BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 20 comments on the Jan 8, 2009, Chicago Tribune story titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“A proud Kentuckian ”

Since: Aug 13

At Your Mama's House

#181117 Dec 3, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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Wrong.
The Law of Nations doesn't apply to domestic or municipal law of the United States. The Law of Nations (currently referred to as International law) is a law governing nations with respect to other nations. It has nothing to do with citizenship laws of individual nations.
.“Citizenship depends, however, entirely on municipal law and is not regulated by international law.“ Tomasicchio v. Acheson, 98 F. Supp. 166, 169 (DC 1951).
Moreover, the United States Supreme Court has held that our citizenship laws were inherited from English common law. "Our concept of citizenship was inherited from England and, accordingly, was based on the principle that rights conferred by naturalization were subject to the conditions reserved in the grant. See Calvin's Case, 7 Co. Rep. 1 a, 77 Eng. Rep. 377 (1608). Schneider v. Rusk, 377 US 163, 170 (1964).
“We thus have an acknowledgment that our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Rogers v. Bellei, 401 US 815,828(1971)
Nowhere in over 200 years of court opinions have had any court suggested that our citizenship law was based on Vattel's concept of citizenship. In fact, there are many court cases that held that children born in the United States to parents other than citizen parents are natural born citizens.
As for the drafting of the Constitution, Blackstone's influence is noted throughout the document, such as, Law of Nations clause in which it was noted: ""In the fourth volume of his Commentaries, Blackstone has a chapter on “Offences against the Law of Nations.” Guided by Blackstone, the Founding Generation viewed the law of nations as a system of rules deducible by natural reason, and established by universal consent among the civilized inhabitants of the world. Justice Story would later put it,“every doctrine that may be fairly deduced by correct reasoning from the rights and duties of nations, and the nature of moral obligation, may be said to exist in the law of nations.” 3 Dartmouth C. Undergraduate J.L. 51 (2005)
Another example of Blackstone' influence "The universal maxim of the common law of England, as Sir William Blackstone expresses it,`that no man is to be brought into jeopardy of his life more than once for the same offence,' is embraced in article V of amendments to the Constitution of the United States, and in the constitutions of several States, in the following language:`Nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;' and in many other States the same principle is incorporated in the organic law, Kepner v. United States, 195 US 100, 132 (1904)
As for Vattel's contribution to the Constitution, there has not been one decision in which a court has cited Vattel's influence on drafting of the CONSTITUTION. This is not to say that courts have not cited Vattel on the INTERNATIONAL LAW in which his book "Law of Nations" have been cited by the courts but as to the CONSTITUTION AND MUNICIPAL LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, Vattel's influence was nonexistent.
Great post and entirely correct.
The subject of citizenship by birth has been settled by every part of our judicial system, and is no longer a matter for debate.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181118 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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You wrote : "we have a written record."
Do you? Do you also have a "written record" that says Barack Obama has been president for almost 5 years and will STAY president until 2016? What now? What then?
LMAO!!! Yes, we do have a written record, that states, Obama was never a citizen of the US, unless you want to call a divorce a naturalization process.

“A proud Kentuckian ”

Since: Aug 13

At Your Mama's House

#181119 Dec 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! It is vey evident you have any idea the meaning of taxed.
Enlighten us.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181120 Dec 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Obamaville
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =xEYFFiEnUjQXX
er, Rogue, I asked this morning if you would kindly supply me with proof that the 1st world war with Germany officially ended in 2010 and also help me locate the declaration of war by either the UN or the U.S. or both against North Korea. Should be easy, no?, as you've written it quite a number of times now. I've searched, but not being as good as you with google, please give a hand. Thank you.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181121 Dec 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yep, "it's now 7.2%". 7.2% of what? In January 2009 the Labor Participation Rate was 65.7% but today it is down to just 62.8%(Oct. 2013) which is a 35 year low. And it also means that 5.8 MILLION more people are unemployed now than were employed when Bush left office!!!
Jimmy Carter is glad that Obama has replaced him as the idiot of the Century!
Again, back to Jimmy Carter. 33 years ago, yet you sob and cry when someone harks back 5 years to GWB.

Participation rate? Have you ever heard of baby boomers? They are retiring by the hundreds of thousands and either not seeking jobs or half - heartedly doing that.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181122 Dec 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
So sorry. I forgot to leave a link so here it is.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
I know, I know, La Jacqueau thinks I never leave links but I do a better job at it than any of you Libtards do.
No one asked you for that link. It does not take under consideration the baby boomers retiring "en masse" as I've just mentioned.

Instead of supplying unsolicited links, why don't you give me the ones I ask to prove your STATEMENTS, like WWI ending in 2010 and the declaration of war against N.Korea? Or, failing to do so , will you ask ME to find those fallacies, inventions, fabrications?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181123 Dec 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! As always you stuck you foot in your mouth.
Are you not taxed by your Constitutional Laws or should I say obey your laws, that would be taxed.
I can't wait to see the spin!!!!
I am indeed taxed, too heavily as a matter of fact, by my Canadian constitutional laws, or whatever. What you are saying to me, though, is that I can head for the U.S. as an alien, get a work permit but not become a U.S. citizen and presto, I don't pay income or sales tax. Have I got that right?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#181124 Dec 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Yes, we do have a written record, that states, Obama was never a citizen of the US, unless you want to call a divorce a naturalization process.
great. Would you enlighten one and all and produce the written record that states Obama was never a citizen.

If you want even better than a written record, just google 2009 and 2013 inauguration ceremonies, see the video confirming that Obama was sworn in as president by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for two consecutive 4-year periods. I'm sure the Library of Congress has a publication you can consult on those two events.

