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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182624 Dec 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, what about this exchange?
Me : Are you telling us that homosexuality is a choice?
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
Are you saying it isn't?
I asked a question about homosexuality, to wit, if it is a choice.
You replied "Are you saying it isn't? "
And my answer is, "no, homosexuality is NOT a choice".
Clear enough? Will you once more deny what you wrote black on white? I answered "NO".
What is your answer? Is homosexuality (a perversion to you) a choice? YES OR NO ? I answered "NO".
Last time I ask. Another evasive answer will confirm that you believe homosexuality is a choice.
I simply asked a question. You finally answered it. Bravo! Thanks. Say, ever seen a gay baby? Hmmmm.........
Learn to Read

United States

#182625 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Since you were unable to answer a simple question, I have no choice but to go with the "too dense" option. Still pouting, I see. Awww..... HAQ
I told you that you were completely wrong. Did that confuse the lil boi?
Learn to Read

United States

#182626 Dec 20, 2013
Romper. "Hey LTR! Why are you a Notre Dame fan?"

LTR: "I'm not"

Romper. "Of course you are! Why won't you explain yourself!?!?"

LTR: "Any response that I provide will be in English, so I can't expect you to comprehend"
The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182627 Dec 20, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
I told you that you were completely wrong. Did that confuse the lil boi?
But skippy, you carry no more weight than your words. Your opinion matters not. Are you going to pout all day? LMAO! You should consider packing it in!(already done I'm sure) LMAO!!!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#182628 Dec 20, 2013
Dale wrote:

<quoted text>LMAO!!!
ARTICLE III.
If Chinese laborers, or Chinese of any other class, now wither permanently or temporarily residing in the territory of the United States, meet with ill treatment at the hands of any other persons, the Government of the United States will exert all its power to devise measures for their protection and to secure to them the same rights, privileges, immunities, and exemptions as may be enjoyed by the citizens or subjects of the most favored nation, and to which they are entitled by treaty.
__________
NASTY!!! See, aliens while in the US are controlled/protected by treaties, they have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)".
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I give that clownstomp a perfect "10"! Beautifully executed and you really stuck the landing! LMAO!
Says one ignorant birfoon buffoon schoolyard bully birther to the other.

Treaty? Yes, the United States had a treaty with China in the 1860s. Treaty established relations between the two countries and spoke of usual reciprocal good treatment between Chinese and American citizens on each other's territory as ALL treaties do but too often not respected. The Chinese labourers in the U.S.(aka slaves) were treated like dirt, assurances of rights notwithstanding and you know it. ALL treaties talk "good treatment" . So what? Chinese "coolies" as they were respectfully called, had "legal rights" but, de facto, in practice, had none, in spite of pious assurances by the U.S. and reference to a treaty which was just that, a treaty between the gov't of the U.S. and the Chinese gov't that didn't give a hoot what happened to their nationals in the U.S. as long as the remittances kept coming. But what you two ignoramuses just don't understand is that this treaty, or any other, does NOT give one milligram, not one iota of authority to China over the Chinese labourers in the U.S. NOTHING, do you understand? Everyone, any nationality, in any function , be it worker, dependent, tourist, landed immigrant, I repeat , Everyone, is subject to the laws of the United States while he or she is present on its territory. No foreign gov't, notwithstanding treaties, has any jurisdiction over its nationals whilst visiting or residing in another country, in this case the U.S.

The only clownstomping you two losers are doing is clownstomping your own excrements resulting from your numerous Kerplunkings. Eww

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#182629 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply asked a question. You finally answered it. Bravo! Thanks. Say, ever seen a gay baby? Hmmmm.........
Ever seen a hetero baby?
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#182630 Dec 20, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>NASTY!!! Aliens while in the US are controlled by treaties, they have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", this is only a condition that a citizen enjoys.
Since the Constitution doesn't recognize a dual-citizenship, but if it did it would carry the same baggage as a naturalized citizen, it would not be eligible to be POTUS, just due to "foreign influence".
It is you who are being nasty to the millions of US-born Americans whose parents were foreigners who fought in two world wars and who were just as loyal as the US-born children of US citizens.

Everybody in the USA except for the families of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, regardless of whether there is a treaty (and the USA has treaties affecting the rights of foreigners in the USA with only a few countries, not hundreds).

