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Since: May 10

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#181782 Dec 9, 2013
Here is another Obama anti-American deal. Yes, it was a California DOT project but most of the money came from the U.S. Federal government (U.S. taxes).
Why could they not use NON-union workers here in the U.S.? Why not UNION workers? Save $400 Million? How about the unemployment they would not have to pay out if the jobs had stayed in the U.S.???
And we would not have to pay China to buy our debt!!!
Yep, Obama really cares about American workers?!?

San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge Controversially Made in China
By Claudia Cowan - September 20, 2011 - FoxNews.com

California transportation officials argue they saved $400 million by turning to China, in large part because they didn't have to pay American union wages and benefits. With the clock ticking, they say more was at stake than money.

Since: May 10

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#181783 Dec 9, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
The air traveling public is just going to have to someday come to the realization that the airlines will leave them in the lurch and sleeping on cots or on the floor in airport terminals when the weather gets bad.
Better safe than sorry.
loose
The old aviation saying that it is best to be in a coffee shop wishing you were flying than praying to be back on the ground.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#181784 Dec 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
In 1990 when I was flying in the Gulf of Mexico PHI had some A-Star helicopters with the Lycoming LT-101 engine but at the time they had high failure rates so we started to call them "Falling-Stars"!
The LT-101 engines have matured into a reliable engine and are now make by Honeywell.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Lycomings had been installed in the Alouettes at the insistence of U.S. military. They failed. They were replaced by French engines. That was over 25 yrs ago and I believe they are still flying. Same for the Falcons.
I am very well aware of that. Have you forgotten I have been in aviation my whole life? My father was a Master Army Aviator. My father-in-law was a Master Army Aviation Crewman and crewed L-5 Stinson Sentinels during WWII, L-19s in the Korean War and C-7 Caribous in Vietnam!!!
And Lycoming sold it's gas-turbine engines to Honeywell DECADES ago!!! Just as Allison (General Motors) sold it's gas-turbines engines to Rolls Royce!!!
I was not born yesterday!!!
I do not claim to be a brain surgeon but on this forum I am the aviation expert!!!
Oh, do you know who is making Franklin aircraft engines? POLAND!!! The original engines for the OH-13 (Korean War MASH helicopters) where Franklins!!! The OH-13s did not switch to the Lycoming engines until the late 1950s that on the H-model OH-13 that they switched to the Lycoming engines!!!
Oh, the Tucker car used ..... Franklin engines!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#181785 Dec 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Here is another Obama anti-American deal. Yes, it was a California DOT project but most of the money came from the U.S. Federal government (U.S. taxes).
Why could they not use NON-union workers here in the U.S.? Why not UNION workers? Save $400 Million? How about the unemployment they would not have to pay out if the jobs had stayed in the U.S.???
And we would not have to pay China to buy our debt!!!
Yep, Obama really cares about American workers?!?
San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge Controversially Made in China
By Claudia Cowan - September 20, 2011 - FoxNews.com
California transportation officials argue they saved $400 million by turning to China, in large part because they didn't have to pay American union wages and benefits. With the clock ticking, they say more was at stake than money.
Oh goody, I pissed off another Libtard who is to stupid to write an intellectually honest retort.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#181786 Dec 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar wrote:
<quoted text>
Jimmy "The White Peanut Man" Carter printed up $500 Billion dollars and as a result we had an inflation rate of 13.58% in 1980. O'Bummer Boy has printed up $1.5 TRILLION and the inflation rate is already up to 3.5% and it will probably over 6% by election time and you Libtards still do not understand Cause and Effect.
When you print extra money, it DEVALUES the money that is already in circulation. I think O'Bummer is doing this on purpose which is to make a national debt less but making it worth less, but it will backfire. In 1980 we also had a prime interest rate of 21% and not many people could afford a housing loan and that is all we need as our housing is still in a depression!!!
Hey Rogue do you remember this post? It was posted on February 9, 2012.

You predicted that the inflation rate would be over 6% in 2012. The actual inflation rate was 2.07%. Your prediction was off by
289 PERCENT.