Now, let's have YOUR proof that Obama was never a president.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181125 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Whatever Obama's failures, why is he "first and last black POTUS "? You can't help it, it comes out spontaneously, yes, "last black POTUS". Racial. Racist. Whether one liked or disliked GWB or Clinton or Nixon or any previous WHITE president, did ANYone, dem or repub utter " last white POTUS? "
Yes, you unwittingly blurted out your real reason for not accepting Obama. Last black POTUS" It's not so-called incompetence that's bothering you, it's race. That BLACK man in the revered WHITE House. THAT's the reason. "Whar's that dang hangin' rope when you need it, KKK brothers?"
LMAO!!! Socialism, Marxism and communism is the factors. I would vote for a black man any day, if he were a conservative.
Race has nothing to do with politics.
Now you can take your ropes and your other innuendos and stick them up your ass.
How is that TAXED working for you, Scooter?

“A proud Kentuckian ”

Since: Aug 13

At Your Mama's House

#181126 Dec 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! As always you stuck you foot in your mouth.
Are you not taxed by your Constitutional Laws or should I say obey your laws, that would be taxed.
I can't wait to see the spin!!!!
You are talking nonsense.
You have to have jurisdiction to tax an individual. Citizens of other countries within out borders are subject to our laws (jurisdiction) DUH!
Can we not arrest a Alien, illegal or not for breaking laws?
The only examples of us not having jurisdiction over an non-citizens within our borders are those with diplomatic immunity.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181127 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I am indeed taxed, too heavily as a matter of fact, by my Canadian constitutional laws, or whatever. What you are saying to me, though, is that I can head for the U.S. as an alien, get a work permit but not become a U.S. citizen and presto, I don't pay income or sales tax. Have I got that right?
LMAO!!! As always, you don't understand TAXED, do you?
You get back to me when you understand, eh!!!
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181129 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
great. Would you enlighten one and all and produce the written record that states Obama was never a citizen.
If you want even better than a written record, just google 2009 and 2013 inauguration ceremonies, see the video confirming that Obama was sworn in as president by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for two consecutive 4-year periods. I'm sure the Library of Congress has a publication you can consult on those two events.
Now, let's have YOUR proof that Obama was never a president.
LMAO!!! Why don't you go back and read what I have posted, getup to speed!

“A proud Kentuckian ”

Since: Aug 13

At Your Mama's House

#181130 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
great. Would you enlighten one and all and produce the written record that states Obama was never a citizen.
If you want even better than a written record, just google 2009 and 2013 inauguration ceremonies, see the video confirming that Obama was sworn in as president by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court for two consecutive 4-year periods. I'm sure the Library of Congress has a publication you can consult on those two events.
Now, let's have YOUR proof that Obama was never a president.
LMAO His proof is that Obama is black and a Democrat!
All right wingers know it is impossible for this combination to be their President.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181131 Dec 3, 2013
Newport Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
You are talking nonsense.
You have to have jurisdiction to tax an individual. Citizens of other countries within out borders are subject to our laws (jurisdiction) DUH!
Can we not arrest a Alien, illegal or not for breaking laws?
The only examples of us not having jurisdiction over an non-citizens within our borders are those with diplomatic immunity.
LMAO!!! Aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", if they were they would be called citizens.
(see 14th amendment)
Aliens in this country come under reciprocal treaties/Internation Law, between the US and their country of origin.
Grand Birther

Painesville, OH

#181132 Dec 3, 2013
You can always count on a birfoon to fail to distinguish between "law of nations" and "Law of Nations."
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181133 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
"me and Rush parted ", you wrote, LMAO (Dale-LRS tm reg'd).
Rush must be crushed. LMAO etc
Irrelevant!!!

“A proud Kentuckian ”

Since: Aug 13

At Your Mama's House

#181134 Dec 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", if they were they would be called citizens.
(see 14th amendment)
Aliens in this country come under reciprocal treaties/Internation Law, between the US and their country of origin.
So you claim they aren't subject to our laws? That we cannot arrest and prosecute them for breaking our laws?
If we can, then they are subject to US jurisdiction and no amount of you saying "no they are not" can change that.
Exactly what do you think jurisdiction means?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#181136 Dec 3, 2013
Newport Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
So you claim they aren't subject to our laws? That we cannot arrest and prosecute them for breaking our laws?
If we can, then they are subject to US jurisdiction and no amount of you saying "no they are not" can change that.
Exactly what do you think jurisdiction means?
LMAO!!! Can an alien vote, can an alien be drafted, can an alien have a government job, can an alien be forced to work for a government entity? Looks like they aren't "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" are they.
An alien while in this country does not lose their citizenship/allegiance to their country of origin.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#181137 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Who were you correcting 2 days ago? Best you remember that glass house you're inhabiting.
I have a brick home. Sorry to disappoint you again. LMAO!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#181138 Dec 3, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever Obama's failures, why is he "first and last black POTUS "? You can't help it, it comes out spontaneously, yes, "last black POTUS". Racial. Racist. Whether one liked or disliked GWB or Clinton or Nixon or any previous WHITE president, did ANYone, dem or repub utter " last white POTUS? "
Yes, you unwittingly blurted out your real reason for not accepting Obama. Last black POTUS" It's not so-called incompetence that's bothering you, it's race. That BLACK man in the revered WHITE House. THAT's the reason. "Whar's that dang hangin' rope when you need it, KKK brothers?"
Um, no. You are incorrect again. It IS incompetence and nothing more! Now, who is the racist? You!

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