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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Dale

Wichita, KS

#179140 Nov 12, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Giving up on defending his blathering on the self contradictory assertion that Vattel's rule is common law, Dufus goes into an Irwin Corey impersonation.
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LMAO!!! Oh, this is from your favorite person about the Law of Nations.

Document 11

James Kent, Commentaries 1:1--4, 15--19, 171--76
1826
When the United States ceased to be a part of the British empire, and assumed the character of an independent nation, they became subject to that system of rules which reason, morality, and custom had established among the civilized nations of Europe, as their public law.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#179141 Nov 12, 2013
Jacques,
We believe that Inhofe, The Younger, had his head so high in the clouds that when he got himself into a mid-flight emergency and lost an engine, he paniced and cork-screwed his aireplane right into terra firma.
Those hot-dog pilots put everyone at risk every time they go up.
loose

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#179142 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Trent Lott, Ronald Reagan and Republican Racism
Dec. 14, 2002 / http://tinyurl.com/d9w75
Southern Strategy: The race question has haunted Reagan and the GOP for decades
The same could be said, of course, about such Republican heroes as, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon or George Bush the elder, all of whom used coded racial messages to lure disaffected blue collar and Southern white voters away from the Democrats. Yet it's with Reagan, who set a standard for exploiting white anger and resentment rarely seen since George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door, that the Republican's selective memory about its race-baiting habit really stands out.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,859 ...
No tears for Reagan
June 8, 2004 / http://tinyurl.com/558r6l
Excuse me if I don’t shed any tears over the passing of former President Ronald Reagan. While the news of the 40th president’s death brought on a flood of sentimentality over the nation’s media this past weekend, I could not help but recall what the Reagan presidency really meant for Black Americans. Similar to what occurred upon the death of Richard Nixon, amnesia has set upon journalists as they recall Reagan’s era; choosing to indulge in idol worship rather than serious reflection on the former president’s policies.
http://www.blackamericatoday.com/article.cfm ...
h<quoted text>
It is really sad that you can not see your own racism. Republicans do not show preferences based on race and you interpret that as racism when in fact ANY racial set-asides is a form of racism.
ROUGE just called me a racist.

Followed it up with, and I quote....

"Republicans do not show preferences based on race."

I would go on to obliterate another "rougefact" but it seems the stargate is closing and I must get back to reality.

I won't encourage others to spike this one into his facial area ... the chevrons are locking... I must get back to Earth.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179143 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Let's get off the primate jokes. It is soooo sophomoric.
But then you maybe a Libtard plant who want us birthers to look like racists!
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When do you see a white politician in a black church? When a Democrat is trying to get elected/reelected!
But to you people like Al KKK Gore Sr. and Robert KKK Byrd were not racists!
To you 'cracker' and 'honkie' are not racist terms because they are used against white people and you think it is impossible for a 'minority' person to be a racist!
Kill the Crackers, Kill them all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DDb2byj74oYXX
Robert Byrd was a KKK member. Robert Byrd relented, changed his tune;

Al Gore Sr voted against the civil rights bill - later also changed his tuned thanks no doubt in part to his son Al jr's influence. Why are you constantly trying to taint Al sr onto Al jr?

Also, you've accused me often enough , and others,(well, you did 2 days ago as a matter of fact) of mentioning GWB at every turn, even though he's been away 5 years now. Please explain :

1. Your coming back to Al Gore sr., that was, what, 50 years ago?;

2. Robert Byrd when he was a KKK member - that was what, 60 years ago or more?

3. Jimmy Carter, when he was president. That was what, 32.8 years ago?

4. Bill Clinton when he was president. That was what, 13 years ago?

And so you harp about "libtards" (Rogue tm reg'd) harking back to GWB's less-than-perfect presidency? Really?
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179144 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Oh course it will happen again. In 2008 there were TEN large banks that controlled over half of the banking capital in the U.S. and now there are just SIX!!! If they were to big to fail in 2008, what are they now??? Don't blame Bush because this was done by ..... Obama!!!
What planet have you been living on these past 30 years?

