BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

New Britain, CT

#180062 Nov 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And what is funny is that you Libtards thought Reagan was an actor when Bill could out act him any day of the week. And that was all it was, was an act for Clinton. Same with Obama.
Bill received a Presidential Medal of Freedom for his good works today.

Has nothing to do with imaginary musings of his state of mind by unbalanced psychos.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#180063 Nov 20, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
What does the citizenship status of an Indian in Colorado in the 1800s has to do with the citizenship status of President Obama in the 21st century?
If you would read what I posted you would know.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#180064 Nov 20, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Senator Trumbull ALSO said:
"By the terms of the Constitution he must have been a citizen of the United States for nine years before he could take a seat here, and seven years before he could take a seat in the other House ; and, in order to be President of the United States, a person must be a native-born citizen. It is the common law of this country, and of all countries, and it was unnecessary to incorporate it in the Constitution, that a person is a citizen of the country in which he is born…. I read from Paschal's Annotated Consitutuion, note 274: "All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together." Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are, in theory, born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons." Sen. Trumbull, Cong. Globe. 1st Session, 42nd Congress, pt. 1, pg. 575 (1872)
And Bingham said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
They are right, and you are wrong.
What do you not understand about, complete jurisdiction?
Obskeptic

Farmington, MI

#180065 Nov 20, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
What does the citizenship status of an Indian in Colorado in the 1800s has to do with the citizenship status of President Obama in the 21st century?
I'm not sure, but I just purchased an original Sioux Indian Peace Pipe circa 1880's that was given to President Eisenhower as a gift. It is a magnificent artifact, and looks beautiful in our home. I consider myself very lucky to have such an important piece of western american history. I may even have to fire it up someday.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#180066 Nov 20, 2013
Just what should be expected from a fraud!
Poll: Obama, ObamaCare Crash to Record Lows
pResident SUGGESTS INFINITE DEBT CEILING
Obama: What, Me Socialist? Yes You, Usurper!
Deep Discounts on Tickets for Obama Fundraiser in SF
Awh, It looks like Obama will miss that lick, lick after all, huh SHEEPLE?
That love affair with that highly addictive Obama ass crack is over.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180067 Nov 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why did Bill Clinton suddenly leave Oxford in March 1968? He would have graduated come June but he left in March, why? Oh, he said it was to attend Yale Law School but that did not start until September and if the Mayflower could cross the Atlantic in 66 days in 1620, certainly Bil could have waited to graduate Oxford in June and still make his plane to fly him to Yale in September?
Or was it because a 19 y/o British girl accused Bill Clinton of ..... RAPE?!? Oh, the British police did investigate and it might have been a case of date-rape but they did not have enough evidence go go ahead with a prosecution. But that does not mean Bill did not rape her, did it?
But because a woman accuses GZ of pointing a shotgun at her, it must be true?!?
So, what you are saying is that women are not reliable witnesses?

I don't know Rouge. Sounds right up his alley to me. Save that he was charged I know nothing about the incident.

However, I know enough about assholes like GZ to know this is par for the coarse. I will tell you I am pretty damn certain this happened.

He posts most of the flags. His wife who left him the night before he killed T.M. was all about telling people who he really is. A control freak with psychological issues. She also said that he had gotten worse from the trial, it made him feel he was above law.

Not surprising, a few months later he is pulling the same crap on another woman with seemingly increased vigor.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180068 Nov 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I was wondering how long it would take you.
Tell us, why after GZ allegedly put a shotgun to the face of his girl friend she calmly called 911? If she was really afraid, why did he allegedly have to push her out of the house? There seems to be way to many questions here.
Oh, the last year of my 21 year marriage my wife tried to provoke me into assaulting her and all I would do is take a long walk.
I like women to much to want to share a cell with a Bubba for twenty odd years! It is to easy to get a new woman and they are not worth prison time.
Oh, our daughter broke off relations with her mother five years ago. She use to be a real nice lady but I probably would not recognize her today.
It happens.

I really don't see someone like yourself participating in or deserving that kind of behavior.

There are crazy women out there. There are also crazy men.

I knew there was something real wrong with G.Z. because of the reason he gave for not being able to remember the name of one of the three streets in his housing complex he had lived at for years.

He said he had a "memory problem" one so bad he was "medicated" for it.

I looked up the drug they said he took and it is used to treat severe ADD. A virtual temporary chemical lobotomy... for memory.

