BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
kline

Boise, ID

#180245 Nov 23, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure that gay Moslem Kenyan-born son-of-a-pornstar Obama the Antichrist fantasizes about that other illegal candidate lefthanded Bilderberger John McCain. Christ is the answer.
Its amazing how many of the clearly Mentally Ill such as this poster are drawn to Right Wing Idealogy.
Must be a correlation.
kline

Boise, ID

#180246 Nov 23, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Most people will not be able to keep their policy. Every thing was written into the bill. The ObamaKare bill forces insurance companies to send notices to every policy holder,every one. Obama gave extensions so that most people won't be cancelled until after the mid term election.
Poor Frank.
He just cant wrap his mind around the fact that FOX isnt really a News Channel but rather a Propaganda Bureau with News Room Set Decoration.
Ill bet he didnt give up on Santa or the Easter Bunny either until his early 20's...he's probably banking on a Sarah Palin comeback in 2016.Lmao!
wojar

Bristol, CT

#180247 Nov 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
THE FATAL CONCEIT OF OBAMACARE
Star Parker:[pssst ... a Black Lady]'Can it be any wonder that it is all collapsing?'
I have lined up my Christmas presents this year for our president, Barack Obama, and for Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius.
I will send them both a copy of the last book written by one of greatest economists of the last century, and winner of the Nobel Prize in economics in 1974, F.A. Hayek.
The book is called “The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism.”
Although the language and discussion of the book is not all that simple, the basic point is, I think, pretty straightforward. Hayek summed it all up in his acceptance speech for his Nobel Prize.
He noted the critical importance that we know what we don’t know. Thinking you know what you don’t and can’t know, the illusion that men can plan, organize and control things far beyond their understanding is the “fatal conceit” of socialism.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/the-fatal-conceit-...
Send one to the conservative Heritage Foundation who invented the individual mandate which instantaneously morphed into socialism when Dems got onboard.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#180248 Nov 23, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>PDamerica, if you did a Google-search in 2008 about the 50th anniversay of Hawaii you would get thousands of hits almost every one mentioned it was the birthplace of (illegal) Presidential candidate Obama(even though he really was born a Brit in Kenya before his Indonesian adoption). If you searched for articles about Alaska's 50th you would get several hundred articles with only a few mentioning candidate Palin. That my friend is the nature of The Illuminati-Freemasons. They control the media, the courts, congress, and even school curriculums.
And a shout-out to you Frank for your steadfast faithfulness in fighting the good fight.
You need to change your wording my friend.

Illuminati-Freemasons sounds and is conspiratorial.

More accurately is the phrase ( The Powers That Be ) which means the wealthy few who own most of Congress.

Money controls the Supreme Court proven by they are the protectors of the top 0.1%.

Money controls corrupt corporate Rightwing media and corrupt corporate Mainstream media proven by all the corporate sponsors in commercials. Big Pharma, Big HMOs, Big Oil & Gas, Big Banks, Big Telecommunications, ET CETERA.

Not one Republican or Tea Bag voted against the Bill that clearly states Obama was born in Hawaii.

Not one Republican/Tea Bag speaks volumes. Talk is cheap and the Republican Rightwing Machine is second to none.

Today there are millions and millions of Fox News viewers who still believe the Clinton's murdered Vince Foster.

LOL

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House passes resolution that states Obama was born in Hawaii 378-0
July 27, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/osm7lyy
This evening, the House passed a resolution sponsored by Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) that commemorates Hawaii’s 50th anniversary as a U.S. state by a vote of 378-0. The resolution also contains this provision:“Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii,” a measure that some GOP members may have had trouble supporting. However, many of the Republican representatives who at expressed at least subtle doubt that Obama was not born in the U.S. voted for the resolution. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), who had earlier in the day prevented the resolution from coming to a voice vote on the House floor, and Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL), who sponsored a bill requiring presidential candidates to prove natural-born citizenship, both voted for the resolution. Rep. John Campbell (R-CA), a co-sponsor of Posey’s bill who expressed doubt about Obama’s citizenship last week on MSNBC, did not vote
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/27/obama-res...

