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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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#179270 Nov 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Muslim's believe that innocent people who are caught up in a fight will go to heaven so they do not see it as a bad thing. They value system is not the same as ours. "
Answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric
Re: "Do Christians bomb each other's churches?"
Answer: Yes, in the 30-years war---and, of course, in the US South during the Civil Rights Movement.
When was the Thirty-years war? Over 350 years ago! How about during the Northern Ireland conflict between the Catholics and Protestants? NOT ONE CHURCH WAS TARGETED!!! The Catholics and Protestant targeted each other Pubs which were the centers of LOCAL politics.
Now, how many churches were bombed in our South do to the civil rights issues? Yes there were some but it was still very uncommon and it does not even close to what is happening between the Shia and Sunni Muslims.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179271 Nov 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>And illiterate birfoon cannot understand the ambassador's child exception to the just soli rule which Howard was aware of and clearly agreed with.
Good morning Little Knob-polisher!! Howard understood very well who would be citizens of the US.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

WhiteCollarCrime

West Sayville, NY

#179272 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care who owns Reuters or how Conservative or Liberal the owner is. Reuters leans left and the only reason why you do not accept that is because you are further left than they are so to you they appear to conservative.
I am only Conservative on the size of government and fiscal issues but I am a moderate on religious and social issues but to you I am a loony-righty!
Libertarians are ultra-fiscal conservatives and ultra-small government but extremely Liberal on social and religious issues.
12 years of Reagan and Daddy Bush increased the size of government with the greatest deficits in history.

Reagan did not use his veto power.

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Increases in the National Debt / http://tinyurl.com/cywk2h
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9jbG-c2Ned4/SYHmbGR...

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HEADLINES THAT YOU NEVER READ IN THE REPUBLICAN/FOREIGN-OWNED U.S. MEDIA:/ http://tinyurl.com/5mq65x
President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $100 Billion in one year!

President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $200 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $300 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $400 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $500 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion AGAIN! Almost hits $600 Billion!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a THIRD time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FOURTH time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FIFTH time!

"Our National Debt is up Three Trillion Dollars under George W. Bush!" / http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
WhiteCollarCrime

West Sayville, NY

#179273 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Do you know what a "Sherman's necktie" was? On Sherman's march from Atlanta to the Sea, they destroyed rail lines. They would rip up the tracks, stack the ties and set then on fire with the rails on top and when the rails got hot enough they would bend. The only way to straighten them was to send them back to a foundry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroying_...
Compared to what Muslims do, it was very mild. But to this day Southerners cuss Gen. Sherman.
Is that a picture of you at the tracks?
WhiteCollarCrime

West Sayville, NY

#179274 Nov 13, 2013
Gerald Celente: Cyprus, The Canary in The Mine


The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush
The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.
by Joseph E. Stiglitz / December 2007 / http://tinyurl.com/22j48m
When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#179275 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning Little Knob-polisher!! Howard understood very well who would be citizens of the US.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
That's right. The only persons born in the USA who are foreigners, are the children of foreign diplomats.

Everyone else born in the USA is a Natural Born US citizen.

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179276 Nov 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Sure loser, we had a two citizen parent rule but nobody knew it for over 200 years until Dufus came along.
Twinkie!! You know as well as I, two citizen parents insure there will be no foreign influence to the office of Commander-in-Chief. Hell, there goes that Law of Nations, again!!!

[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...[6]
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179277 Nov 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Except for the US which is not an independent nation because, according to Dufus, US citizenship law is subservient to British citizenship law.
Moronic.
Callus-lips!!! Subservient! No, just particular as to who we make citizens, that foreign influence is a nation killer.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179278 Nov 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe, but there is no evidence that it affected the Natural Born Citizen clause. If the writers of the US Constitution had used Vattel and not the common law (which, duh, was common, well known) for the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO---and they didn't (and, in fact, they did not mention Vattel in the Federalist Papers at all).
And we have the examples of Tucker and Rawle who knew the members of the Constitutional convention and who used Natural Born Citizen the way that it was used in the common law:
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
LMAO!!! Minor v. Happersett, plainly stated what law was use in the citizenship process.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179279 Nov 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Every person in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the USA. Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders is a Natural Born US Citizen.
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT)
"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other.“Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297... )
"Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)
More reading on the subject:
http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...
http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...
LMAO!!!