As for Carter printing 500 billion dollars in his four years of office. Why don't you tell us about Reagan printing 700 billion dollars in his first term and another 700 billion in his second term of office?

You are always preaching to us that increase on money supply (M2) will result in higher inflation then how come Reagan printed 1.4 trillion dollars in eight years and the inflation rate was 4.08 PERCENT in 1988?

http://www.usstuckonstupid.com/sos_downchart....

http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/unite...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181787 Dec 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
In 1990 when I was flying in the Gulf of Mexico PHI had some A-Star helicopters with the Lycoming LT-101 engine but at the time they had high failure rates so we started to call them "Falling-Stars"!
The LT-101 engines have matured into a reliable engine and are now make by Honeywell.
<quoted text>
I am very well aware of that. Have you forgotten I have been in aviation my whole life? My father was a Master Army Aviator. My father-in-law was a Master Army Aviation Crewman and crewed L-5 Stinson Sentinels during WWII, L-19s in the Korean War and C-7 Caribous in Vietnam!!!
And Lycoming sold it's gas-turbine engines to Honeywell DECADES ago!!! Just as Allison (General Motors) sold it's gas-turbines engines to Rolls Royce!!!
I was not born yesterday!!!
I do not claim to be a brain surgeon but on this forum I am the aviation expert!!!
Oh, do you know who is making Franklin aircraft engines? POLAND!!! The original engines for the OH-13 (Korean War MASH helicopters) where Franklins!!! The OH-13s did not switch to the Lycoming engines until the late 1950s that on the H-model OH-13 that they switched to the Lycoming engines!!!
Oh, the Tucker car used ..... Franklin engines!!!
Why so upset? Can't you have a healthy peaceful discussion? Are you upset because I asked simple questions? You're very good at the mechanics of aviation, but that is but one part of the equation. And what is amazing is that you claim you've answered all my questions. You haven't. You've mostly supplied answers to questions I did not pose. But that doesn't matter. What did I say that provoked the following ? "but on this forum I am the aviation expert!!!". Do tell.

A mentor of mine once told me : "It's not the statement you make on any subject that will stump an opponent, it's the nature of the questions". Bingo, touché.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181788 Dec 9, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
The air traveling public is just going to have to someday come to the realiztion that the airlnes will leave them in the lurch and sleeping on cots or on the foor in airport terminals when the weather gets bad.
Better safe than sorry.
loose
How do you propose going from the east to the west coast without spending 4x2 days in a train? How do you propose getting to Europe or Africa or Asia, ocean liners having been phased out except for repositioning cruises? How do you propose doing all that travelling with so little time, what with a worker's average 2-week per year vacation?

I don't look down on people sleeping on airport terminal floors, saying "that'll show you". I feel sorry for them, as most are working stiffs using the little vacation money they have to fly home or to visit loved ones, using what little vacation days they have. What's the alternative? What is your solution?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181789 Dec 9, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Rogue do you remember this post? It was posted on February 9, 2012.
You predicted that the inflation rate would be over 6% in 2012. The actual inflation rate was 2.07%. Your prediction was off by
289 PERCENT.
As for Carter printing 500 billion dollars in his four years of office. Why don't you tell us about Reagan printing 700 billion dollars in his first term and another 700 billion in his second term of office?
You are always preaching to us that increase on money supply (M2) will result in higher inflation then how come Reagan printed 1.4 trillion dollars in eight years and the inflation rate was 4.08 PERCENT in 1988?
http://www.usstuckonstupid.com/sos_downchart....
http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/unite...
1. More wrong predictions by Rogue. Oh Hum. Add to that his prediction on the sure collapse of the DJIA in Sept, Nov and spring of 2013. Not his fault, though, his broker misled him. He has another prediction this morning on financial apocalypse and he hopes it will happen, just to spite that Obama guy. Rogue is much like the scientist who predicted the end of the world due to a huge meteorite and is inconsolable because his calculations were wrong and it didn't happen;

2. As to your 289%, LMAO (LRS tm reg'd), let's see if math wizard LRS will be correcting that;

3. It's okay, Rogue will tell you that Reagan was a liberal in conservative clothing, a country clubber and therefore it's natural that he printed so much money;

Oui, plus Rogue change, plus Rogue reste le même.
Citizen org

Sayville, NY

#181790 Dec 9, 2013
Spies vs. Gamers: Docs Show NSA Infiltrates Digital Playlands
NSA and GCHQ collect gamers' chats and deploy real-life agents into World of Warcraft and Second Life, report news outlets
December 9, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/m5cgfkq

Orcs, witches, goblins, elves... and yes, NSA trolls.