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The Smoking Grandmother
There are three recording relating to Barack Obama’s birth on the Internet. Two regard his paternal grandmother in Kenya and one involves the Kenyan Ambassador to the United States.
http://www.blogordie.com/2008/11/the-smoking-...
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#180249 Nov 23, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama did turn to the big shots, the corporations, to finance a good part of his re-election campaign. They all have feet of clay. I still prefer him, nonentheless, warts and all, to Republicans. The latter take 100% for themselves, the Democrats leave at least 10% for the population. 10% of 1.5 trillion is a lot of greenbacks.
Army Gen. John Abizaid is quite correct. U.S. troops will have to have a presence in the volatile middle east for years to come. Let's not forget, though, that Obama did not put them there.
We truly are in need of a viable third & fourth party in America because these phony liberals like Obama/Clinton and these phony conservatives like Reagan/Bush's destroyed the Middle Class.

History proves me right.

But of course the media will convince all Americans that Hillary Clinton is liberal and Jeb Bush is conservative for the upcoming 2016 presidential election.

I can envision the headlines already.

First Woman ever, First family since Adams, will be played up big on TV/Radio 24/7.

And if is not Hillary and Jeb, it will be two other puppets for Wall Street running the show.

lol


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HR 3962: Why I Voted NO
Dennis Kucinich / http://tinyurl.com/yhgtgcp / November 8, 2009
We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentives the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/08-0

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Kucinich’s Brave Health Vote Vs. Obama’s Failed Promise
November 8, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/yj9ol46
There were plenty of cowardly votes in the House last night but there was only one truly brave one. The unsung hero of the night was Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich. Despite enormous pressure to support H.R. 3962, Rep. Kucinich did the right thing and voted 'no'. Unlike the Blue Dog votes against the bill, he did it for all the right reasons.
In a principled and practical statement, Rep. Kucinich said what a growing number of progressives have realized as we've watched real health care reform be compromised again and again.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/k...
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#180250 Nov 23, 2013
If Hitler said of Axis-of-evil, nuclear weapons issue and WMD of others, these would be Hitler programs.
Imagine Bush as a neo-Hitler hypocrite by lying about WMD (for aggression like Hitler) by war to Iraq, there are still neo-radicals like Obama and Putin to continuously carry the war criminal Bush programs about nuclear weapons and WMD issues.

Still, history never wakes up to the awareness of continuous neo-Hitler alike programs, being alike as Bush calling on North Korea and Iran. In other words, they are still doing the following and enforcement of Bush's call on nuclear weapons issue on North Korea and Iran--just like neo-Nazis are still doing the following of Hitler doctrine and programs after WWII.

But, they never wake up to stop and cease Bush programs and calls after he is gone. If Bush is gone, why would they still do what he said before, on North Korea and Iran--just as if Hitler was gone, why would they continue with Hitler doctrine any more?

Yeah, to give you one more time, what makes one think that North Korea and Iran would use nukes if they have them, other than Usa--since it used atomic bombs to Japan once it had them for just less than 6 months? That is not the justification to say to save lives to use them, because if that is the case, every war is a nuke war then, including Korean, Vietnam and Iraq wars, by calling to say to save lives.

Yet, they still do not understand the magnitude and difference between nuke weapons and other WMD, such as chemical and biological weapons.

To certain extent, sarin gas is not that dynamically dangerous in measurement of the destruction effects, but it is not to say sarin gas is not poisonous either. But, nuclear weapons today are at least one billion times heavier in destruction ratio than chemical weapons from nuclear radiation and environmental demolishing globally.

Obama was a total crazy radical by calling redline on Syria in the first place. Whether what he said of the August 21 case of Syria using sarin gas might be another serious lie, this would register in history as another evil case of lying to strike Syria, just like Iraq by Bush, despite it did not materialize. Regardless whether it actualized or not, the lying by Obama to Syria to make war is the point of the subject.

There you have it--Putin is another neo-Bush (as a follower of Bush at the current time by calling and doing the same Bush things on North Korea and Iran), just like Obama. Again,what has this Pillsbury Dolby big-boy President Kim with a young beautiful wife of North Korea done, other than listening to some music by GANGNAM man PSY and playing video games after inspecting some military regiments and factories? Is Iran really dangerous and not US, because Bush said so, in what way?

Putin has no principle and value either and is more interested in the relationship with US by saying that Snowden was no good and stood in the way, since US wanted to snatch and stop Snowden by creating International chaos and disorder.

