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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#179256 Nov 13, 2013
Jacques,
I will not grieve for the Inhofe's of the world no matter what, when or how.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#179257 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, only because Russia pulled the carpet from under Obama's feet!!!
Bwahahahahahahahaha! It is called diplomacy. I realize that you never worked on station but getting others to do your heavy lifting is exactly what that entails.
Blame who? The Insurance companies? WHY, because nuns do not need pregnancy care or child dental care?
ObamaCare is a bad law!!!
Not according to those who had none and can now obtain it.

Nuns? Fine, if you want to discuss people who comprise a sliver of the nation's population, go for it. I can counter with millions who were precluded from healthcare coverage due to genetic predisposition or a pre-existing condition. You choose to protect nuns and I demand that those with cancer, cardiac issues, hereditary diseases and anomalies have health care coverage.

I had a relative who was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. MS is a brutal disease - it wastes the body and resources. When her husband's health care limits were reached, she was cast aside - her family forced to pay for the next eight years of her life. The couple were forced to sell their home and move in with one of their children because they could not pay mortgage and tax bills. She died and left him broke and broken hearted.

Your answer is to whine. I choose to care.

For the record, I have not yet seen a credible news story involving nuns being forced to accept such coverage. Still, my insurance plan covers eye care even though I have 20/15 vision. Just because it is there doesn't mean I am required to use it.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179258 Nov 13, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
I will not grieve for the Inhofe's of the world no matter what, when or how.
Nobody's asking you to grieve, but why are you dancing on his grave? Was he a criminal?

As to feathering the prop, you're right, you don't know aviation. Maybe Rogue can answer you, I can't. But the guy was not only a licenced twin-engine pilot, he was a flight instructor. Do you know for a fact that he did not effect feathering, or that he tried and failed as the engine spooled or something, maybe?

The way you talk about this guy getting his "just desserts", one would think he was Hitler's son or something. And you're an ER doctor? I guess, if he had lived and brought to your ER, you would've skirted your Hippocratic Oath and refused to tend to him. Bravo.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Phoenix, AZ

#179259 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>
Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship.
Except for the US which is not an independent nation because, according to Dufus, US citizenship law is subservient to British citizenship law.

Moronic.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#179260 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again talking about something you know little about. I have worked for the DoD CO (Contracting Officer) and I know there is constant arbitration as things change in small unexpected reasons.
As a nephew, I can attest to tremendous waste during the most recent conflicts. One that grated on all of us involved MWRs and the many variations of same. To the uninitiated, these are places where we could go to get a meal, take a decent shower, contact loved ones, watch TV or a movie, play a game or just get away from the chaos that controlled our lives. When personnel entered the facility, the vendor was supposed to charge one fee. Instead, they charged multiple fees for the same personnel. Say Corporal Smith wanted some chow, cha-ching. He left that unit and decided to call home, cha ching. A friend told him that he could find a couple Lazy Boys and a movie in the next unit so he heads there, cha ching. What should have been one fee becomes three. Halibiurton owned these vendors. The GAO finally uncovered the theft years and billions later.
I remember when a civilian contracted Instructor pilot crashed an aircraft and was found to have a BAC of about 0.12 (he's drunk). The Army could not fire him and the contractor would not, so the Army did the next best thing and said he could not fly any Army aircraft. What good is an instructor pilot who was not allowed to get into a U.S. Army aircraft? The Army made their point!!!
You just confounded your argument. The contractor was not allowed to work but was paid - sadly, that happens every day in America. From sports stars to teachers, being stupid is often ignored due to the law. With your example, he was prevented from costing the nation more. His salary is a rule of law though.

The Green Zone in Iraq was the wild west. Contractors acted like they were above reproach and often were. A guy would be fired from Acme and turn up at Wiley soon after. The contracts agreed to were pretty iron clad. Pay or we go away was the mantra. It took Nisour Square to get Congress to wake up. Morality clauses now exist in every agreement.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#179262 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! I accomplished exactly what I set out to do! The Law of Nations (by Vattel) did have an input into our Constitution or was Ken a liar.
Maybe, but there is no evidence that it affected the Natural Born Citizen clause. If the writers of the US Constitution had used Vattel and not the common law (which, duh, was common, well known) for the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO---and they didn't (and, in fact, they did not mention Vattel in the Federalist Papers at all).

