BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Dale

Wichita, KS

#179665 Nov 16, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And neither can Dale, even though he doesn't understand a word they said.
Tinker Bell!!! Didn't you know that Mr. Howard changed jus soli to jus sanguinis for citizenship.

The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law (Law of Nations, by Vattel) and national law (Civil Rights Act) a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.

Offered and accepted in its entirety and ratified in 1868.

By doing this he neutralized the questions of the Indians, gypsies, Chinese and all persons here temporarily.

Since: May 10

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#179666 Nov 16, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote : "But Liberals average three times as many partners than Conservatives do" Prove it now, BSr. NOW. Or will you tell me to find it myself.
Pound sand!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179667 Nov 16, 2013
OMG, a major new outlet referred to Obama as "biracial". How can that be when "everyone' says he is black. Why even Obama claims he is .... black.

White mayor, black wife: NYC shatters an image
Associated Press
By JESSE WASHINGTON 6 hours ago

Another milestone is passing in America's racial journey: The next mayor of New York City is a white man with a black wife.

Even in a nation with a biracial president,......
http://news.yahoo.com/white-mayor-black-wife-...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#179668 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Rouge seems to believe in the fiction that a DS-1350 is a certificate of natural born citizenship. It isn't.
<quoted text>
Then what does a DS-1350 mean? That he was a citizen at birth regardless of wear he was born? But isn't that the definition of an NBC?!?
"At birth" refers to citizenship derived by birth under the jurisdiction of the sovereign (a monarch or government of the people). It does not refer to timing, but rather to the condition wherein one is born per the jus soli rule. A person born on foreign soil to a US citizen who does not have diplomatic status becomes a citizen automatically naturalized through statute enacted by Congress.(Indeed, for many years in the first half of the 19th century, persons born of US citizens abroad were born aliens.) Congress can only make a person a citizen through naturalization. A naturalized citizen cannot be a natural born citizen.

"As stated in Van Dyne on
CItizenship of the United States, pp. 32:
'It was almost universally conceded that
citizenship by birth In the United States was
governed by the principles of the English
common law. It Is very doubtful whether the
common law covered the case of children
born abroad to subjects of England.'"
Congressional Record, June 14, 1967, page 16876,
column 1, paragraph 6.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179669 Nov 16, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Well, have you and your ilk cured poverty? It will be here until the end of time, makes no difference how much your heart bleeds.
More Americans are now unemployed than were unemployed during the Great Depression!!!
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#179670 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pound sand!
Wikileaks Exposes the TPP as a Capitulation to Corporate Interests
November 15, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/o8o2bcj
Kevin Zeese is co-director of It's Our Economy, an organization that advocates for democratizing the economy. He's also an attorney who is one of the original organizers of the National Occupation of Washington, DC. He has been active in independent and third party political campaigns including for state legislative offices in Maryland, governor of California and U.S. president, where he served as press secretary and spokesperson for Ralph Nader in 2004. He ran for the U.S. Senate in 2006 and was the only person ever nominated by the Green Party, Libertarian Party and Populist Party.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179671 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just like Vietnam under LBJ, Obama will not let the military fight to WIN! In the end both sides will lose fewer people.
<quoted text>
Yes we did WIN the Military war in just three weeks. We lost the insurgency because of Obama!!!
Now, how many civilians have been killed in Obama's Drone Strikes?
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Not too too good on dates, are you? The insurgency began in 2009?
Where did I say that? No, it started before 2009. In fact it started right after we captured Iraq.
But Obama stopped fighting it and ordered our troops to remain in the camps so they would not get hurt.
Ya know, if policemen remain in the police stations, very few cops will get hurt. But by doing so they turn the streets over to the criminals and many more innocent people become crime victims.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#179672 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
More Americans are now unemployed than were unemployed during the Great Depression!!!
...AND many more Americans are EMPLOYED than were employed during the Great Depression.

Get a clue!!!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#179673 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just like Vietnam under LBJ, Obama will not let the military fight to WIN! In the end both sides will lose fewer people.
<quoted text>
Yes we did WIN the Military war in just three weeks. We lost the insurgency because of Obama!!!
Now, how many civilians have been killed in Obama's Drone Strikes?
<quoted text>
Where did I say that? No, it started before 2009. In fact it started right after we captured Iraq.
But Obama stopped fighting it and ordered our troops to remain in the camps so they would not get hurt.
Ya know, if policemen remain in the police stations, very few cops will get hurt. But by doing so they turn the streets over to the criminals and many more innocent people become crime victims.
We lost the insurgency because Bushit didn't plan for it. What a dufus he his.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#179674 Nov 16, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Tinker Bell!!! Didn't you know that Mr. Howard changed jus soli to jus sanguinis for citizenship.
The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law (Law of Nations, by Vattel) and national law (Civil Rights Act) a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.
Offered and accepted in its entirety and ratified in 1868.
By doing this he neutralized the questions of the Indians, gypsies, Chinese and all persons here temporarily.
Exactly, Dale cannot understand a word Howard said. Howard was 100% in support of the jus soli rule and he stated so.