The Too Big To Fail started with Bill Clinton and all the Newt Gingrich Rightwingers.

Naturally Fox News Propaganda Channel and the Lame Stream Media will never tell you that!

BUT I WILL!

Do you really think CNN will say that after they just hired Newt "Corporate" Gingrich?

LOL

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Blind Faith: How Deregulation and Enron's Influence Over Government Looted Billions from Americans
Sen. Gramm, White House Must Be Investigated for Role in Enron's Fraud of Consumers and Shareholders
December 2001 / http://tinyurl.com/385znq
The combination of unregulated state wholesale electricity markets and federal deregulation of commodity exchanges has removed accountability and transparency from the energy sector, allowing corporations to manipulate price and supply of electricity and natural gas through the exercise of significant market power. California's recent energy crisis and Enron's bankruptcy would have been impossible under a regulated system.

Enron developed mutually beneficial relationships with federal regulators and lawmakers to support policies that significantly curtailed government oversight of their operations.

Enron's business model was built entirely on the premise that it could make more money speculating on electricity contracts than it could by actually producing electricity at a power plant. Central to Enron's strategy of turning electricity into a speculative commodity was removing government oversight of its trading practices and exploiting market deficiencies to allow it to manipulate prices and supply.

Dr. Wendy Gramm, in her capacity as chairwoman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), exempted Enron's trading of futures contracts in response to a request for such an action by Enron in 1992. At the time, Enron was a significant source of campaign financing for Wendy Gramm's husband, U.S. Senator Phil Gramm.
http://www.citizen.org/cmep/energy_enviro_nuc...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179145 Nov 12, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
We believe that Inhofe, The Younger, had his head so high in the clouds that when he got himself into a mid-flight emergency and lost an engine, he paniced and cork-screwed his aireplane right into terra firma.
Those hot-dog pilots put everyone at risk every time they go up.
loose
Why do you hate this person so much? Why do you so enjoy picturing his panic-stricken bad flying moves, why do you relish imagining ever vessel, organ, bone, nerve in his body shattered as his plane hit the ground? Why do you, as a doctor (it's what you are, no?) take such pleasure in invoking someone who just killed himself in a terrible plane crash as Rogue cruelly does with JFJ jr?. What the hell's the matter with you?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#179146 Nov 12, 2013
wojar wrote:
And Dale reverts back to his "every nation is sovereign but the US where citizenship is governed by foreign law" fantasy.
LMAO!!! Good try, but no cigar!!
As a sovereign nation we made the decision as to who would be citizens of the US, they are those born/naturalized here and subject only to the jurisdiction, thereof.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#179147 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummm, for the Individual Mandate to work ObamaCare has to enroll SEVEN million people by the end of March 2014 and that ends up to average 39,000 people per day and yet less than 50,000 have done so so far!?! Obama has to be able to pull more than a rabbit out of his pants!!!
What do you mean by "the individual mandate to work"?

I have no idea what that means. And I am not trying to be a smartass... I simply don't understand what you are attempting to communicate.

If what you are implying is that healthcare will fail if only 5.5 million people sign up by March 31st... I can assure you that is not the case.

Maybe that isn't what you meant...
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179148 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Where did you get the idea that just ONE Senator could do all of that? Congress was Controlled by the Democrats back then!!! Oh, why did the court award the S&Ls a half billion dollars in damages?
You have never heard the term 'Revolving Door'?

Politics 101: Listen Up!

Cheney was in government all of his life.

Then, became the CEO of Halliburton and then back to government as Vice President of the USA.

This is called Conflict of Interest IMO.