Here you go again, won't you believe it and ain't they true--to put it in perspective wording, are these such things true to you or not in your beliefs?
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#180251 Nov 23, 2013
JBH wrote:
If Hitler said of Axis-of-evil, nuclear weapons issue and WMD of others, these would be Hitler programs.
Imagine Bush as a neo-Hitler hypocrite by lying about WMD (for aggression like Hitler) by war to Iraq, there are still neo-radicals like Obama and Putin to continuously carry the war criminal Bush programs about nuclear weapons and WMD issues.
Still, history never wakes up to the awareness of continuous neo-Hitler alike programs, being alike as Bush calling on North Korea and Iran. In other words, they are still doing the following and enforcement of Bush's call on nuclear weapons issue on North Korea and Iran--just like neo-Nazis are still doing the following of Hitler doctrine and programs after WWII.
think that North Korea and Iran would use nukes if they have the magnitude and difference between nuke weapons and other WMD, such as chemical and biological weapons.
To certain extent, sarin gas is not that dynamically dangerous in measurement of the destruction effects, but it is not to say sarin gas is not poisonous either. But, nuclear weapons today are at least one billion times heavier in destruction ratio than chemical weapons from nuclear radiation and environmental demolishing globally.
Obama was a total crazy radical by calling redline on Syria in the first place. Whether what he said of the August 21 case of Syria using sarin gas might be another serious lie, this would register in history as another evil case of lying to strike Syria, just like Iraq by Bush, despite it did not materialize. Regardless whether it actualized or not, the lying by Obama to Syria to make war is the point of the subject.
There you have it--Putin is another neo-Bush (as a follower of Bush at the current time by calling and doing the same Bush things on North Korea and Iran), just like Obama. Again,what has this Pillsbury Dolby big-boy President Kim with a young beautiful wife of North Korea done, other than listening to some music by GANGNAM man PSY and playing video games after inspecting some military regiments and factories? Is Iran really dangerous and not US, because Bush said so, in what way?
US wanted to snatch and stop Snowden by creating International chaos and disorder.
Here you go again, won't you believe it and ain't they true--to put it in perspective wording, are these such things true to you or not in your beliefs?
sorry for cut.

Funny thing, the Russian Bear knew Nuclear war would destroy everything so they ramped up Chemical and Biological weaponry thinking that one day they could wipe out the entire USA and wait until the Chems/Bio dissipates and then move in to all our infrastructure.

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General Abizaid: We Can Live with a Nuclear Iran
September 17, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/3xvs7p
ABC News' Jonathan Karl Reports: In contrast to U.S. officials who have consistently called a nuclear Iran unthinkable, former CENTCOM commander John Abizaid told reporters Monday that he believes the United States could live with a nuclear Iran.
"There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said. "I believe we have the power to deter Iran if they go nuclear" he said, just as we deterred the Soviet Union and China. "Iran is not a suicidal nation. Nuclear deterrence would work with Iran."
Even so, Abizaid said the U.S. keep up the pressure to try to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons because that would lead to further nuclear proliferation in the region. Asked if bombing Iran would be an option, he said, "We should not preclude any option" but: "War would be devastating to everyone, and we should avoid it to every extent we can."
Abizaid's comments came in response to questions following a news-less speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/...

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180252 Nov 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
THE FATAL CONCEIT OF OBAMACARE
Star Parker:[pssst ... a Black Lady]'Can it be any wonder that it is all collapsing?'
I have lined up my Christmas presents this year for our president, Barack Obama, and for Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius.
I will send them both a copy of the last book written by one of greatest economists of the last century, and winner of the Nobel Prize in economics in 1974, F.A. Hayek.
The book is called “The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism.”
Although the language and discussion of the book is not all that simple, the basic point is, I think, pretty straightforward. Hayek summed it all up in his acceptance speech for his Nobel Prize.
He noted the critical importance that we know what we don’t know. Thinking you know what you don’t and can’t know, the illusion that men can plan, organize and control things far beyond their understanding is the “fatal conceit” of socialism.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/the-fatal-conceit-...
"He noted the critical importance that we know what we don’t know. Thinking you know what you don’t and can’t know, the illusion that men can plan, organize and control things far beyond their understanding is the “fatal conceit” of socialism."

I have read these words before. Years and years ago.

It was one of the primary arguments a book I consumed made against religion.

The words are rearranged but the idea is the same. And it made a lot more sense.

Then again, this same argument can be applied to almost any ideal. With the same affect.

You might as well use Samuel Jackson's known knowns and known unknowns.



The fact that this was part of a Nobel prize speech is disheartening.