New internal NSA documents made available by whistleblower Edward Snowden and reported on by the Guardian, New York Times, and Pro Publica on Monday reveal that in addition to previous revelations, the U.S. spy agency has been systematically monitoring the digital landscapes of World of Warcraft, Second Life, and other console and computer games by "conducting surveillance and scooping up data in the online games played by millions of people across the globe."

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/12/...

Since: May 10

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#181792 Dec 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Why so upset? Can't you have a healthy peaceful discussion? Are you upset because I asked simple questions? You're very good at the mechanics of aviation, but that is but one part of the equation. And what is amazing is that you claim you've answered all my questions. You haven't. You've mostly supplied answers to questions I did not pose. But that doesn't matter. What did I say that provoked the following ? "but on this forum I am the aviation expert!!!". Do tell.
A mentor of mine once told me : "It's not the statement you make on any subject that will stump an opponent, it's the nature of the questions". Bingo, touché.
That is your problem is that you cannot ask an intelligent question in this area.
Do you know how often helicopters crash? Only once!
Citizen org

Sayville, NY

#181793 Dec 9, 2013
Seymour Hersh Alleges Obama Administration Lied on Syria Gas Attack
http://tinyurl.com/krc2gat / Dec. 8, 2013
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh has dropped yet another bombshell allegation: President Obama wasn't honest with the American people when he blamed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for a sarin-gas attack in that killed hundreds of civilians.
In early September, Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had proof that the nerve-gas attack was made on Assad's orders. "We know the Assad regime was responsible," President Obama told the nation in an address days after this revelation, which he said pushed him over the "red line" in considering military intervention.
But in a long story published Sunday for the London Review of Books, Hersh — best known for his exposés on the cover-ups of the My Lai Massacre and of Abu Ghraib – said the administration "cherry-picked intelligence," citing conversations with intelligence and military officials.
http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/12/seymo...
Slick Willie

Jacksonville, FL

#181794 Dec 9, 2013
Citizen org wrote:
Spies vs. Gamers: Docs Show NSA Infiltrates Digital Playlands
NSA and GCHQ collect gamers' chats and deploy real-life agents into World of Warcraft and Second Life, report news outlets
December 9, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/m5cgfkq
Orcs, witches, goblins, elves... and yes, NSA trolls.
New internal NSA documents made available by whistleblower Edward Snowden and reported on by the Guardian, New York Times, and Pro Publica on Monday reveal that in addition to previous revelations, the U.S. spy agency has been systematically monitoring the digital landscapes of World of Warcraft, Second Life, and other console and computer games by "conducting surveillance and scooping up data in the online games played by millions of people across the globe."
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/12/...
Maybe they are scouting for star-fighter pilots to battle zombies from outer space?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181795 Dec 9, 2013
Citizen org wrote:
Seymour Hersh Alleges Obama Administration Lied on Syria Gas Attack
http://tinyurl.com/krc2gat / Dec. 8, 2013
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh has dropped yet another bombshell allegation: President Obama wasn't honest with the American people when he blamed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for a sarin-gas attack in that killed hundreds of civilians.
In early September, Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had proof that the nerve-gas attack was made on Assad's orders. "We know the Assad regime was responsible," President Obama told the nation in an address days after this revelation, which he said pushed him over the "red line" in considering military intervention.
But in a long story published Sunday for the London Review of Books, Hersh — best known for his exposés on the cover-ups of the My Lai Massacre and of Abu Ghraib – said the administration "cherry-picked intelligence," citing conversations with intelligence and military officials.
http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/12/seymo...
Not sure I understand. Did Assad order the attacks or not? Did Assad gas his people and the rebels or did he not? If his generals did this without his knowledge, where does the buck stop? And, when Obama said it was Assad, and the Europeans originated that scenario, I believe, is that not what was thought to be a fact at the time? Lastly, what does it matter who ordered it? It was done by the Syrian regime and I'm sure those poor civilians who died a horrible death, not to mention the still-suffering victims, don't give a hoot who amongst the Syrian leadership ordered it.

