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“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179219 Nov 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
For the most part Republicans are gangsters and Democrats are racketeers who do not represent 99% of all Americans.
Our tax code is over 76,000 pages because both corrupt parties use it to benefit their corporate donors.
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Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich- and Cheat Everyone Else
http://tinyurl.com/3ptn5qm / May 18, 2004
One of the country's top investigative reporters reveals how the richest people within the top 1 percent of the country has rigged the tax code and other laws in its favor.
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter David Cay Johnston has been breaking pieces of this story on the front page of The New York Times for nine years, work for which one business school professor calls him ěthe de facto chief tax enforcement officer of the United Statesî. With Perfectly Legal, he puts the whole shocking narrative together in a way that will stir up media attention and make readers angry about the state of our country. And he has sound advice on what to do.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/181339-1
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Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense /(And Stick You with the Bill)
January 18, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/2yequa
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston joins us to talk about his new book,“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill).” Johnston reveals how government subsidies and new regulations have quietly funneled money from the poor and the middle class to the rich and politically connected.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lu...
You can't mean that, except the part about the crooked, dishonest,criminal, lying dirtbag dems in the government.

Funneled what money from the poor? They don't pay any money.
Me thinks you're seen too many Oliver Stone movies.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179220 Nov 12, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
As a sovereign nation we did indeed make a decision as to who would be citizens, and who would be Natural Born Citizens, and Bingham and Rawle and ten appeals courts all say the same thing about the definition of Natural Born. It includes EVERY child born in the USA regardless of the citizenship of the parents, regardless of whether the child was a dual citizen at birth (or even a dual citizen when eligible to be president);;
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
More reading on the subject:
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...
Irrelevant!!! The Constitution says who will be citizens of the US, those that are only subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179221 Nov 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Twenty-five people at the heart of the meltdown
26 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bwrl8l
The worst economic turmoil since the Great Depression is not a natural phenomenon but a man-made disaster in which we all played a part. In the second part of a week-long series looking behind the slump, Guardian City editor Julia Finch picks out the individuals who have led us into the current crisis
1. Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006 2. Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England 3. Bill Clinton, former US president 4. Gordon Brown, prime minister 5. George W Bush, former US president 6. Senator Phil Gramm 7. Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist 8. Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's 9. Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group 10. Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
11. Sir Fred Goodwin, former RBS boss 12. Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
13. Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss 14. Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive 15. Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin 16. Lewis Ranieri 17. Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products 18. Chuck Prince, former Citi boss 19. Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial 20. Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch
21. Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss 22. Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee 23. Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister 24. The American public
25. John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07 26. Andrew Lahde 27. John Paulson, hedge fund boss 28. Professor Nouriel Roubini 29. Warren Buffett, billionaire investor 30. George Soros, speculator 31. Stephen Eismann, hedge fund manager 32. Meredith Whitney, Oppenheimer Securities
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/2...
The bankruptcy barons
27 January 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/bb9fax
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/2...
Was Clinton, Carter, Obama, Frank and Dodd on that list? How about the millions who took out loans they couldn't afford and had no skin in their mortgages? So they could walk away with impunity?

