BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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wojar

Bristol, CT

#180347 Nov 24, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>In 2008, when Obama was campaigning he said that there were 10 million people that needed health insurance. Due to Obama policies by September 2013 that number has been driven to 44 million. In September Obama stated that by March he would get 7 million people signed up for ObamaKare,that is a net loss of 37 million people without health insurance.
It seems that way to him when Frank makes up his own facts.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#180349 Nov 24, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The citizens of our country do not want Universal or government run plans.
Sure Frank, "Just keep your hands of my Medicare."

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Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#180350 Nov 24, 2013
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Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#180351 Nov 24, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The citizens of our country do not want Universal or government run plans.
Relax Frank, insurance under the ACA is not government run. BTW, the citizens of this country rejected the guy who vowed to repeal the ACA.

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Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#180352 Nov 24, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Five years ago Obama could have accepted plans that would have been much better than ObamaKare and he could have concentrated his efforts on the unemployment problems.
Republicans have not presented a coherent plan in the past 10 years.

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Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#180353 Nov 24, 2013
Republican senators proposed the individual mandate in the early 1990s, but now that's called socialism when enacted by Dems.

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Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#180354 Nov 24, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>How about re-allocating Medicaid funds and diverting tax revenue from medical practitioners,this along with cutting government waste could cover those that need help.
Healthcare comprises over 17% of GDP. Let's just divert the tax dollars from this segment? That's not a solution to the free rider problem, and it leaves a huge hole in the revenue stream. RU taking your Aricept?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180355 Nov 24, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The citizens of our country do not want Universal or government run plans. We want health care reforms that are fair and reasonable. How about re-allocating Medicaid funds and diverting tax revenue from medical practitioners,this along with cutting government waste could cover those that need help. When I think of health care reform,I think about the money that could be saved by cutting government waste and bureaucracy. The fastest way to cut the rise in health care costs is to change the rules for law suits. Instead of most of the dollars going to lawyers,the penalty dollars should go directly back to health care. When citizens of the United States think about health care reform,they think about reducing the cost of health care not increasing it.
You're wrong. All the way. 100%.

You say "The citizens of our country do not want Universal or government run plans. We want health care reforms that are fair and reasonable". Are you saying that the citizens of the 33 OECD countries with gov't-run universal health care have plans that are not fair and reasonable? If so, why is it that in NONE of those countries has any political party, from the extreme right to the extreme left, has not toyed around or diminished their plans? How it that in those 33 OECD countries, the bulk, the vast majority of citizens are happy with their plans? You wrote "We want health care reforms..." Who is "we"? Are you the spokesperson for 300+ million Americans? Do you think that the 55 million uninsured and 100 million poorly-insured with impossible premiums agree with you?

What is wrong? Why can't you look beyond your borders and see what other folks, other countries, are doing? You may be surprised.

Law suits? Explain to me why, again, yours is the only place where a patient can reap $50 million for a botched tonsillectomy? How ridiculous. And, yes, I agree with you, cut the cost of health care so that medicine is affordable. American doctors are shystering their patients, plain and simple. You need regulated rates. Not pauper rates, but fair and regulated rates.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180356 Nov 24, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, another of Rogue Dumbarse's crack predictions.
Oh, but even if he's wrong, he'll still be right. He'll blame the media and the pollsters. With Rogue, it's win-win. This is how he won Vietnam singlehandedly.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180357 Nov 24, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Healthcare comprises over 17% of GDP. Let's just divert the tax dollars from this segment? That's not a solution to the free rider problem, and it leaves a huge hole in the revenue stream. RU taking your Aricept?
What percentage is the defence budget? Methinks it's more than 17%.
OpenSecrets org

West Sayville, NY

#180359 Nov 24, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, but even if he's wrong, he'll still be right. He'll blame the media and the pollsters. With Rogue, it's win-win. This is how he won Vietnam singlehandedly.
LOL

Funny!