Since: May 10

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#181796 Dec 9, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Rogue do you remember this post? It was posted on February 9, 2012.
You predicted that the inflation rate would be over 6% in 2012. The actual inflation rate was 2.07%. Your prediction was off by
289 PERCENT.
As for Carter printing 500 billion dollars in his four years of office. Why don't you tell us about Reagan printing 700 billion dollars in his first term and another 700 billion in his second term of office?
You are always preaching to us that increase on money supply (M2) will result in higher inflation then how come Reagan printed 1.4 trillion dollars in eight years and the inflation rate was 4.08 PERCENT in 1988?
http://www.usstuckonstupid.com/sos_downchart....
http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/unite...
Yes, I did. But I did not anticipate Bernanke starting QE3 in September 2012.
Increasing money supply is not the same as Quantitative Easing.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181797 Dec 9, 2013
Slick Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe they are scouting for star-fighter pilots to battle zombies from outer space?
Anecdote on Starfighters. I think it was 1957. Ottawa was inaugurating its new "state-of-the-art" airport, with a fully-glassed terminal allowing a total vista of the tarmac and airplanes. There was an official ceremony and, as a show-stopper, an F-104 Starfighter broke the sound barrier, thereby shattering and breaking to pieces practically every terminal window. Needless to say, it ended the revelries right there. It apparently took over 3 months before the huge and smaller glass panes were replaced.
Citizen org

Sayville, NY

#181798 Dec 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure I understand. Did Assad order the attacks or not? Did Assad gas his people and the rebels or did he not? If his generals did this without his knowledge, where does the buck stop? And, when Obama said it was Assad, and the Europeans originated that scenario, I believe, is that not what was thought to be a fact at the time? Lastly, what does it matter who ordered it? It was done by the Syrian regime and I'm sure those poor civilians who died a horrible death, not to mention the still-suffering victims, don't give a hoot who amongst the Syrian leadership ordered it.
Seymour Hersh is second to none and has an impeccable record regarding investigative journalism.

He brings out the point that our spy apparatus was quiet on Assad and yet Obama blamed him for the gas.

========

Seymour Hersh: Obama "Cherry-Picked" Intelligence on Syrian Chemical Attack to Justify U.S. Strike / December 9, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/kl78q6s
Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh joins us to discuss his new article casting doubt on the veracity of the Obama administration’s claims that only the Assad regime could have carried out the chemical attacks in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta earlier this year. Writing in the London Review of Books, Hersh argues that the Obama administration "cherry-picked intelligence to justify a strike against Assad." The administration failed to disclose it knew Syrian rebels in the al-Nusra Front had the ability to produce chemical weapons. Evidence obtained in the days after the attack was also allegedly distorted to make it appear it was gathered in real time.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/12/9/seymour...
Citizen org

Sayville, NY

#181799 Dec 9, 2013
Slick Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe they are scouting for star-fighter pilots to battle zombies from outer space?
F22 FIGHTER
http://tinyurl.com/5ncsk
http://www.f22fighter.com/

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181800 Dec 9, 2013
Back from shovelling the white stuff. Damn. Yesterday, the TV meteorologist said we'd have a mere "sprinkling" of snow today, 1/2 and inch max. Well, since this morning, we've had over 4 inches and it's still snowing.

