning. Certainly, windshield wipers and lights were. Someone had to step in.
Yes, the citizen has to be protected and defended from within and without. The gov't does that, or is supposed to do that. It's its job. Over here, our minimum wage ranges anywhere from $10.50 to almost $12.00 and hour. Seems like a lot. But no one can live off that kind of wage. Not even a couple that each earns it. You know it. I know it. Unfortunately, we will always need fast food workers and other low-paid workers. Not everyone can be a CEO or doctor, and anyhow, even were it so, it's an impossible proposition. We have to pay those people a decent wage. They are the ones on food stamps, even though they are employed. In the long run, I believe food stamps probably cost more than paying a decent minimum wage which would perhaps increase the cost of a Big Mac by 50 cents. Less administration too.
Most of these workers in big box stores like Walmart and K-Mart earn minimum wage which, I believe tops off at $8.00 except in restaurants where it's even less. They get food stamps, a lot of them. And use these food stamps to purchase food and stuff at...Walmart and K-Mart. Taxpayer pays twice, subsidizes big stores twice. There has to be a way out.
That, to me, is the essence of a free society. Giving the citizen, the worker, the means to exercise said freedom.
I do appreciate your thoughts on that Jacques, and the time you take to present your opinion. In past postings you have heralded that democrats are the only ones that look out for the little guy that struggles, yet here in America, this president has presided over the wealthiest among us (top 1%) in the last five years seeing their compensation increase by 34%, while he tells us he has improved the economy for all, while at the same time prepares to give a speech today demanding another extension to the career unemployed and highlight "income inequality". An inequality that has grown under democrat leadership or lack there of. The middle and lower earners have stagnated or declined, poverty has risen sharply, food assistance is at an all time high. What policies do democrats work to establish? Allow more immigrants into the country illegally by rewarding them at the expense of our citizens looking for work ( actual unemployment rate hovers around 11%). Passing more regulations that will kill the coal industry, strangle fossil fuel production, increase energy and food costs (which hurt the poorest the hardest).
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#183615 Jan 7, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
It was all over the media before both the Persian Gulf War and the Iraq War.and it scared the hell out of you Libtards. This from the New York TIMES.
THREATS AND RESPONSES: THE IRAQIS; U.S. SAYS HUSSEIN INTENSIFIES QUEST FOR A-BOMB PARTS
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and JUDITH MILLER
Published: September 08, 2002
Administration officials also assert that the acquisition of nuclear arms might embolden Mr. Hussein and increase the chances that he might use chemical or biological weapons. The officials contend that Mr. Hussein refrained from using chemical and germ weapons during the 1991 Persian Gulf war because he feared a devastating retaliatory[nuclear] blow from the United States and that he might now conclude that the Americans would not dare strike him if he had nuclear weapons.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threa...
Try and prove me wrong and I bet you cannot do it.

Cheney's office with Libby were continually feeding Judy Miller fabrications about WMD and she was printing it on the front cover of the New York Times.