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180360 Nov 24, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Slick Willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Yah know, Obama just thinks he was slick when he changed the date for the EmpoyER mandate sign-in to start AFTER next years election because anyone with half-a-brain knows it is a blatant political move. Look at me, most people did knot no I was being slick when I was because I don't make it look slick.
And another thing. Slicky Obama does not realize that it is the individual state laws which make insurance companies give 90 DAYS notice when changing, or cancelling, policies and that means, AGAIN, OCTOBER 1, 2014 these people will get their noticed but now they will have to wait six weeks before they can sign up?!? I mean, how stupid can Slicky Obama get?!?
This year we had a little over five million INDIVIDUAL policies, which affected over ten million people, were cancelled but next October it will be 50-75 MILLION policies which will be cancelled affecting 100-150 MILLION people. Hey Slicky Obama, WTF were you thinking???
Obama give 'Slick' a bad name!!!
<quoted text>
I have been saying all that along but I really don't Hillary will be in the White House in 2017!
Just wait until next year this time and Obama maybe lucky if he is not tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail.
Slick Willie did not acquire his nickname because of successful policy.

He was Slick Willie because he was a brilliant public speaker. He could tell people nearly anything, and given the proper vocal inflection... it sounded like bonus Christmas presents.

When he was finished speaking he would look you directly in the eyes and give you one of those "...and we're gonna get away with it too!" looks.

Like you were part of an inside joke...

Presentation-wise my second favorite president behind Dubbya Bush. Who was as enigmatic as someone who is supposed to be in charge could get.
OpenSecrets org

West Sayville, NY

#180361 Nov 24, 2013
Full Show: Zombie Politics and Casino Capitalism
November 23, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/k766fpl
This week on Moyers & Company, author and scholar Henry Giroux explains how our political system has turned people into zombies –“people who are basically so caught up with surviving that they become like the walking dead — they lose their sense of agency, they lose their homes, they lose their jobs.”
Also on the broadcast, Bill looks at Birth of the Living Dead, a mesmerizing new documentary that examines the singular time in which the classic 1968 film Night of the Living Dead was shot – when civil unrest and violence gave the nation nightmares and zombies were a metaphor for a troubled and distressed American public.
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2013/11/23
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#180362 Nov 24, 2013
BlatheringIdiot wrote:
<quoted text>
Kentucky, did you know Paul Ryan's plan called for exchanges and several million people would have gotten cancellation notices?
He's probably a socialist from Kenya, huh?
Ryan never wrote a bio stating that he was born in another country published for 17 years and I am sure that the state of where he was born will have no problem giving him a legitimate copy of his birth certificate.
Obama knew people would lose their insurance despite his blatant lie BEFORE it was illegally passed!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180363 Nov 24, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Slick Willie did not acquire his nickname because of successful policy.
He was Slick Willie because he was a brilliant public speaker. He could tell people nearly anything, and given the proper vocal inflection... it sounded like bonus Christmas presents.
When he was finished speaking he would look you directly in the eyes and give you one of those "...and we're gonna get away with it too!" looks.
Like you were part of an inside joke...
Presentation-wise my second favorite president behind Dubbya Bush. Who was as enigmatic as someone who is supposed to be in charge could get.
According to Rogue, there has not been one single true conservative Republican president in all of the 20th and 21st president. How very frustrating for him;

According to you , there has not been one good president in the last 50 years or so. How very frustrating for you.

I just cannot be that cynical, that categorical, sorry. Yes, they had plenty of warts but to find excruciating fault with pretty much every one of them and not find one single positive achievement...just imagine if in Washington's, Jefferson's, Lincoln's, Teddy's presidencies, they had been stuck with the same kind of lightning communications ,internet, and paparazzi kind of media we have now...wow, even JFK would not have lasted 6 months, and Jefferson, about 1 month.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180364 Nov 24, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
According to Rogue, there has not been one single true conservative Republican president in all of the 20th and 21st president. How very frustrating for him;
According to you , there has not been one good president in the last 50 years or so. How very frustrating for you.
I just cannot be that cynical, that categorical, sorry. Yes, they had plenty of warts but to find excruciating fault with pretty much every one of them and not find one single positive achievement...just imagine if in Washington's, Jefferson's, Lincoln's, Teddy's presidencies, they had been stuck with the same kind of lightning communications ,internet, and paparazzi kind of media we have now...wow, even JFK would not have lasted 6 months, and Jefferson, about 1 month.
I didn't say there weren't average/decent presidents.