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DON’T BAIL OUT WALL STREET CROOKS
Sen. Bernie Sanders, Robert Scheer and Dean Baker on the Proposed $700 Billion Bailout of Wall Street, the Largest Government Bailout of Private Industry in US History / September 22, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/3j789r
It’s being described as the largest government intervention in private markets since the Great Depression. The Bush administration has asked Congress to swiftly approve a massive $700 billion package to rescue the crippled financial institutions on Wall Street. Some analysts say the final cost to taxpayers could top one trillion dollars. Over the weekend, the size of the proposed bailout grew as the Bush administration said foreign banks, including Barclays and UBS, should be eligible for the bailout.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/sen_ber...

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BAD MONEY: RECKLESS FINANCE, FAILED POLITICS, AND THE GLOBAL CRISIS OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM
September 19, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4lkyle
BILL MOYERS: If you read only one book on the route to this financial meltdown, I recommend this one: BAD MONEY: RECKLESS FINANCE, FAILED POLITICS, AND THE GLOBAL CRISIS OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM. The author, Kevin Phillips, has a history of being way ahead of the curve. As a young man working for Richard Nixon, he wrote THE EMERGING REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, a book that uncannily predicted how the GOP would regain power in Washington. Kevin Phillips saw our current crisis coming a long time ago. And in one book of historical insight after another, laid out the clues he was tracking. As recently as last spring in the AMERICAN PROSPECT magazine, Phillips wrote that what he thought was about to happen would be "unusual and potentially tragic."
In the preface of his book, he has written that these things usually come to fruition in August and September. And sure enough, here we are coping in September with the effects of bad money. Kevin, it's good to see you again.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09192008/wa...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179149 Nov 12, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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What do you mean by "the individual mandate to work"?
I have no idea what that means. And I am not trying to be a smartass... I simply don't understand what you are attempting to communicate.
If what you are implying is that healthcare will fail if only 5.5 million people sign up by March 31st... I can assure you that is not the case.
Maybe that isn't what you meant...
We've asked Rogue for sources on this. Surprise : No reply. Soon, he'll : a) tell us to find it ourselves or, b) state that he's already provided proof. Either way, he wins. Rogue ALWAYS wins. Rogue always THINKS he wins, as to him, 0-210 court judgements ridiculizing challenge to Obama's BC elegibility are 210 wins. Why ? Easy. Birther logic. Every judge was : 1) a communist, 2) a socialist, 3) a democrat, 4) a progressive.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#179150 Nov 12, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
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General Abizaid: We Can Live with a Nuclear Iran
September 17, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/3xvs7p
ABC News' Jonathan Karl Reports: In contrast to U.S. officials who have consistently called a nuclear Iran unthinkable, former CENTCOM commander John Abizaid told reporters Monday that he believes the United States could live with a nuclear Iran.
"There are ways to live with a nuclear Iran," Abizaid said. "I believe we have the power to deter Iran if they go nuclear" he said, just as we deterred the Soviet Union and China. "Iran is not a suicidal nation. Nuclear deterrence would work with Iran."
Even so, Abizaid said the U.S. keep up the pressure to try to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons because that would lead to further nuclear proliferation in the region. Asked if bombing Iran would be an option, he said, "We should not preclude any option" but: "War would be devastating to everyone, and we should avoid it to every extent we can."
Abizaid's comments came in response to questions following a news-less speech to the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/...
No one can live with a nuclear Iran.

No nukes for non-secular nations. There isn't a need to expand on that sentence at all...ever.

Nuclear weapons are here. The only major force in the world that doesn't have em? Japan. The only nation that has experienced what they do.(Those were only atom bombs, nuclear bombs are way nastier) They aren't going away.

Iran is what the muslims want to be the epicenter of an Islamic nation. Islam rules their government. Islam defined by those who will be in power. These people have a burning desire for it all to be over. They would bring on their fabled "apocalypse" like it was their job.

So that whole "mutual destruction" defense can be thrown out the window. They think that is what is supposed to happen. They are warped serfs of a twisted, old testament god.

Israel certainly can't afford a nuclear Iran. These are the same people who look into Israel's television cameras talking about streets flowing with the blood of the Jews. They are fucking insane.