Sometimes when you say nothing... it can mean everything to the right person.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180253 Nov 23, 2013
I used the word "disheartening" because I feel if you think economics is "trying to control things we could never understand."

You are in the very back of the Nobel Prize line.

Well behind Obama, who got one seemingly as a gift from his wife.

This doesn't bother anyone else?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180254 Nov 23, 2013
JBH wrote:
If Hitler said of Axis-of-evil, nuclear weapons issue and WMD of others, these would be Hitler programs.
Imagine Bush as a neo-Hitler hypocrite by lying about WMD (for aggression like Hitler) by war to Iraq, there are still neo-radicals like Obama and Putin to continuously carry the war criminal Bush programs about nuclear weapons and WMD issues.
Still, history never wakes up to the awareness of continuous neo-Hitler alike programs, being alike as Bush calling on North Korea and Iran. In other words, they are still doing the following and enforcement of Bush's call on nuclear weapons issue on North Korea and Iran--just like neo-Nazis are still doing the following of Hitler doctrine and programs after WWII.
But, they never wake up to stop and cease Bush programs and calls after he is gone. If Bush is gone, why would they still do what he said before, on North Korea and Iran--just as if Hitler was gone, why would they continue with Hitler doctrine any more?
Yeah, to give you one more time, what makes one think that North Korea and Iran would use nukes if they have them, other than Usa--since it used atomic bombs to Japan once it had them for just less than 6 months? That is not the justification to say to save lives to use them, because if that is the case, every war is a nuke war then, including Korean, Vietnam and Iraq wars, by calling to say to save lives.
Yet, they still do not understand the magnitude and difference between nuke weapons and other WMD, such as chemical and biological weapons.
To certain extent, sarin gas is not that dynamically dangerous in measurement of the destruction effects, but it is not to say sarin gas is not poisonous either. But, nuclear weapons today are at least one billion times heavier in destruction ratio than chemical weapons from nuclear radiation and environmental demolishing globally.
Obama was a total crazy radical by calling redline on Syria in the first place. Whether what he said of the August 21 case of Syria using sarin gas might be another serious lie, this would register in history as another evil case of lying to strike Syria, just like Iraq by Bush, despite it did not materialize. Regardless whether it actualized or not, the lying by Obama to Syria to make war is the point of the subject.
There you have it--Putin is another neo-Bush (as a follower of Bush at the current time by calling and doing the same Bush things on North Korea and Iran), just like Obama. Again,what has this Pillsbury Dolby big-boy President Kim with a young beautiful wife of North Korea done, other than listening to some music by GANGNAM man PSY and playing video games after inspecting some military regiments and factories? Is Iran really dangerous and not US, because Bush said so, in what way?
Putin has no principle and value either and is more interested in the relationship with US by saying that Snowden was no good and stood in the way, since US wanted to snatch and stop Snowden by creating International chaos and disorder.
Here you go again, won't you believe it and ain't they true--to put it in perspective wording, are these such things true to you or not in your beliefs?
Uh? oops, eh?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180255 Nov 23, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>PDamerica, if you did a Google-search in 2008 about the 50th anniversay of Hawaii you would get thousands of hits almost every one mentioned it was the birthplace of (illegal) Presidential candidate Obama(even though he really was born a Brit in Kenya before his Indonesian adoption). If you searched for articles about Alaska's 50th you would get several hundred articles with only a few mentioning candidate Palin. That my friend is the nature of The Illuminati-Freemasons. They control the media, the courts, congress, and even school curriculums.
And a shout-out to you Frank for your steadfast faithfulness in fighting the good fight.
YES!!! It is the Illuminati/Freemasons!

Has nothing to do with Obama being a President and Palin being a governor.

Welby... You are up there with the most gullible people I have ever read.

Exactly what has Palin done to warrant becoming Alaska's Elvis?

She is a pretty face on the television. Obama is the leader of the free world.