I said there hasn't been a GREAT president since JFK.

When was the last time America did anything great? JFK sent us to the moon. Put American people on another celestial body. Inspired a generation who contributed heavily to our modern technology we all take for granted.

What have we done since that doesn't involve setting cities on fire?

Obama wants to go to Mars... 15 years after he is out of office to be funded and green lighted by some other guy someday.
angel

Boise, ID

#180365 Nov 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The citizens of our country do not want Universal or government run plans. We want health care reforms that are fair and reasonable. How about re-allocating Medicaid funds and diverting tax revenue from medical practitioners,this along with cutting government waste could cover those that need help. When I think of health care reform,I think about the money that could be saved by cutting government waste and bureaucracy. The fastest way to cut the rise in health care costs is to change the rules for law suits. Instead of most of the dollars going to lawyers,the penalty dollars should go directly back to health care. When citizens of the United States think about health care reform,they think about reducing the cost of health care not increasing it.
Frank im honestly curious:Where did you Teabaggers EVER get the idea that you speak for the American People?
And let us not forget that the Republican Corporate toadies YOU and your idiot Tri Cornered Hat pals keep sending to Washington over and over have championed nothing for decades but best interests of the Insurance Industry and Pharmaceutical business Bottom Line.
Usually at the expense of Americans unfortunate enough to encounter Health Problems.
angel

Boise, ID

#180366 Nov 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama stated that he would be able to force 60%-80% of the population to lose their health insurance by 2017.
Yeah! Frank read that on some far Right Nut Hole Blog site!
It MUST be true!
Im sure forcing 80% of the Country out of Health Coverage is EXACTLY what Obama has in mind!
Tell fools what they WANT to hear and they will swear its Gospel....

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180367 Nov 25, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say there weren't average/decent presidents.
I said there hasn't been a GREAT president since JFK.
When was the last time America did anything great? JFK sent us to the moon. Put American people on another celestial body. Inspired a generation who contributed heavily to our modern technology we all take for granted.
What have we done since that doesn't involve setting cities on fire?
Obama wants to go to Mars... 15 years after he is out of office to be funded and green lighted by some other guy someday.
First a correction : I wrote "every 20th and 21st president". I of course meant every 20th and 21st century".

Okay, I , like you, idolized JFK. But , he was only president for less than 3 years. On the negative side, he initiated the Vietnam tragedy. You never mention that. Yes, he may or may not have escalated. But the fact is, he started it and had Diem assassinated, which did not improve the situation. He started the peace corps, but let's not forget Sergeant Shriver who did the actual work. As to space and the moon landing, yes, he invoked it and then died. LBJ was the force behind it. JFK pushed civil rights, who can forget it? But it was Eisenhower who sent in the national guards and desegregated that Little Rock school. It was him who had the civil rights act passed into law.

And, as I wrote, JFK, with all his sexual trysts, would not have lasted long in today's crazy and nutty media world.

I repeat, oh, how I admired the man, still do, and I don't give a hoot about his womanizing - but others do. I do believe I mostly admired him for his style, grace, wit, intelligence, good looks, elegant wife, but mostly FOR WHAT MIGHT'VE BEEN. Clinton, corporate hack that he was, achieved more,(imagine if GWB had built on those surpluses instead of cutting taxes for the rich and starting two unfunded wars) and same with Obama who, despite his Wall street donations and his corporate welfare to the street, never misses an opportunity to criticize and lambast it. If obamacare can carefully be improved, that alone will be quite a legacy. So will the accord with Iran - if it works.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180368 Nov 25, 2013
Damn. Corr : "it was him who had the civil rights act passed." READ : "it was LBJ who had the civil rights act passed".

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