There is more going on there than faulty memory.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#180069 Nov 20, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
"Well, there are about 202 million Americans between the age of 16 and 70 and out of that 586 thousand gave up looking for work!!!"
And how many are between 60 and 70? You do know that the boomer generation is aging. That's Obama's fault?
Is Rouge working? Nope. That's Obama's fault.
Who will you blame anti-employment Obama policies on?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180070 Nov 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
What's the capital of Canada? Watch Harvard students struggle to answer
Dylan Stableford, Yahoo News - 8 hours ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r0fdYhgJIeEXX
Thanks for that. What can I say? If ignorance is bliss, these students from HARVARD for god's sake must be blissful. Cripes, some even named PROVINCES, not cities. Closest ally and biggest or 2nd biggest trading partner with whom we share an almost 4000-mile and one-of-a-world-kind peaceful border.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180071 Nov 20, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I supplied a link Jacque, with testimony from his own family that he lobbied the rest of them to vote for Obama. If you do a google search on whether Zimmerman voted for Obama, there are multiple sources that report he was. I suppose they all could be lying along with his own family about it, since I don't know him I am accepting that as truth.
http://www.ibtimes.com/voting-form-shows-geor...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/ignor...
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...
http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-me...
As for the evil thing, that is what Charles Krauthammer says, and it is how most democrats treat anyone republican. Republicans get about as much respect from democrats as Al-queda does. It doesn't matter to me if you accept that or not as a fact. There is enough evidence to substantiate that on MSNBC and CNN and Bill Maher's show.
What I garner from your links is that he signed up as a democrat at the age of 17. He was a good kid then. After this, we are told he was a nice guy, took a black girl to the prom and tutored black kids. Then he started to have problems. Is that when he switched to the Repub party? LMAO. Just kidding, I accept your proof that he was a democrat.

As to your second allegation, there is no proof, it is just something said out of nowhere, it makes no sense to just paint as evil anyone who is a Democrat. As to Democrats not giving a lot of Republicans no respect, well, just think about it. Can you blame them?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180072 Nov 20, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Your as big a liar as the president is "Communismnow org".
http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwag...
The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour, and they have no place deciding what the value of an employees production is worth. That is something that should be left to the business owner. Since there is a minimum wage law though, let me tell you how I use it to my advantage. I pay my lowest level employee $15 per hour. If they decide to become a problem to me, I instruct my payroll company to change their rate of pay to $7.25 per hour instead of firing them and paying the unemployment benefits. Knowing they can not survive at $7.25 they quit, and I am not obligated to pay their unemployment. Pretty cool, huh?
Here, the provinces set the minimum wage, which varies anywhere from $10 to#12. an hour. I thought you guys had the same system, in that the 50 states each set their own minimum wage which I understand ranges from approx.$4.00 to the rate you quoted,$7.25.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180073 Nov 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Lincoln never made that statement and neither did over forty other Presidents,Obama is the only one that has said that our country is not a Christian country.
Wrong in almost every way.

The United States is a secular nation... as founded.

"As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion,- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of of Musselmen (Muslims),- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty of Tripoli, signed into law by John Adams

Adams was President. And a key founding father.

The US has a lot of Christians... it doesn't make the US a christian nation.

Thomas Jefferson was pretty plain about this subject too.

The primary founding fathers were deist.

They believed in something far closer to naturalism than christianity. At least the big name founders.

Remember, just because someone uses the word "god" it doesn't necessarily imply a default to "your god".

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#180075 Nov 20, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong in almost every way.
The United States is a secular nation... as founded.
"As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion,- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of of Musselmen (Muslims),- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
-Treaty of Tripoli, signed into law by John Adams
Adams was President. And a key founding father.
The US has a lot of Christians... it doesn't make the US a christian nation.
Thomas Jefferson was pretty plain about this subject too.
The primary founding fathers were deist.
They believed in something far closer to naturalism than christianity. At least the big name founders.
Remember, just because someone uses the word "god" it doesn't necessarily imply a default to "your god".
To Frank, the U.S. is a theocracy. It's not.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180077 Nov 20, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure, but I just purchased an original Sioux Indian Peace Pipe circa 1880's that was given to President Eisenhower as a gift. It is a magnificent artifact, and looks beautiful in our home. I consider myself very lucky to have such an important piece of western american history. I may even have to fire it up someday.
Outstanding find.

I hope you had rigorous documentation if you paid historical artifact price for it.

:)
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#180078 Nov 20, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Your as big a liar as the president is "Communismnow org".
http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwag...
The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour, and they have no place deciding what the value of an employees production is worth. That is something that should be left to the business owner. Since there is a minimum wage law though, let me tell you how I use it to my advantage. I pay my lowest level employee $15 per hour. If they decide to become a problem to me, I instruct my payroll company to change their rate of pay to $7.25 per hour instead of firing them and paying the unemployment benefits. Knowing they can not survive at $7.25 they quit, and I am not obligated to pay their unemployment. Pretty cool, huh?
You are accusing me of lying just because the Democrats raised the minimum wage in 2009? LOL

I hope you realize that the more the Middle Class makes the more they spend which is good for the economy.

What I glean is you condone downsizing, outsourcing, low wages underpaid, which is destroying our Middle Class who keeps this economy thriving.