Illuminati... retard.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#180256 Nov 23, 2013
Jacques,
I was talking to Jacques. He makes a good foil.
Listen, people like Jim Inhofe have made a lot of people's lives miserable.
What goes around comes around.
You gotta get those jetplanes out of the Skyjacques.
They are wreaking havoc on the atmosphere.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#180257 Nov 23, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
sorry for cut.
Funny thing, the Russian Bear knew Nuclear war would destroy everything so they ramped up Chemical and Biological weaponry thinking that one day they could wipe out the entire USA and wait until the Chems/Bio dissipates and then move in to all our infrastructure.
------
General Abizaid: We Can Live with a Nuclear Iran
September 17, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/3xvs7p
ABC News' Jonathan Karl Reports: In contrast to U.S. officials who have consistently called a nuclear Iran unthinkable, former CENTCOM commander John Abizaid told reporters Monday that he believes the United States could live with a nuclear Iran.
"There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said. "I believe we have the power to deter Iran if they go nuclear" he said, just as we deterred the Soviet Union and China. "Iran is not a suicidal nation. Nuclear deterrence would work with Iran."
Even so, Abizaid said the U.S. keep up the pressure to try to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons because that would lead to further nuclear proliferation in the region. Asked if bombing Iran would be an option, he said, "We should not preclude any option" but: "War would be devastating to everyone, and we should avoid it to every extent we can."
Abizaid's comments came in response to questions following a news-less speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/...
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It is questionable about Russia's conventional weaponry and military these days as it is shy of demonstrating them, despite it is improving its submarine technology.
However, Russia does have a strong and viable edge in strategic weapons to Usa, since it has dug deep tunnels and upgraded strategic weapons extensively after US pulled away from the ABM treaty by Bush.
The contention of conventional military is now aggregated in Asia Pacific. China has produced much military equipment from the hardware it bought from Russia and it military is getting very large. Even US military admits that CHINA'S SUBMARINES CAN BE BETTER THAN THOSE OF US. Because other countries are facing China, India is buying a lots from Russia,including aircraft-carriers, while Japan is producing more on its own for its high technology.
North Korea has been training its military all along for many years while Vietnam is also active after Vietnam War.

Russia plays the Asia card in a mixture of sides between India, Japan, two Koreas and China very well as it is like on all of these sides. So, as they build up the military there, the Russian position in Asia Pacific makes unlikely for heavy military riff but their military building of countries at these times. Russia is also concerned about Europe and EU, that it is trying to gain back sup[port from Europe,including from Ukraine. As US deals with China only on economic concern to China's thinking, so US is still the adversary to the Chinese in these military ASPECTS.

US has been too much emphasized dealing with China in economics only. It is uncertain whether countries would stick and count on uSa in the long range aspects if China and Russia increasingly show strength in military enhancement. It is also not sure how long China's economic dream can last.

The focus is who would become more vital to these countries's choices in the long run, including those in Europe, Usa or Russia?

THE FACT IS THAT RUSSIA HAS AN ADVANTAGE IN STRATEGIC WEAPONS TO US, as this is the basis for the appraising of modern conventional weaponry and military.

Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#180258 Nov 23, 2013
Just 7 percent think Obamacare is working.
I am not one of them.
wojar

Bristol, CT

#180259 Nov 23, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>PDamerica, if you did a Google-search in 2008 about the 50th anniversay of Hawaii you would get thousands of hits almost every one mentioned it was the birthplace of (illegal) Presidential candidate Obama(even though he really was born a Brit in Kenya before his Indonesian adoption). If you searched for articles about Alaska's 50th you would get several hundred articles with only a few mentioning candidate Palin. That my friend is the nature of The Illuminati-Freemasons. They control the media, the courts, congress, and even school curriculums.
Palin wasn't born in Alaska. Duh!