And I don't want to hear any "religion of peace" or "god is love" crap either. The people who are peaceful are never the people in charge. Devout people with nuclear weapons are a direct threat to the continued survival of mankind.

I don't care what percentage of which country is delusional. I care when the people making decisions wouldn't mind meeting their "maker". I mind when they look forward to the end, and are joyfully willing to make that decision for everyone.

Lunatics.
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179151 Nov 12, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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The whole point of the negotiations with Iran on its nuclear intentions is to keep the Ayatollahs from acquiring nuclear weapons. Do you see anything wrong with that? And the whole international community is in on those negotiations. It's not a Chamberlain thing, as Iran has not invaded anyone yet, far as I know. As a matter of fact, which country has Iran invaded in the last 1000 years? Like Rogue, you prefer that Iran continue its nuclear warheads development. Israel is NOT going to be nuked by Iran. Its leaders are strong on dying for Islam except...when it comes to them. Any strike on Tel Aviv would result in a total annihilation of Iran by Israel which, in case you don't know, has over 100 nuclear warheads. And, just like Iran, they don't even need unmanned missiles to launch them, being so close. A nice Mig 29 or F-16 will do just fine, thank you.
As to me being safe from nuclear strikes, well, no one is. Not Israel nor any other country. ICBMs have seen to that.
Absolutely true.

Israel has the capability to administer over 300 hundred nukes by land, sea and air.

As we speak there are many Nuclear Submarines by many other countries lurking around worldwide.

No country is safe.

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Saudi Arabia working on secret nuclear program with Pakistan help - report
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/25...

AFX News Limited
Saudi Arabia working on secret nuclear program with Pakistan help - report
03.28.2006, 08:47 PM

BERLIN (AFX)- Saudi Arabia is working secretly on a nuclear program, with help from Pakistani experts, the German magazine Cicero reported in its latest edition, citing Western security sources.

It says that during the Haj pilgrimages to Mecca in 2003 through 2005, Pakistani scientists posed as pilgrims to come to Saudi Arabia.

Between October 2004 and January 2005, some of them slipped off from pilgrimages, sometimes for up to three weeks, the report quoted German security expert Udo Ulfkotte as saying.

According to Western security services, the magazine added, Saudi scientists have been working since the mid-1990s in Pakistan, a nuclear power since 1998.

Cicero, which will appear on newsstands tomorrow, also quoted a US military analyst, John Pike, as saying that Saudi bar codes can be found on half of Pakistan's nuclear weapons 'because it is Saudi Arabia which ultimately co-financed the Pakistani atomic nuclear program.'

The magazine also said satellite images indicate that Saudi Arabia has set up a program in Al-Sulaiyil, south of Riyadh, a secret underground city and dozens of underground silos for missiles. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2006/03/28/af...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/25...
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179152 Nov 12, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
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ROUGE just called me a racist.
Followed it up with, and I quote....
"Republicans do not show preferences based on race."
I would go on to obliterate another "rougefact" but it seems the stargate is closing and I must get back to reality.
I won't encourage others to spike this one into his facial area ... the chevrons are locking... I must get back to Earth.
You are above my pay grade with the chevron speak, but I wonder who are the real racist and un-American people living here inside the United States.

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The Palins’ un-American activities
Imagine if the Obamas had hooked up with a violently anti-American group in league with the government of Iran./ http://tinyurl.com/3rdlhk
Oct. 7, 2008 |“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”
This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.
Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year.(“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members.“And God bless you.”)
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/...

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Palin Supporters' Strange World
http://tinyurl.com/53h7ot
http://fr.youtube.com/watch...

Mom, Why Do You Want Me to Go to Iraq?
http://tinyurl.com/437pnn
http://fr.youtube.com/watch...

The Sidewalk to Nowhere, McCain Supporters in Bethlehem, PA
http://tinyurl.com/4dexd9
http://fr.youtube.com/watch...