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Western Democracy: A Farce and a Sham
November 4, 2011 / http://tinyurl.com/nr8h69u
Every day that passes adds to the fraudulent image of what is called Western democracy.
Consider that the entire Western world is outraged that the Greek prime minister announced that he is going to permit the Greek people to decide their own fate instead of having it decided for them by a handful of banksters, politicians, and bureaucrats living it up at taxpayer expense at "talks" in the French resort of Cannes on the Mediterranean.
The Greek economy is facing its fourth year of decline and lacks the revenues to service its national debt held by private European banks. The banks don't want to lose any money, so a handful of power brokers reached an agreement with representatives of the Greek government to write off some of the debt in exchange for EU capital subsidies to be financed by inflicting severe austerity on the Greek population. Wages, salaries, pensions and medical care are being cut while the rate of unemployment rises to depression levels. Government employees are laid off. Valuable public properties are to be sold to private parties for pennies on the dollar. In short, Greece is to be looted.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts330...
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#180079 Nov 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Best be a sport, I won't mention Canada's
I did remember you told me about the minimum wage in Canada but I did not update and rewrite it in my arsenal.
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#180080 Nov 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>The unions love the minimum wage because then they have negotiation power. I would agree to a minimum wage if that was the wage that the union leadership was paid. Do you realize that since the minimum wage has gone up from $2.90 an hour to $7.25 the cost of be a resident of the United States has gone up more than $4.35 an hour. When the minimum wage was $2.90 and hour an average person had a phone bill of less than $20, a utility bill of less than $25 and an electricity bill of less than $40 which included over the air television if they didn't have a $25 cable bill. Those bills combined today are several hundred dollars a month.
Why do you care about Unions when they are powerless because of
Republican policies.

Ronald Reagan hated workers in Unions and weakened them.

One of the reasons your bills keeps going up is because of the over 76,000 pages in the Tax Code that both corrupt parties use to benefit corporate America so they can be reelected.
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#180081 Nov 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>When my parents were born,there was not minimum wage. The first minimum wage of 25 cents wasn't until 1938, it took twenty three years until 1961 before the minimum wage rose to over a dollar. Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland, Germany, Austria, Italy, and Cyprus have no minimum wage laws. The wages are set by unions and in Germany the minimum wages are set by job description and by geographic region. The is no statutory German minimum wage. As of January 2013, the minimum wage in Germany is basically 7.50. Until very recently the German government never considered a minimum wage and the guest workers or foreign nationals that did a large percentage of the 'minimum wage' work were paid far less than their German counterparts. Since the United States has federal minimum wage and most states have state minimum wage, unions should be abolished.
In 1913 our corrupt Congress enabled the Federal Reserve.

Pres. Nixon killed the gold standard.

Bill Clinton and all Newt Gingrich Republicans terminated Glass/Steagall.

Why are you blaming hard working Americans for wanting to be paid a living wage?

Hard working Americans deserve healthcare benefits and good pensions, and that should include our working poor and indigent Americans.

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Uniquely American
George W. Bush thinks one person working 3 jobs is fantastic
http://tinyurl.com/6yz8lw
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#180082 Nov 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Like the United States, the government of all those countries spend/waste too much money. If the political leaders of the United States were really concerned about people having a 'livable wage' they would stop wasting tax dollars and reduce the taxes on every one. When federal income taxes were started a hundred years ago the average worker paid little or no taxes and the richest people paid 7%. The taxes went up temporarily for WWI and WWII but never fell back down to low levels as promised by government with the exception of some reductions in the mid 1920's.
Back in the 1950's when General Eisenhower was President the wealthiest top 1% of Americans had to pay 91% in taxes.

Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to dictatorship.

Ignorant masses who have to be marginalized for their own good.

In the twentieth century it was the Liberal Progressive Era that benefited most Americans.

The New Deal, The Fair Deal, The GI Bill, and the Great Society.

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A Sorry Spectacle
The Democratic Party is a Big Fraud
September 10, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/9p3v5vt
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/10/the-de...

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#180083 Nov 20, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
That reminds me of the time I hacked into a corporate account during a law suit. I was at public computer, but no video. Not only could they not trace me, but they never even knew they had been hacked.
I have been involved in a good deal of mischief as far as hacking goes. And yes, I have played with the baptist on more than one occasion. I have also participated in some things that could have gotten me in big trouble.

As far as I am concerned though, it is the geek that shall inherit the Earth. When tech runs the world, the tech savvy are the true masters of civilization.

I haven't played in a while but my kung fu is formidable.

Hey... here is something I think you will appreciate.

Some of the most amusing things to do for hackers that travel involve hotels. Hotel rooms are unassuming enough. But to people who play... that wire from the wall to the TV is not just a wire. It is an open door to the hotel network. This particular hotel advertised SECURE internet for the business class.

One of the first times I saw one... I ran straight to the gear shop and picked up an infrared transceiver....FIVE bucks.

This device mimics remote control signals, so I can use my computer to talk to the network.

What does this mean?

Well, I can watch free movies. Or more to my liking play free games.

I know what you are thinking... So what.. Scrutiny?

Well, I can also watch YOU watch TV. Hell, I now control what you watch on your TV. I decide whether you are watching the evening news or bad girls dormitory.

If you are web browsing on any hotel screen... I can watch you. I have screen shots of some crazy stuff. Giant money transfers, people soliciting prostitutes, or even what they are ordering for dinner.

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