Under strict construction (remember that?) you cannot interpret the Constitution as saying something unless it actually does says it-----and it does NOT say that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen or that a dual citizen is barred from becoming president. It does not say either of those things.

Under libertarian principles neither a law nor the Constitution can take away a right or a privilege unless the Constitution specifically allows that thing to be taken away. And, the Constitution does not specifically take away the right or privilege of the US-born children of foreigners to become president, and it does not take away the right or privilege of the US-born dual citizens either. It does not take away either of those things. It does not SAY any such thing.

And yet slimy Dale wants gullible people to ignore good conservative legal principles such as strict construction and good conservative moral principles such as libertarianism. Why?

The Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." And there is nothing in either the Constitution or in ANY of the writings of the men who were in the Constitutional Convention, or such other American leaders at the time as John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, that says that the US-born children of foreigners are not as eligible as the US-born children of US citizens. But slimy Dale would like to throw out that principle too.

There is NOTHING in the US Constitution or in the writings of any of the framers that says that the US-born children of US citizens are any better than the US-born children of foreigners. NOTHING.

And yet slimy Dale thinks that he can convince a few gullible people that the writers of the US Constitution (who never said any such thing) really believed that the US-born children of foreigners (such as perhaps your father or grandfather) are really not as good citizens as the US-born children of US-citizens.

Well, do you think that you are any better a US citizen than your father or grandfather? Do you think that George Washington thought that your US-born ancestors who had foreign parents should be lower-level citizens than the children of US parents at the time? If Washington did think so, he could have said so--but he never did.

Why does slimy Dale want to throw out strict construction judicial interpretation AND libertarian principles, and ALSO throw out "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"? Who says that the US-born children of foreigners are not created equal with the US born children of US citizens in terms of being eligible to be president? Only slimy Dale. Why SLIMY Dale? Why?
Learn to Read

United States

#182631 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>But skippy, you carry no more weight than your words. Your opinion matters not. Are you going to pout all day? LMAO! You should consider packing it in!(already done I'm sure) LMAO!!!
My opinion? As to what my opinion is? Well I'm sure that you pretend to know better than I do who I like and support, but then you've always been wrong so I don't really concern myself with you or your fables. I just laugh
Dale

United States

#182632 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I give that clownstomp a perfect "10"! Beautifully executed and you really stuck the landing! LMAO!
LMAO!!! Sometimes I forget to post information that is at my finger tips. Hell, sometimes I even forget about this thread.

THANKS!!!
The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182633 Dec 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Ever seen a hetero baby?
Every one I've seen! Ever seen a gay baby? I noticed you didn't answer. LMAO!
The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182634 Dec 20, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
My opinion? As to what my opinion is? Well I'm sure that you pretend to know better than I do who I like and support, but then you've always been wrong so I don't really concern myself with you or your fables. I just laugh
Fret not! We're roaring aloud right along with ya! LMAO!!! Do try and get your lip off the floor!
The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182635 Dec 20, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
My opinion? As to what my opinion is? Well I'm sure that you pretend to know better than I do who I like and support, but then you've always been wrong so I don't really concern myself with you or your fables. I just laugh
While your laughing, I'm depositing money! Thank you for supporting the oil and gas industry! It is the future, ya know? LMAO!!!
The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182636 Dec 20, 2013
Corr: you're

Damn missing keys! LMAO!
Dale

United States

#182637 Dec 20, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is you who are being nasty to the millions of US-born Americans whose parents were foreigners who fought in two world wars and who were just as loyal as the US-born children of US citizens.
NASTY!!! Sucks does it not, embrace "the suck" or get yourself an amendment.

The liberals interpertation of the "Citizenship Clause".

"All persons born or naturalized in the US are citizens......"
Learn to Read

United States

#182638 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>While your laughing, I'm depositing money! Thank you for supporting the oil and gas industry! It is the future, ya know? LMAO!!!
I'm sure you and Dufus use a lot of petroleum jelly

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#182639 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Every one I've seen! Ever seen a gay baby? I noticed you didn't answer. LMAO!
§o you've seen hetero babies. All of them? Are you a specialist, a doctor, a neonatologist, a psychiatrist? It's strange because none of those experts can rightly identify a heterosexual or homosexual baby. As a matter of fact, they can't do that until puberty. This is when, according to experts, sexual preferences are identified by those you label as perverts. Perversion you said it was, right?