“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).(May 23, 1866)

“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

So either Howard did not understand his own words or Dale is terribly confused and illiterate.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And neither can Dale, even though he doesn't understand a word they said.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179675 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
More Americans are now unemployed than were unemployed during the Great Depression!!!
How can we as a nation keep supporting people that don't have jobs.
If Obamacare isn't overturned there will be more people unemployed.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#179676 Nov 16, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Tinker Bell!!! Didn't you know that Mr. Howard changed jus soli to jus sanguinis for citizenship.
The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law (Law of Nations, by Vattel) and national law (Civil Rights Act) a citizen of the United States.
Vattel?

Howard stated his understanding of natural law as pertaining to citizenship, and it was not Vattel.

“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).

Vattel? Vattel's understanding of jurisdiction is at odds with Play Law. so is every other accepted definition of jurisdiction.

Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.

The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”

So Dale believes Howard's understanding of citizenship derives from Vattel, even though Howard plainly stated otherwise, and even Vattel's definition of jurisdiction is totally at odds with Play law.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179677 Nov 16, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, Dale cannot understand a word Howard said. Howard was 100% in support of the jus soli rule and he stated so.
“A citizen of the United States is held by the courts to be a person who was born within the limits of the United States and subject to their laws.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).(May 23, 1866)
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
So either Howard did not understand his own words or Dale is terribly confused and illiterate.
<quoted text>
Tinker Bell!!! Jus sanguinis has been the law since 1868. Now we know why Gray made the following.

“Doubtless, the intention of the congress which framed, and of the states which adopted, this amendment of the constitution, must be sought in the words of the amendment, and the debates in congress are not admissible as evidence to control the meaning of those words.”

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#179678 Nov 16, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
The short answer is that we do not impeach presidents anymore.
Difference between Obama and Cruz is that Cruz was not born here.
Hello Scrutiny,

Yes. President Obama was born here.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#179679 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
More Americans are now unemployed than were unemployed during the Great Depression!!!
This is because there are more Americans now than there was during the Great Depression.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179680 Nov 16, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Vattel?
Howard stated his understanding of natural law as pertaining to citizenship, and it was not Vattel.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Vattel? Vattel's understanding of jurisdiction is at odds with Play Law. so is every other accepted definition of jurisdiction.
Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.
The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”
So Dale believes Howard's understanding of citizenship derives from Vattel, even though Howard plainly stated otherwise, and even Vattel's definition of jurisdiction is totally at odds with Play law.
LMAO!!! "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" simply means not subject to a foreign power at birth, this would mean the father must be a citizens of the US(Jus sanguinis).

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179681 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Pound sand!
Don't you get fed up with being shown up every single time? Pound sand? Proves you invented and lied at that same time. Poor loser.

Jacques from Ottawa wrote:

<quoted text>
You wrote : "But Liberals average three times as many partners than Conservatives do" Prove it now, BSr. NOW. Or will you tell me to find it myself.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179682 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
OMG, a major new outlet referred to Obama as "biracial". How can that be when "everyone' says he is black. Why even Obama claims he is .... black.
White mayor, black wife: NYC shatters an image
Associated Press
By JESSE WASHINGTON 6 hours ago
Another milestone is passing in America's racial journey: The next mayor of New York City is a white man with a black wife.
Even in a nation with a biracial president,......
http://news.yahoo.com/white-mayor-black-wife-...
More racial obsessions. Scours the internet for sexual perversions and racial topics and guns and and...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179683 Nov 16, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
More Americans are now unemployed than were unemployed during the Great Depression!!!
Please prove it. Or are you going to tell me to pound sand?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179684 Nov 16, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Vattel?
Howard stated his understanding of natural law as pertaining to citizenship, and it was not Vattel.
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as were born in the country or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).
Vattel? Vattel's understanding of jurisdiction is at odds with Play Law. so is every other accepted definition of jurisdiction.
Ҥ 84. Jurisdiction.
The sovereignty united to the domain establishes the jurisdiction of the nation in her territories, or the country that belongs to her. It is her province, or that of her sovereign, to exercise justice in all the places under her jurisdiction, to take cognisance of the crimes committed, and the differences that arise in the country.”
So Dale believes Howard's understanding of citizenship derives from Vattel, even though Howard plainly stated otherwise, and even Vattel's definition of jurisdiction is totally at odds with Play law.
LMAO!!! The only people that are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof (US Constitution)" are citizen.(see 14th amendment)

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