According to "Justice" ha ha LRS and Rogue, the meteorologist lied.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181801 Dec 9, 2013
Citizen org wrote:
<quoted text>
Seymour Hersh is second to none and has an impeccable record regarding investigative journalism.
He brings out the point that our spy apparatus was quiet on Assad and yet Obama blamed him for the gas.
========
Seymour Hersh: Obama "Cherry-Picked" Intelligence on Syrian Chemical Attack to Justify U.S. Strike / December 9, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/kl78q6s
Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh joins us to discuss his new article casting doubt on the veracity of the Obama administration’s claims that only the Assad regime could have carried out the chemical attacks in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta earlier this year. Writing in the London Review of Books, Hersh argues that the Obama administration "cherry-picked intelligence to justify a strike against Assad." The administration failed to disclose it knew Syrian rebels in the al-Nusra Front had the ability to produce chemical weapons. Evidence obtained in the days after the attack was also allegedly distorted to make it appear it was gathered in real time.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/12/9/seymour...
I also thought at the time that the rebels may have launched the gas attacks. That theory has pretty much been laid to rest now, and even Assad has not accused the rebels of using gas. What's more, Assad, given the red line drawn by Obama (I reproached Obama that red line, I was wrong, he was right) immediately huddled with Putin and both decided to come clean, admit he had chemical weapons (before the red line , not only did he deny using gas, he denied HAVING it) and call in the UN and destroy it.

I know Hersh. I know of his impeccable reputation as a journalist. This time, he's getting bogged down in details. Unimportant details. It's clear the regime used the gas which, incidentally, requires expertise and launchers. I doubt the rebels had either.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181802 Dec 9, 2013
Citizen org wrote:
The F-22 is a pile of junk. Too expensive. Such a failure, only 195 were built and it's been replaced by the junkier and even more expensive F-35 which, after years of "development", is unflyable and could be shot down by a Sopwith Camel. Consider (F22):

Delays, technical glitches and huge cost overruns in the Air Force's F-22 fighter jet program highlight the Pentagon's broken procurement process.

By Ralph Vartabedian and W.J. Hennigan Los Angeles Times

June 16, 2013


When the U.S. sought to assure Asian allies that it would defend them against potential aggression by North Korea this spring, the Pentagon deployed its top-of-the-line jet fighter, the F-22 Raptor.

But only two of the jets were sent screaming through the skies south of Seoul.

That token show of American force was a stark reminder that the U.S. may have few F-22s to spare. Alarmed by soaring costs, the Defense Department shut down production last year after spending $67.3 billion on just 188 planes — leaving the Air Force to rely mainly on its fleet of 30-year-old conventional fighters.

"People around the world aren't dumb," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard "Buck" McKeon (R-Santa Clarita). "They see what we have. They recognize that our forces have been severely depleted."

Lockheed Martin Corp.'s F-22 is the most lethal fighter jet in the world. But it has also become a symbol of a broken procurement process that's failing to deliver advanced weapons systems on time, on budget and in sufficient quantities.

The F-22 was originally intended to replace all of the Air Force's F-15 combat jets that date back to the early 1970s. But today those F-15s still represent the bulk of a so-called air superiority fleet — the jets that are supposed to outgun enemy aircraft and gain control of the sky.

Nonetheless, the F-22 program cemented Lockheed's position as the premier manufacturer of combat aircraft in the world.

The system is totally broken and everybody knows it"
— Sherman Mullin, retired former Lockheed F-22 program chief

The early cancellation led directly to a new advanced warplane, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that Lockheed also produces. Today, that nearly $400-billion system is headed in the same direction as the F-22, falling behind schedule, encountering serious software problems and suffering sharp cost growth.

ambitious programs based on low-ball estimates by contractors, critics say. Eager to speed money to their home states, members of Congress allocate funding for these leading-edge defense programs, even before the technologies are developed and tested.

"If everybody involved would be more realistic and didn't lie about risk, technical difficulty and cost, we wouldn't have these problems," said Thomas P. Christie, a retired official who spent nearly 50 years working in Pentagon acquisitions. "We jump into these decisions, then get surprised about the outcome."
The F-22 experienced almost every one of these problems. The Air Force began laying plans to build the F-22 in the early 1980s. A decade later, it estimated it would take nine years and $12.6 billion to develop the jet, but it ended up taking 19 years and costing $26.3 billion, not including the production of any aircraft. By the time production was completed, the F-22 cost an average of $412 million each, up from the original estimate of $149 million.



"The system is totally broken and everybody knows it," said Sherman Mullin, the retired former Lockheed chief of the F-22 program and a fierce advocate for the jet. "Partially, the F-22 fell victim to that."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-advance...

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