Cheney goes on Meet The Press and tells Tim Russert see even the New York Times is saying WMDs in Iraq.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#183617 Jan 7, 2014
Democracynow org wrote:
<quoted text>
Open up your eyes and see how all corporate Rightwing Republicans and all corporate Centrist Democrats are destroying America.
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A Hard Lesson from Motown: They Will Steal Your Pension
December 04 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/psolw7b
Anyone in a public-sector job looking forward to retiring in comfort should look carefully at what is going on in Detroit and Springfield, Ill. Sherlock Holmes would call it the case of the missing pension money.
News leaking out this week from the Motor City tells how the enormous gap between the pensions workers earned and the money set aside to pay for them will be closed. By stealing from the workers.
Courts, legislatures, and corporations are all working in concert not to pay the full benefits owed. For decades, political and business leaders failed to set aside the right amount of money each payday to cover the pensions workers earned and, in some cases, covered up the mismanagement of pension fund investments.
http://www.newsweek.com/hard-lesson-motown-th...
What you fail to acknowledge and recognize is that the pension money you claim is being "stolen" is already stolen money. It was taken from those who worked for it and created it in the private sector and transferred to public sector workers who's unions, in conjunction with government created a system of retirement that was unsustainable in the long term to satisfy the greed of those demanding it in the short term. Those jobs no longer exist for their children because the economic resources are not there. Like Maggie Thatcher so wisely said, "socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money". Detroit has run out of other peoples money, plain and simple. None to take, can't borrow anymore, and they can't print like our federal government is doing. Your moniker name should really be "communism now.org " if you were honest.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#183619 Jan 7, 2014
Back to you Jacques. You mention that the government was the ones who brought us all this "safety", and to a degree I would concur. They did make it happen faster then it may have otherwise, but if given the opportunity, market forces in a free society would have prompted innovation in the already invented mouse traps and improvements would have happened on their own. The government was not responsible for the industrial revolution, freedom and private property rights were. As corporate America increased in size and wealth, and bought the governments influence to eliminate competition through licensing, other regulations, taxation and consolidation, we saw fewer opportunities being created in the private sector. Our government did not invent the candle or the light bulb, but it did strangle Tesla from implementing a better form of delivering electricity because Edison was a better politician, not a better inventor.
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#183621 Jan 7, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
What you fail to acknowledge and recognize is that the pension money you claim is being "stolen" is already stolen money. It was taken from those who worked for it and created it in the private sector and transferred to public sector workers who's unions, in conjunction with government created a system of retirement that was unsustainable in the long term to satisfy the greed of those demanding it in the short term. Those jobs no longer exist for their children because the economic resources are not there. Like Maggie Thatcher so wisely said, "socialism works great until you run out of other peoples money". Detroit has run out of other peoples money, plain and simple. None to take, can't borrow anymore, and they can't print like our federal government is doing. Your moniker name should really be "communism now.org " if you were honest.
Tax breaks for billionaires
Loophole for hedge fund managers costs billions in tax revenue
July 24, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2xd8rk
This policy memo focuses on the privileged tax treatment given to hedge fund managers that results in a conservative estimate of over $6 billion in forgone tax revenue.
Private investment companies, organized as hedge funds or private equity firms, have recently grown into major economic forces in the U.S. economy. They mobilize capital, and often leverage it with borrowed funds, in order to accumulate a tremendous amount of assets under their management. These investments include leveraged buyouts; market-neutral investment strategies in publicly traded stocks and bonds, energy, and other commodities; various arbitrage strategies; as well as many lesser known and some entirely unreported transactions.

Hedge funds are big players in the large corporate take-over activity that reached $3.6 trillion in 2006¸ and they are also responsible for a significant share of trading volume on the major stock exchanges and in some over-the-counter derivatives markets.
Conclusion
Congress has the opportunity to correct a bad economic policy and free up resources to fund better priorities. This analysis points to the need to update the nation’s tax laws dealing with private pools of capital. The current law is generating inefficiencies and great inequality by granting tax breaks to individuals who do not need and do not deserve such favors. The nation has greater and more deserving priorities. If the amount of tax revenue lost to private equity firm managers is equivalent to that lost with hedge funds, then the combined amount would be $12.6 billion. This forgone revenue stream could, for example, fully fund the five-year,$35 billion expansion of SCHIP, the public health insurance program for low-income children. http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm120

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The CEO Plan to Steal Your Social Security and Medicare
July 30, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/cq5h4uj
Many people are following the presidential election closely with the idea that the outcome will have a major impact on national policy. However, according to Steven Pearlstein, a veteran Washington Post columnist and reporter, it may not matter who wins the election. In a column last week, Pearlstein told readers that the top executives of some of the country’s largest companies are getting together to craft a budget package that they will try to push through Congress and get the president to sign.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-co...

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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183622 Jan 7, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I do appreciate your thoughts on that Jacques, and the time you take to present your opinion. In past postings you have heralded that democrats are the only ones that look out for the little guy that struggles, yet here in America, this president has presided over the wealthiest among us (top 1%) in the last five years seeing their compensation increase by 34%, while he tells us he has improved the economy for all, while at the same time prepares to give a speech today demanding another extension to the career unemployed and highlight "income inequality". An inequality that has grown under democrat leadership or lack there of. The middle and lower earners have stagnated or declined, poverty has risen sharply, food assistance is at an all time high. What policies do democrats work to establish? Allow more immigrants into the country illegally by rewarding them at the expense of our citizens looking for work ( actual unemployment rate hovers around 11%). Passing more regulations that will kill the coal industry, strangle fossil fuel production, increase energy and food costs (which hurt the poorest the hardest).
Well said, except I would say that the 1% was in place when Obama arrived. Is it reasonable to think, in the depth of this recession, that the 1% figure would improve to even 1.5%? Also, as a reminder, and when gov't was bailing out the big banks and brokers, Obama was thwarted by Congress in his efforts to have bonuses to CEOs and their underlings cut or at least partially cut. Obama, Romney, Bush, Carter, Clinton, all of them Repubs and Dems, can hardly change the fabric of the American economy. Look for that 1% to persist for a long long time.