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179222 Nov 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Your own post proves that BOTH parties do not represent "We The People".
Too big to fail will happen again.
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Government Bailouts: A U.S. Tradition Dating to Hamilton
SEPTEMBER 20, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/ygk788s
The bubble pops. Lenders freeze. Depositors lose faith. Panic spreads. And the government steps in because nobody else will.
Today it is Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke putting together the rescue package for a financial system rocked by falling home prices and a wave of defaults on subprime mortgages.
But a short walk through U.S. history demonstrates the point made by Alex J. Pollock of the American Enterprise Institute: "If you would like an empirical law of government behavior, it is that in a panic or threatened financial collapse, governments intervene -- every government, every party, every country, every time."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221866620360...
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The Big Takeover / The Socialist Bailout of Wall Street
The global economic crisis isn't about money - it's about power. How Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution
Mar 22, 2009 / http://tinyurl.com/mblrxrs
It's over — we're officially, royally fucked. No empire can survive being rendered a permanent laughingstock, which is what happened as of a few weeks ago, when the buffoons who have been running things in this country finally went one step too far. It happened when Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was forced to admit that he was once again going to have to stuff billions of taxpayer dollars into a dying insurance giant called AIG, itself a profound symbol of our national decline — a corporation that got rich insuring the concrete and steel of American industry in the country's heyday, only to destroy itself chasing phantom fortunes at the Wall Street card tables, like a dissolute nobleman gambling away the family estate in the waning days of the British Empire.
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/03/22-...
I was against the bailout, let them fail I said. No one listened to me however.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179223 Nov 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
The Dirty Dozen
Meet the bankers and brokers responsible for the financial crisis - and the officials who let them get away with it / Mar 25, 2009 /
The Enabler ALAN GREENSPAN / The Pioneer SANDY WEILL
The Ideologue PHIL GRAMM / The Arsonist JOE CASSANO
The Bagman ROBERT RUBIN / The Card Shark JIMMY CAYNE / Mr. Buck Passer CHRISTOPHER COX / The Predator ANGELO MOZILO / The Decorator JOHN THAIN / The Maestro HENRY PAULSON / The Big Loser DICK FULD / Mr. Too Big KEN LEWIS /
https://umdrive.memphis.edu/rblanton/public/P...
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John McCain’s friend Fred Dalton Thompson : enabled S & L crisis of '80s
Please spread the word....this is not the type of man we want as President.
In 1975, Thompson began his eighteen year engagement as a lobbyist in Washington, D.C., eventually representing clients including Westinghouse, General Electric (the current corporate owner of the NBC Universal-NBC television network), Westinghouse used to own CBS TV and the Tennessee Savings and Loan League
By 1982, Thompson worked the U.S. Congress membership as a lobbyist for passage of the Savings and Loan deregulation legislation desired by the Tennessee Savings and Loan League --- in this case, federal deregulation legislation allowing for additional government support of ailing S&Ls; giving U.S. thrifts the freedom to invest in potentially more profitable, but riskier, ventures; and eliminating interest-rate ceilings on new accounts to increase S&Ls' competitiveness.
Enacted into law during in September 1982, the Senate bill pushed by Thompson was incorporated into the Garn - St Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982.
The Garn - St Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 is widely credited with having laid the groundwork for the U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s
The savings and loans crashes of the 1980s, themselves directly the result of Reagan’s deregulation of the banking industry, is more interesting because of how it reflects the rapacious nature of unbridled capitalism than of Neil Bush himself. Who by the way, is now embroiled in another scam with his latest venture, educational software, Ignite
(turnover $20 million, much of it from educational subsidies obtained in the state of Florida ,where,‘coincidentally’ of course, his bro Jeb Bush, was governor).
I don't absolve any of these miscreants, however without government[dem] meddling, government coercion and the CRA, none of it would have happened.

Why would lending institutions loan money to people who have bad credit, crap jobs, no down payment?

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179224 Nov 12, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
And Frank weighs in with absolutely nothing. As always
not really, he had good points imo.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179225 Nov 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
All your posts are birther posts.
Translation- you got nothing
The Americans are talking, perhaps you should get lost, jockstrap. Start a thread on that fat drunken druggie mayor.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179226 Nov 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
For the most part Republicans are gangsters and Democrats are racketeers who do not represent 99% of all Americans.
Our tax code is over 76,000 pages because both corrupt parties use it to benefit their corporate donors.
==========
Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich- and Cheat Everyone Else
http://tinyurl.com/3ptn5qm / May 18, 2004
One of the country's top investigative reporters reveals how the richest people within the top 1 percent of the country has rigged the tax code and other laws in its favor.
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter David Cay Johnston has been breaking pieces of this story on the front page of The New York Times for nine years, work for which one business school professor calls him ěthe de facto chief tax enforcement officer of the United Statesî. With Perfectly Legal, he puts the whole shocking narrative together in a way that will stir up media attention and make readers angry about the state of our country. And he has sound advice on what to do.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/181339-1
---------
Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense /(And Stick You with the Bill)
January 18, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/2yequa
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston joins us to talk about his new book,“Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill).” Johnston reveals how government subsidies and new regulations have quietly funneled money from the poor and the middle class to the rich and politically connected.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lu...
actually i believe the republicans try to represent me the best they can. I don't expect them to pass laws giving me money I don't deserve or need. They try to get out of my way and let me be whenever they can.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179227 Nov 12, 2013
ActuaIIy wrote:
<quoted text>
source?
common sense. do you have some delusions about who is going to ay for those who pay nothing? A fairy? A money tree? a rich uncle?