And we have the examples of Tucker and Rawle who knew the members of the Constitutional convention and who used Natural Born Citizen the way that it was used in the common law:

"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)

"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#179263 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Irrelevant!!! The Constitution says who will be citizens of the US, those that are only subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.
Every person in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the USA. Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats and enemy invaders is a Natural Born US Citizen.

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”

“Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”— Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT)

"Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other.“Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning."---The Wall Street Journal ( http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297... )

"Every child born in the United States is a natural-born United States citizen except for the children of diplomats.”---Senator Lindsay Graham (December 11, 2008 letter to constituents)

More reading on the subject:

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179264 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 95 wrote:
I remember when a civilian contracted Instructor pilot crashed an aircraft and was found to have a BAC of about 0.12 (he's drunk). The Army could not fire him and the contractor would not, so the Army did the next best thing and said he could not fly any Army aircraft. What good is an instructor pilot who was not allowed to get into a U.S. Army aircraft? The Army made their point!!!
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You just confounded your argument. The contractor was not allowed to work but was paid - sadly, that happens every day in America. From sports stars to teachers, being stupid is often ignored due to the law. With your example, he was prevented from costing the nation more. His salary is a rule of law though.
The Green Zone in Iraq was the wild west. Contractors acted like they were above reproach and often were. A guy would be fired from Acme and turn up at Wiley soon after. The contracts agreed to were pretty iron clad. Pay or we go away was the mantra. It took Nisour Square to get Congress to wake up. Morality clauses now exist in every agreement.
No I did not! The contractor had to hire anther Instructor pilot and terminate the one who could not get into an Army aircraft.
And YOU have personal information on military contracts? Or is it what information you have received came from George Soros approved sources?
And from what I understand about Nisour Square is typical Muslim tactics, They surround themselves with innocent people when they attack hoping some innocent people will be killed.
Why do you think Muslims bomb each others mosques? Do Christians bomb each other's churches? Not to the extent that Muslims do.
Muslim's believe that innocent people who are caught up in a fight will go to heaven so they do not see it as a bad thing. They value system is not the same as ours.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179265 Nov 13, 2013
How many bad guys were involved in the ambush? We don't know but we do know that three were killed. It was the bad guys who put innocent people in harms way and the prosecution of the Blackwater people was based solely on POLITICS!!!
Just like the Geo. Zimmerman case. Politic and not law.

Blackwater Baghdad shootings
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The FBI investigation found that, of the 17 Iraqis killed by the guards, at least 14 were without cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Baghd...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179266 Nov 13, 2013
Oh, do you know that during WWII we bombed an orphanage in Germany? It was right next to a military target but back them we did not have munitions that were as accurate as they are today.
By the way, the 1957 movie 'Battle Hymn' was based on that incident in which 37 orphans were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hymn_%28f...
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#179267 Nov 13, 2013
Re: "Muslim's believe that innocent people who are caught up in a fight will go to heaven so they do not see it as a bad thing. They value system is not the same as ours. "

Answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric

Re: "Do Christians bomb each other's churches?"