Tell McCain to End the Politics of Hate
http://tinyurl.com/3g7zmj
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179153 Nov 12, 2013
Pakistani Nuclear Warheads, Weapon Devices
21st August 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/l3b24m9
Pakistan, very rapidly, established its own uranium enrichment capability and was, reportedly, able to produce highly-enriched uranium by 1986. This progress was so rapid that international suspicion was raised as to whether it had had outside assistance. It was reported that Chinese technicians had been at the facility in the early 1980s, but suspicions soon fell on Dr. A.Q. Khan's activities at URENCO. In 1983, he was sentenced in absentia to four years in prison by an Amsterdam court for attempted espionage, although the sentence was later overturned on appeal on a legal technicality. Dr. A.Q. Khan rejected any suggestion that Pakistan had illicitly acquired nuclear expertise: "All the research work [at Kahuta] was the result of our innovation and struggle," he told a group of Pakistani librarians in 1990. "We did not receive any technical know-how from abroad, but we cannot reject the use of books, magazines, and research papers in this connection."
In 1987, a British newspaper reported that Dr. A.Q. Khan had openly confirmed Pakistan's acquisition of a nuclear weapons capability. It was after western agencies realized the scale of the developmet that all formal aid to Pakistan was suspended in the early 1990s. It was quoted as confirming that the U.S. intelligence report "about our possessing the [nuclear] bomb is correct and so is speculation of some foreign newspapers" and criticised Pakistan's detractors, who had "told the U.S. that Pakistan could never produce the [nuclear] bomb and they now know we have done it." Dr. A.Q. Khan's statement was, subsequently, disavowed by the Government of Pakistan and Dr. A.Q. Khan, himself, initially, denied giving it, although, he, later, retracted his denial. The Pakistani newspaper Dawn reported in October 1991 that Dr. A.Q. Khan repeated his claim at a dinner meeting of businessmen and industrialists in Karachi, which "sent a wave of jubilation" through the audience.
http://hindustan.org/forum/archive/index.php/...
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179154 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh Jacqueau, there are reports that Saudi Arabia is trying to acquire nukes from Pakistan! WHY? Because they know Obama will NOT protect them!!!
BBC Reported last week that there was a Pakistan/Saudi Arabia deal in the works but this source says .... maybe not. But Pakistan needs money and Saudi Arabia has plenty of that and money talks!!!
Analysts: Pakistan Unlikely To Transfer Nuclear Weapons, Know-how to Saudis
Nov. 11, 2013 - 02:48PM | By USMAN ANSARI
ISLAMABAD — Contrary to a Nov. 6 report by the BBC, analysts here do not believe Pakistan has an agreement to supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons.
Citing a range of named and unnamed sources, the report, by Mark Urban, the diplomatic and defense editor for the BBC’s flagship “Newsnight” program, claimed Saudi Arabia could acquire nuclear weapons from Pakistan if Iran obtained a nuclear capability.
A spokesman for Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the report was “entirely baseless and mischievous,” and that “Pakistan’s nuclear program is purely for its own legitimate self-defense.”
He highlighted Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s US visit in October where “President Obama reiterated his confidence in Pakistan’s commitment and dedication to nuclear security and recognized that Pakistan is fully engaged with the international community on nuclear safety and security issues.”
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20131111/D...
The CIA provided a stream of accurate reports to the Reagan / Bush administration that Pakistan’s Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan was making nuclear weapons-grade uranium throughout the 1980’s. Reagan / Bush did absolutely nothing to stop it because Pakistani ISI was helping Usama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and Taliban to oust the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The Russians wanted to control Afghanistan for future oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea Oil and Gas Region.

Now fast forward to October 2001, CIA questioned two senior Pakistani scientists Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and Chaudry Abdul Majid and they said Pro-Taliban feelings extend beyond the Pakistani Army, the ISI, it is right into Pakistan’s nuclear-weapons laboratories. Dr. A.Q. Khan confessed that he helped with the Pakistani government assistance, to sell nuclear technology to Libya, North Korea, Iran, and Malaysia. These Pakistani nuclear scientists have close ties to radical Islamic terrorists groups.