[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...[6]

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179280 Nov 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right. The only persons born in the USA who are foreigners, are the children of foreign diplomats.
Everyone else born in the USA is a Natural Born US citizen.
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
LMAO!!! That comma got you, again!!!
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#179281 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Callus-lips!!! Subservient! No, just particular as to who we make citizens, that foreign influence is a nation killer.
Looks like Dufus got the new "play ground word of the day for 2nd graders" calendar
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179282 Nov 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe, but there is no evidence that it affected the Natural Born Citizen clause. If the writers of the US Constitution had used Vattel and not the common law (which, duh, was common, well known) for the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO---and they didn't (and, in fact, they did not mention Vattel in the Federalist Papers at all).
LMAO!!!

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.(Federalist Papers #68)

Just look at what you democrats put into the White House, a Communist alien! You people and your cabal are trying to destroy this Republic for something that is not attainable (Utopia).
If it's Utopia you want, you missed the boat, "Heaven's Gate" personnel have already left the building.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179283 Nov 13, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Dufus got the new "play ground word of the day for 2nd graders" calendar
LMAO!!! Top of the morning to you, "Toothless Wonder".

Since: Feb 11

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#179284 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
No I did not!
Sure you did.
The contractor had to hire anther Instructor pilot and terminate the one who could not get into an Army aircraft.
So what? That seems prudent and hardly represents waste.
And YOU have personal information on military contracts? Or is it what information you have received came from George Soros approved sources?
Yes.

No need.
And from what I understand about Nisour Square is typical Muslim tactics, They surround themselves with innocent people when they attack hoping some innocent people will be killed.
So, you understand typical Muslim tactics, huh? When were you in sand land?

For the record I am here currently.
Why do you think Muslims bomb each others mosques?
Oh, do tell! This should be funny.

Why did God fearing southerners bomb and pillage black churches in the United States?
Do Christians bomb each other's churches? Not to the extent that Muslims do.
That was funny. You asked a question and then provided evidence that they do and did just that.
Muslim's believe that innocent people who are caught up in a fight will go to heaven so they do not see it as a bad thing. They value system is not the same as ours.
Try English next time.

Oh, is that so? A man who provides a medical choice that is legal is gunned down in his church. Another is murdered while he washes dishes in his kitchen sink. Health care facilities are bombed and women tormented with histrionics as they enter and exit said facility. That is true Christianity, huh?

Since: Feb 11

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#179285 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
How many bad guys were involved in the ambush? We don't know but we do know that three were killed. It was the bad guys who put innocent people in harms way and the prosecution of the Blackwater people was based solely on POLITICS!!!
Bad guys? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice put us there.
Just like the Geo. Zimmerman case. Politic and not law.
Apples and oranges.
Blackwater Baghdad shootings
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The FBI investigation found that, of the 17 Iraqis killed by the guards, at least 14 were without cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Baghd...
You just proved my point.

Since: Feb 11

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#179286 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, do you know that during WWII we bombed an orphanage in Germany? It was right next to a military target but back them we did not have munitions that were as accurate as they are today.
By the way, the 1957 movie 'Battle Hymn' was based on that incident in which 37 orphans were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_%28f...
It is too early for you to be drunk.

Please try to have a logical assertion in your next post.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#179287 Nov 13, 2013
This is what a Muslim usurper and fraud wanted to happen!
MEDICAID FOR AL-QAEDA? Obamacare Flaw Allows Anyone on Earth to Fraudulently Enroll Through Healthcare.gov
Obama's easing of the non-citizen Medicaid enrollment process opens up Medicaid to being overwhelmed by fraud. This problem is compounded by the Navigator/Assister program being on the "honor system," and the scores of troubling Navigators/Assisters appearing on Healthcare.gov .(Also today, James O'Keefe reveals the inevitable results of this situation with an undercover sting operation.)
wojar

Mesa, AZ

#179288 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Twinkie!! You know as well as I, two citizen parents insure there will be no foreign influence to the office of Commander-in-Chief. Hell, there goes that Law of Nations, again!!!
[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...[6]
Persons born in the US owe allegiance to the US unless children of foreign diplomats. Been that way since day 1 of the republic.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Sure loser, we had a two citizen parent rule but nobody knew it for over 200 years until Dufus came along.
wojar

Mesa, AZ

#179289 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! That comma got you, again!!!
Pathetic irony as Dufus doesn't comprehend the sentence. Does Dufus ever wonder why no one after ratification of the 14th understood the comma according to Play Law English?

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