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#180260 Nov 23, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
Just 7 percent think Obamacare is working.
I am not one of them.
I doubt if you're among those who think at all. "Obamacare" hasn't been implemented, it's still in the signup phase. The website has issues, the ACA still has yet to be implemented.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#180261 Nov 23, 2013
American Lady wrote:
THE FATAL CONCEIT OF OBAMACARE
Star Parker:[pssst ... a Black Lady]'Can it be any wonder that it is all collapsing?'
I have lined up my Christmas presents this year for our president, Barack Obama, and for Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius.
I will send them both a copy of the last book written by one of greatest economists of the last century, and winner of the Nobel Prize in economics in 1974, F.A. Hayek.
The book is called “The Fatal Conceit: The Errors of Socialism.”
Although the language and discussion of the book is not all that simple, the basic point is, I think, pretty straightforward. Hayek summed it all up in his acceptance speech for his Nobel Prize.
He noted the critical importance that we know what we don’t know. Thinking you know what you don’t and can’t know, the illusion that men can plan, organize and control things far beyond their understanding is the “fatal conceit” of socialism.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/the-fatal-conceit-...
ANY idiot who brings the false illusion of socialism into an intelligent argument is neither intelligent or has any clue as to what socialism is. back to your cave, misanthrope. a racist one at that.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#180262 Nov 23, 2013
JBH wrote:
<quoted text>
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It is questionable about Russia's conventional weaponry and military these days as it is shy of demonstrating them, despite it is improving its submarine technology.
However, Russia does have a strong and viable edge in strategic weapons to Usa, since it has dug deep tunnels and upgraded strategic weapons extensively after US pulled away from the ABM treaty by Bush.
The contention of conventional military is now aggregated in Asia Pacific. China has produced much military equipment from the hardware it bought from Russia and it military is getting very large. Even US military admits that CHINA'S SUBMARINES CAN BE BETTER THAN THOSE OF US. Because other countries are facing China, India is buying a lots from Russia,including aircraft-carriers, while Japan is producing more on its own for its high technology.
North Korea has been training its military all along for many years while Vietnam is also active after Vietnam War.
Russia plays the Asia card in a mixture of sides between India, Japan, two Koreas and China very well as it is like on all of these sides. So, as they build up the military there, the Russian position in Asia Pacific makes unlikely for heavy military riff but their military building of countries at these times. Russia is also concerned about Europe and EU, that it is trying to gain back sup[port from Europe,including from Ukraine. As US deals with China only on economic concern to China's thinking, so US is still the adversary to the Chinese in these military ASPECTS.
US has been too much emphasized dealing with China in economics only. It is uncertain whether countries would stick and count on uSa in the long range aspects if China and Russia increasingly show strength in military enhancement. It is also not sure how long China's economic dream can last.
The focus is who would become more vital to these countries's choices in the long run, including those in Europe, Usa or Russia?
THE FACT IS THAT RUSSIA HAS AN ADVANTAGE IN STRATEGIC WEAPONS TO US, as this is the basis for the appraising of modern conventional weaponry and military.
I meant the Russian build up with Bio/Chems back in the day and not now. Shelf Life and MAD.

You seem to have a very good knowledge of military worldwide.

I always wondered how many Russian Generals sold Nuclear Technology/Nuclear Weaponry,(Loose Nukes) in the black market after the fall in 1989?

General Krulak said years ago that the Dragon and not the Bear will be the next generation of military might and the USA will need a heavy presence in Asia.

The United States owes plenty of funds to China and Japan since the Bush wars in 2003 to Present.

I hope we do not need to start learning to speak Mandarin and Japanese because we cannot pay them back. LOL

Look to the Arctic my friend because that is the next hot spot for the imperialists around the world, because of the ice melt.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#180263 Nov 23, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
I meant the Russian build up with Bio/Chems back in the day and not now. Shelf Life and MAD.
You seem to have a very good knowledge of military worldwide.
I always wondered how many Russian Generals sold Nuclear Technology/Nuclear Weaponry,(Loose Nukes) in the black market after the fall in 1989?
General Krulak said years ago that the Dragon and not the Bear will be the next generation of military might and the USA will need a heavy presence in Asia.
The United States owes plenty of funds to China and Japan since the Bush wars in 2003 to Present.
I hope we do not need to start learning to speak Mandarin and Japanese because we cannot pay them back. LOL
Look to the Arctic my friend because that is the next hot spot for the imperialists around the world, because of the ice melt.
==========

It is doubtful that Russia would sell nuclear weapons to any countries in the past, even from former Russian military officials in the Black market. As a fact, Russia also sticks with Bush view that Iran might best not have nukes as well, despite it is interested in a relationship with Iran, besides Egypt and Syria in the ME region.

North Korea nukes have been its work a long time ago, with some help for Russia and China possibly, as it does possess some nuke bombs now.
But Russia and China both advocate against North Korea having the nukes at this time, and it is too late, for there is nothing they can do.

as far it shows, Russia stresses the unification of the two Koreas.

If JAPAN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE MILITARY,IT WOULD HAVE BUILT THE SUPER EQUIPMENT AND MILITARY a long time ago, INSTEAD OF GOING ALONG with US to invest in China, by helping China gaining manufacturing aspects and in the high technology, including US.

The Chinese do not have much creativity and invention but are able to copy and tackle problems and willing to work hard.

Russia has helped China in many areas, from space, military and sports programs. Now the Chinese do not count on Russia any more, but are able to challenge others.

In spite of the fact US owes China lots of debts, US is still the largest buyer of Chinese things and wants Chinese market, China might not show the pressing of debts at these times.