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179228 Nov 12, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
Did you see in the news that Oklahoma Sen. Inhofe's son has died in a plane crash near Tulsa.
It appears that he was the pilot. And by the looks of the wreckage, not a very good one.
That's what happens when you mix arrogance with serious business.
loose
Why you being mean? A man died, a man you don't know. Reports say the engine failed.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179229 Nov 12, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
We believe that Inhofe, The Younger, had his head so high in the clouds that when he got himself into a mid-flight emergency and lost an engine, he paniced and cork-screwed his aireplane right into terra firma.
Those hot-dog pilots put everyone at risk every time they go up.
loose
yur an idiot, a mean one at that. Go suck a coconut.

“no one told me”

Since: Dec 07

Denver

#179230 Nov 12, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
Did we invade Syria yet?
It seems that Republicants love whining about things that have not happened.
If your healthcare provider made you switch plans because of the new law, blame them. The University of Chicago released a study a while back that showed that 90 of insurance plans cover less than what the new law demands. They will charge some people more in order to do that. If you don't like it, too bad. The President ran for re-election based on that program. He won. get over it. It is his mandate.
the new law is stupid, spanky, I don't need birth control and maternity benefits and neither does my wife.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179231 Nov 12, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And the pathetic Dufus does not comprehend that the child born of aliens in the US (not the child of foreign diplomats) is completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the moment of birth.
100%. It's US law.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! It is well known that children born in the US of alien parents acquire the citizenship of their father's nation of origin, this is well proven by Mr. Howard with his comments on the Citizenship Clause.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
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Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#179232 Nov 12, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Irrelevant!!! The Constitution says who will be citizens of the US, those that are only subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.
Too bad Dufus Dale doesn't understand what that means.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179233 Nov 12, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad Dufus Dale doesn't understand what that means.
LMAO!!! It is too bad you keep forgetting that the Constitution has complete jurisdiction over this Republic. You might also try to understand who the Constitution was written for.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179234 Nov 12, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale fantasizes that Kent redefined common law as civil law, even though he recognized the distinction throughout his career.
And Dufus Dale fantasizes that a quote from a chapter on the Law of Nations is pertinent to the common law as understood by Kent as it pertained to citizenship? What is in Dale's Kool-Aid?
Hey Dale, how about reading from the pertinent chapter?
OF ALIENS AND NATIVES
"Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction of the United States." "Allegiance accrued to the state in which he was born."
And BTW, Dale, Kent understood jurisdiction according to its standard definition, not the Play Law definition. Duh!
"It was admitted that this claim of the state to the allegiance of all persons born within its territories" (That means Dufus, if you're within the territories of the sovereign (king or government), you are under the jurisdiction, thereof. Duh!)
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"James Kent was a U.S. attorney, judge, and scholar who played a central role in adapting the Common Law of England into the common law of the United States."
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Civil law and common law are quite distinct.
What a f'cking moron.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! I accomplished exactly what I set out to do! The Law of Nations (by Vattel) did have an input into our Constitution or was Ken a liar.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#179235 Nov 13, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
<quoted text>EVERYTHING the dems and Obumbles have proposed is to redistribute wealth, that's all they're interested in domestically. Name something they've done otherwise that repubs oppose.

Higher taxes,less freedom, more giveaways.
More nonsense. Your myopic ignorance is not my problem
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#179236 Nov 13, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
<quoted text>There is no couple of trillion in corporate welfare, you've been misled and are confused, I'll be happy to educate you. For your information virtually every lib on here[besides you, so far] is a coward, they refuse to discuss anything.

The tax imbalance I see is millions who pay NO federal taxes, yet receive checks from the treasury. The rich pay a very large proportion of the taxes already, so do the middle class.

Back to your spurious claim corps. receive trillions in welfare.

1. no tax dollars are given to corps. or the "rich". What happens is tax breaks and tax credits, put into law by both parties.

2. the massive stacks of federal laws on the books concern exactly that, 90% are tax issues[breaks, credits] that have been put into law.

3.

Manipulating who pays what is the main concern of all members of congress. Of both parties.

4. welfare/charity to the poor is actual dollars taken from taxpayers, put in the treasury and then handed out to the poor.

Hopefully this has been useful to you.
Your ignorance is not my problem. If you wish to paste volumes of ignorance I suggest you strike up an exchange with another poster.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#179237 Nov 13, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
<quoted text>What taxpayer funds were wasted on those 40 votes? How much was spent by chief executive Obumbles keeping people out of outside national monuments? That was pure spite, pettiness, vindictiveness towards the American people.

Do we need federal employees to see the Washinton Monument?
More ignorance. Just scroll on past
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#179238 Nov 13, 2013
dont snow me wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pro choice.
Did you avoid the question? Seems so

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