Answer: Yes, in the 30-years war---and, of course, in the US South during the Civil Rights Movement.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179268 Nov 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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I reflected yesterday, and many times before, how you do not read, and when rarely you do, you do not comprehend what it is you read. And your post (above) is the perfect example of that. I've said at least 5 times that Reuters is Canadian-owned by the Thompson family, the richest in Canada and conservative. I've said that Reuters leans centre-right, NOT NEUTRAL as you maintain I said. I added that although centre-right, Reuters reports the news pretty much as is, though giving slightly greater prominence to centre-right successes.
As to Clinton and Feinstein, if I may add her, saying Obama should do the right thing, well, Rogue, you are so used to Republican party discipline (ALL repub congressmen AND senators UNANIMOUSLY voting against Obamacare...yeah, suuure, give us a break) that you think Clinton and Feinstein cannot admonish the president to do the "right thing" and still be in step with him on mostly everything else. Live and learn, Rogue.
BTW, this unfortunate 5% problem means Obama kept 95% of his promise - though he intended 100%. Know any president who delivered better than 95% of a promise?
I don't care who owns Reuters or how Conservative or Liberal the owner is. Reuters leans left and the only reason why you do not accept that is because you are further left than they are so to you they appear to conservative.
I am only Conservative on the size of government and fiscal issues but I am a moderate on religious and social issues but to you I am a loony-righty!
Libertarians are ultra-fiscal conservatives and ultra-small government but extremely Liberal on social and religious issues.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179269 Nov 13, 2013
Do you know what a "Sherman's necktie" was? On Sherman's march from Atlanta to the Sea, they destroyed rail lines. They would rip up the tracks, stack the ties and set then on fire with the rails on top and when the rails got hot enough they would bend. The only way to straighten them was to send them back to a foundry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroying_...
Compared to what Muslims do, it was very mild. But to this day Southerners cuss Gen. Sherman.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#179270 Nov 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Muslim's believe that innocent people who are caught up in a fight will go to heaven so they do not see it as a bad thing. They value system is not the same as ours. "
Answer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnaud_Amalric
Re: "Do Christians bomb each other's churches?"
Answer: Yes, in the 30-years war---and, of course, in the US South during the Civil Rights Movement.
When was the Thirty-years war? Over 350 years ago! How about during the Northern Ireland conflict between the Catholics and Protestants? NOT ONE CHURCH WAS TARGETED!!! The Catholics and Protestant targeted each other Pubs which were the centers of LOCAL politics.
Now, how many churches were bombed in our South do to the civil rights issues? Yes there were some but it was still very uncommon and it does not even close to what is happening between the Shia and Sunni Muslims.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179271 Nov 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>And illiterate birfoon cannot understand the ambassador's child exception to the just soli rule which Howard was aware of and clearly agreed with.
Good morning Little Knob-polisher!! Howard understood very well who would be citizens of the US.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

WhiteCollarCrime

Edison, NJ

#179272 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care who owns Reuters or how Conservative or Liberal the owner is. Reuters leans left and the only reason why you do not accept that is because you are further left than they are so to you they appear to conservative.
I am only Conservative on the size of government and fiscal issues but I am a moderate on religious and social issues but to you I am a loony-righty!
Libertarians are ultra-fiscal conservatives and ultra-small government but extremely Liberal on social and religious issues.
12 years of Reagan and Daddy Bush increased the size of government with the greatest deficits in history.

Reagan did not use his veto power.

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Increases in the National Debt / http://tinyurl.com/cywk2h
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9jbG-c2Ned4/SYHmbGR...

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HEADLINES THAT YOU NEVER READ IN THE REPUBLICAN/FOREIGN-OWNED U.S. MEDIA:/ http://tinyurl.com/5mq65x
President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $100 Billion in one year!

President Ronald Reagan is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $200 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $300 Billion in one year!

President George H.W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $400 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush is the first President to increase the National Debt by more than $500 Billion in one year!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion AGAIN! Almost hits $600 Billion!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a THIRD time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FOURTH time!

President George W. Bush has increased the National Debt by more than $500 Billion a FIFTH time!

"Our National Debt is up Three Trillion Dollars under George W. Bush!" / http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
WhiteCollarCrime

Edison, NJ

#179273 Nov 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Do you know what a "Sherman's necktie" was? On Sherman's march from Atlanta to the Sea, they destroyed rail lines. They would rip up the tracks, stack the ties and set then on fire with the rails on top and when the rails got hot enough they would bend. The only way to straighten them was to send them back to a foundry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroying_...
Compared to what Muslims do, it was very mild. But to this day Southerners cuss Gen. Sherman.
Is that a picture of you at the tracks?
WhiteCollarCrime

Edison, NJ

#179274 Nov 13, 2013
Gerald Celente: Cyprus, The Canary in The Mine


The Economic Consequences of Mr. Bush
The next president will have to deal with yet another crippling legacy of George W. Bush: the economy. A Nobel laureate, Joseph E. Stiglitz, sees a generation-long struggle to recoup.
by Joseph E. Stiglitz / December 2007 / http://tinyurl.com/22j48m
When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2...
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#179275 Nov 13, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning Little Knob-polisher!! Howard understood very well who would be citizens of the US.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
That's right. The only persons born in the USA who are foreigners, are the children of foreign diplomats.

Everyone else born in the USA is a Natural Born US citizen.

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179276 Nov 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Sure loser, we had a two citizen parent rule but nobody knew it for over 200 years until Dufus came along.
Twinkie!! You know as well as I, two citizen parents insure there will be no foreign influence to the office of Commander-in-Chief. Hell, there goes that Law of Nations, again!!!

[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...[6]

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