To answer your question. Yes, I've seen hetero AND homo babies - but only realised after their puberty that they were one or the other if they came forward. They were born either way, they did not choose. Ever heard of chromosomes?

You wrote, it's right up there ("Every one I've seen!") that EVERY freshly-born human being is heterosexual. That means we all have a choice, that we are someday confronted between straight and gay, and it could be either. Which begs the question,(3r time):

WHEN DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL?

If we DO have a choice, then consider any one who CHOSE to be gay in, let's say, the 18th century. Why in hell would anyone be dumb and suicidal enough to go ahead and DECIDE, having a choice, that he/she would want to live his/her life :

Shunned by family
Shunned by friends
Shunned by society at large
Shunned by organised religion
Tortured by his/her gov't
Tortured by his/her own Church
Excluded from any meaningful job
Executed by his/her gov't
Executed by his/her own Church
Excluded from the burial rites of the Church.

Why?

I gave the 18th century as an example. Gays were persecuted in North America until just a few years ago and are still mistreated or killed in so many countries today. Why would anyone knowingly choose to be gay?

Never mind all that, just don't obfuscate any more. Accordibng to you, does one choose to be gay?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#182640 Dec 20, 2013
The Honorable Justice LRS wrote:
Corr: you're
Damn missing keys! LMAO!
Yes, missing the apostrophe, the "r" and the "e". LMAO (LRS-Dale tm reg'd) That's some keyboard , as the hyphen and "a" are also missing. Are you sure it's not the devil that's making you do it? Better have a word with Jesus tonight.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#182641 Dec 20, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>NASTY!!! Sucks does it not, embrace "the suck" or get yourself an amendment.
The liberals interpertation of the "Citizenship Clause".
"All persons born or naturalized in the US are citizens......"
It is you who are being nasty to the MILLIONS of US-born Americans with foreign parents who fought and died in two world wars and proved that they are just as loyal as the US-born children of US Citizens.

Re "liberals."

The Heritage Foundation is not a liberal organization:

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

And both CONSERVATIVE legal principles (Remember strict construction???) and libertarian moral principles hold that unless the Constitution says something, it does not mean it---and that rights and privileges cannot be taken away unless the Constitution authorizes taking them. And the US Constitution DOES NOT SAY that the US-born children of foreigners are not as eligible as the US-born children of US citizens. Neither Article II or the 14th Amendment say any such thing.
Dale

United States

#182642 Dec 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
§o you've seen hetero babies. All of them? Are you a specialist, a doctor, a neonatologist, a psychiatrist? It's strange because none of those experts can rightly identify a heterosexual or homosexual baby. As a matter of fact, they can't do that until puberty. This is when, according to experts, sexual preferences are identified by those you label as perverts. Perversion you said it was, right?
To answer your question. Yes, I've seen hetero AND homo babies - but only realised after their puberty that they were one or the other if they came forward. They were born either way, they did not choose. Ever heard of chromosomes?
You wrote, it's right up there ("Every one I've seen!") that EVERY freshly-born human being is heterosexual. That means we all have a choice, that we are someday confronted between straight and gay, and it could be either. Which begs the question,(3r time):
WHEN DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL?
If we DO have a choice, then consider any one who CHOSE to be gay in, let's say, the 18th century. Why in hell would anyone be dumb and suicidal enough to go ahead and DECIDE, having a choice, that he/she would want to live his/her life :
Shunned by family
Shunned by friends
Shunned by society at large
Shunned by organised religion
Tortured by his/her gov't
Tortured by his/her own Church
Excluded from any meaningful job
Executed by his/her gov't
Executed by his/her own Church
Excluded from the burial rites of the Church.
Why?
I gave the 18th century as an example. Gays were persecuted in North America until just a few years ago and are still mistreated or killed in so many countries today. Why would anyone knowingly choose to be gay?
Never mind all that, just don't obfuscate any more. Accordibng to you, does one choose to be gay?
LMAO!! So, according to you homosexuality is just a freak of nature, that limits the prime directive, "be fruitful and prosper"!!
Now, when will the government start paying them for their birth defects?
The Honorable Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#182643 Dec 20, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure you and Dufus use a lot of petroleum jelly
Aww.....did Twinkie just use a gay slur? LMAO! Would have worked better if you had directed this post to someone who is gay. LMAO!

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