India has produced the second largest number of Ph. Ds after China on the planet and is able to fire rockets to Mars while China could land its men on the moon but not to Mars, there is not much in the difference in the level of their scientists.

Except India has its many scientists working in Usa and as programmers as well, it does not have its educated professionals to come to basic with FUNDAMENTAL PRODUCTION, therefore, ITS ECONOMICS MIGHT NOT PROPEL THAT FAST, like China's so far. However, India still has the potentials.

Since Japan plays a stronger role in facing China, China might not be able to move aggressively as it might like in the region.

Europe sees how Russia can pull its Asian card in the linkage road connecting to Europe. The ones which are closer to Usa are western European countries. Germany is increasingly flexible and playing in between Usa and others. Nordic (like NORWAY,ICELAND, and FINLAND) and some few ones play more as independent role in Europe
The future of how world evolvement AND balance are like, is uncertain and not visible to note at this time.

Wait until the Chinese and Russians get angry if they could resolve other ones in ASIA if they want to shuffle against anyone,including US.
I am not here to discuss these things.
It just by CHANCE indicates how things could possibly be by the sense of simple logic.

People should do their own job and things from their reasoning and rational minds.
I do not know all things, what people like and don't like.
That is it--all these are just opinions.

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#180264 Nov 23, 2013
JBH wrote:
If Hitler said of Axis-of-evil, nuclear weapons issue and WMD of others, these would be Hitler programs.
Imagine Bush as a neo-Hitler hypocrite by lying about WMD (for aggression like Hitler) by war to Iraq, there are still neo-radicals like Obama and Putin to continuously carry the war criminal Bush programs about nuclear weapons and WMD issues.
Still, history never wakes up to the awareness of continuous neo-Hitler alike programs, being alike as Bush calling on North Korea and Iran....
Apologies for shortening your post... needed the space.

There are many parallels between Bush and Hitler, there isn't much need for imagination. Bush is easily the most dangerous man to ever be a leader of a world power since Adolf. If anyone doubts this...

Say so, I will attempt to help you understand.

North Korea and Iran are non-secular nations. Theocracies are FAR too volatile to be allowed to control nuclear weapons. Both of these nations have BOLDLY stated what they would like to do with these weapons.

We are well past the time in human history when gods and superstitions should remain a threat to our survival. It is unacceptable for the parties of god to hold that kind of power. And I have never heard a rational argument that contradicts that statement.

Iran and it's people have been screwed over by popular demand for almost a century. It has been inexcusable, the meddling and pillaging that Britain and the U.S. have perpetrated in Iran. They seek nuclear weapons to break free of the nations that have had their boots on Iran's throat.

Obama's interest in Syria is a result of the United States' subservience to the United Nations, The World Bank and the military industrial complex. Syria and Iran have a mutual defense pact. If we can bait Iran into military action...(real or imagined) we have an open door to continue exploiting the people of Iran. That is what we desire, we aren't there for the cuisine.

Presidents ceased being leaders long ago here. They are for lack of a better word... "puppets" of the above mentioned institutions.

Case in point... And I know my fellow conservatives will chalk this up to Bush bashing, but really think about what I am about to say.

Bush made political, domestic and military moves to further the causes of each of the above mentioned institutions that he simply was not bright enough to make on his own.

If Bush would have been the leader of the world bank, the military industrial complex and the U.N. These would have been brilliant maneuvers, all of them. But for the U.S. as a nation... unthinkable and devolving.

The United States of America and the Constitution that made us the crown jewel of the new world is dead in every way that ever mattered.

The freedoms, liberties and self evident truths that made us great we now find can be taken from us with the stroke of a pen.

Our ability to militarily balance the scales of world justice is used to further the agendas of the world elite at the expense of the innocent.

Our press is the only institution mentioned in our constitution for a reason. We now have opinion based entertainment passing for journalism. Our press is owned and operated by those who would see us fight each other over meaningless trivial occurrence rather than providing us with what is plainly happening in our world.

Our seemingly endless wealth has been decimated by outsourcing our industry, using a fractional reserve banking system that will mathematically fail 100% of the time. Then dumping awe inspiring amounts of money into it when it does.

And We the People of The United States of America fund all of it.

Our fathers would cry "Shame!...have you none?".

All we really have left is the pride of knowing what we once had. And the regret that we allowed it to be taken from us.

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