As to social benefits, need I reel them off again?...they are all Dem all of them. Our equivalent of your Repub party here in Canada, called the Conservative party, has never ever legislated anything benefitting directly the ordinary citizen. If, on the other hand, the Repubs in your country have, I'd like to hear about it.
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#183623 Jan 7, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said, except I would say that the 1% was in place when Obama arrived. Is it reasonable to think, in the depth of this recession, that the 1% figure would improve to even 1.5%? Also, as a reminder, and when gov't was bailing out the big banks and brokers, Obama was thwarted by Congress in his efforts to have bonuses to CEOs and their underlings cut or at least partially cut. Obama, Romney, Bush, Carter, Clinton, all of them Repubs and Dems, can hardly change the fabric of the American economy. Look for that 1% to persist for a long long time.
As to social benefits, need I reel them off again?...they are all Dem all of them. Our equivalent of your Repub party here in Canada, called the Conservative party, has never ever legislated anything benefitting directly the ordinary citizen. If, on the other hand, the Repubs in your country have, I'd like to hear about it.
The Republican party in America is 100% pro Wall Street and against main street.

Even the Tory's in England love government run health care.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183624 Jan 7, 2014
Democracynow org wrote:
<quoted text>
Tax breaks for billionaires
Loophole for hedge fund managers costs billions in tax revenue
July 24, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2xd8rk
This policy memo focuses on the privileged tax treatment given to hedge fund managers that results in a conservative estimate of over $6 billion in forgone tax revenue.
Private investment companies, organized as hedge funds or private equity firms, have recently grown into major economic forces in the U.S. economy. They mobilize capital, and often leverage it with borrowed funds, in order to accumulate a tremendous amount of assets under their management. These investments include leveraged buyouts; market-neutral investment strategies in publicly traded stocks and bonds, energy, and other commodities; various arbitrage strategies; as well as many lesser known and some entirely unreported transactions.
Hedge funds are big players in the large corporate take-over activity that reached $3.6 trillion in 2006¸ and they are also responsible for a significant share of trading volume on the major stock exchanges and in some over-the-counter derivatives markets.
Conclusion
Congress has the opportunity to correct a bad economic policy and free up resources to fund better priorities. This analysis points to the need to update the nation’s tax laws dealing with private pools of capital. The current law is generating inefficiencies and great inequality by granting tax breaks to individuals who do not need and do not deserve such favors. The nation has greater and more deserving priorities. If the amount of tax revenue lost to private equity firm managers is equivalent to that lost with hedge funds, then the combined amount would be $12.6 billion. This forgone revenue stream could, for example, fully fund the five-year,$35 billion expansion of SCHIP, the public health insurance program for low-income children. http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm120
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The CEO Plan to Steal Your Social Security and Medicare
July 30, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/cq5h4uj
Many people are following the presidential election closely with the idea that the outcome will have a major impact on national policy. However, according to Steven Pearlstein, a veteran Washington Post columnist and reporter, it may not matter who wins the election. In a column last week, Pearlstein told readers that the top executives of some of the country’s largest companies are getting together to craft a budget package that they will try to push through Congress and get the president to sign.
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-co...
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As to pensions, and in response to Obskeptic, nothing was taken from the taxpayer. Employee and employer each paid their share in contributions (though employer often cheated, badly investing employees' shares and often not making its own contributions). Also, actuaries warned of pension benefit and contributions shortfall in the 60s, but were ignored as gov't and industry deemed it not popular to increase contributions as it should have, even though lifespan had increased by a full 10 years in the last half century and baby boomers were going to retire at the same time. Detroit municipal workers contributed to their pension fund at the rate of 7% of salary , plus supposedly employer's 7%. Now they are told they'll only get a portion of their pensions and in certain cases not at all. That's fair? We have the same thing with Nortel and Blackberry here now.
Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#183625 Jan 7, 2014
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
As to pensions, and in response to Obskeptic, nothing was taken from the taxpayer. Employee and employer each paid their share in contributions (though employer often cheated, badly investing employees' shares and often not making its own contributions). Also, actuaries warned of pension benefit and contributions shortfall in the 60s, but were ignored as gov't and industry deemed it not popular to increase contributions as it should have, even though lifespan had increased by a full 10 years in the last half century and baby boomers were going to retire at the same time. Detroit municipal workers contributed to their pension fund at the rate of 7% of salary , plus supposedly employer's 7%. Now they are told they'll only get a portion of their pensions and in certain cases not at all. That's fair? We have the same thing with Nortel and Blackberry here now.
There are people in New York who worked for Sears 25-30 years and lost pensions.

They are still forced to work well into their 70s and cannot retire.

The 401ks ruined the pension systems like we used to have when an employer took a little out and put it in a pension fund that created interest.

Those days are gone unfortunately.

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Can You Afford To Retire? Video / http://tinyurl.com/h8xdx
The baby boomer generation is headed for a shock as it hits retirement: many of them will be long on life expectancy but short on savings. The two main strategies for funding retirement -- lifetime pensions and 401(k)-style savings plans -- are in serious trouble. In "Can You Afford to Retire?" FRONTLINE correspondent Hedrick Smith ("Is Wal-Mart Good for America?") investigates this looming financial crisis and the outlook for middle-class Americans.(more)»
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retir...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183626 Jan 7, 2014
Obskeptic wrote:
Back to you Jacques. You mention that the government was the ones who brought us all this "safety", and to a degree I would concur. They did make it happen faster then it may have otherwise, but if given the opportunity, market forces in a free society would have prompted innovation in the already invented mouse traps and improvements would have happened on their own. The government was not responsible for the industrial revolution, freedom and private property rights were. As corporate America increased in size and wealth, and bought the governments influence to eliminate competition through licensing, other regulations, taxation and consolidation, we saw fewer opportunities being created in the private sector. Our government did not invent the candle or the light bulb, but it did strangle Tesla from implementing a better form of delivering electricity because Edison was a better politician, not a better inventor.
One more thing. You say that eventually, corporations would've improved workers' conditions. I don't agree. Look a the workers in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, China, making electronics, clothes, on the cheap for corporate America. What about their conditions? Prison-like factories, starvation wages, poor worker safety, fires in padlocked factories and crumbling edifices that collapsed, creating, in one case, 1000 deaths even though owner was warned that building was unsafe. Who , in the final analysis, did this "owner" process cheap clothes, electronics and shoes for? Hilfiger, Nike, Joe, Reebok, Sony, GE, and most of the reasonably-price clothes and stuff you buy at Sears, Walmart, KMart etc. And those Americans and Canadians (yes, we are no exception) are the ones who contracted those goods and services made by these "slaves". Oh , great, reaction was the same all over from our North American moguls, to wit "Oh, had we known workers were treated like that..." What BS! They closed their eyes, knew, and still know darn well what's going on. They are acting, these CEOs, the same way OUR CEOs were acting towards their workers pre-1920. And like ours, they won't change their ways unless forced to do so by worker representatives and gov'ts, respectively.

Through subsidies, gov't has been in the forefront of inventions. Space exploration alone, totally subsidized by gov't, has spawned electronics, computer hardware and software innovations and applications the likes of which we've never dreamed of. And those NASA engineers, scientists, workers, are gov't workers, like it or not. In aviation, what was it that created the U.S. and world passenger jet age, if not the KC-135, developed by Boeing with gov't funding that became the famous 707? And the 747 that was the result of a gov't-funded competition won by Lockheed with its C-5 - Boeing simply converted its lost bid into the 747. And so on.

Edison and Tesla - that was the 1860s. But, since the beginning of gov't intervention and subsidies to corporations in the 1930s, the world has known more progress in all fields in the last 100 years than since humans rose onto their own two legs.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#183627 Jan 7, 2014
Jacques,
Another day of headaches is in store for air travelers again.
A quick glance at O'Hare airport's roster for today reveals a long list of canceled flight.
It just goes to show how unreliable the airlines can be, even on beautiful sunny days having unlimited visibility and without a cloud in the sky.
A little dip in the temperature and those bad boys are practically shut down.
L:O L

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