George “Ignorant Iraqi Oil” Bush did not do anything about Pakistan’s government selling nuclear technology to Libya, North Korea, Iran, and Malaysia. The CIA had 100% proof of this and George “Incompetent” Bush came out publicly with the truth on October 16, 2002, only 5 days after the Congress voted for Military Force against Iraq. Ignorant Bush also sold F-16 aircraft to Pakistan.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179155 Nov 12, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
No one can live with a nuclear Iran.
No nukes for non-secular nations. There isn't a need to expand on that sentence at all...ever.
Nuclear weapons are here. The only major force in the world that doesn't have em? Japan. The only nation that has experienced what they do.(Those were only atom bombs, nuclear bombs are way nastier) They aren't going away.
Iran is what the muslims want to be the epicenter of an Islamic nation. Islam rules their government. Islam defined by those who will be in power. These people have a burning desire for it all to be over. They would bring on their fabled "apocalypse" like it was their job.
So that whole "mutual destruction" defense can be thrown out the window. They think that is what is supposed to happen. They are warped serfs of a twisted, old testament god.
Israel certainly can't afford a nuclear Iran. These are the same people who look into Israel's television cameras talking about streets flowing with the blood of the Jews. They are fucking insane.
And I don't want to hear any "religion of peace" or "god is love" crap either. The people who are peaceful are never the people in charge. Devout people with nuclear weapons are a direct threat to the continued survival of mankind.
I don't care what percentage of which country is delusional. I care when the people making decisions wouldn't mind meeting their "maker". I mind when they look forward to the end, and are joyfully willing to make that decision for everyone.
Lunatics.
And thus the reason for pursuing talks with Iran. Beats the alternative, to wit, not talking.

If there are talks and they nonetheless secretely continue pushing their nuclear programme, OR, if there are no talks and they just continue their nuclear arms programme, what's the difference? Therefore, what is there to lose by holding talks? Who knows, we may buy 5, 10 years at which time the regime may have softened. Let the talks continue.
Socialismnow org

Farmington, CT

#179156 Nov 12, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
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The CIA provided a stream of accurate reports to the Reagan / Bush administration that Pakistan’s Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan was making nuclear weapons-grade uranium throughout the 1980’s. Reagan / Bush did absolutely nothing to stop it because Pakistani ISI was helping Usama bin Laden, al Qaeda, and Taliban to oust the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The Russians wanted to control Afghanistan for future oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea Oil and Gas Region.
Now fast forward to October 2001, CIA questioned two senior Pakistani scientists Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood and Chaudry Abdul Majid and they said Pro-Taliban feelings extend beyond the Pakistani Army, the ISI, it is right into Pakistan’s nuclear-weapons laboratories. Dr. A.Q. Khan confessed that he helped with the Pakistani government assistance, to sell nuclear technology to Libya, North Korea, Iran, and Malaysia. These Pakistani nuclear scientists have close ties to radical Islamic terrorists groups.
George “Ignorant Iraqi Oil” Bush did not do anything about Pakistan’s government selling nuclear technology to Libya, North Korea, Iran, and Malaysia. The CIA had 100% proof of this and George “Incompetent” Bush came out publicly with the truth on October 16, 2002, only 5 days after the Congress voted for Military Force against Iraq. Ignorant Bush also sold F-16 aircraft to Pakistan.
Misguided much?
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179157 Nov 12, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
No one can live with a nuclear Iran.
No nukes for non-secular nations. There isn't a need to expand on that sentence at all...ever.
Nuclear weapons are here. The only major force in the world that doesn't have em? Japan. The only nation that has experienced what they do.(Those were only atom bombs, nuclear bombs are way nastier) They aren't going away.
Iran is what the muslims want to be the epicenter of an Islamic nation. Islam rules their government. Islam defined by those who will be in power. These people have a burning desire for it all to be over. They would bring on their fabled "apocalypse" like it was their job.
So that whole "mutual destruction" defense can be thrown out the window. They think that is what is supposed to happen. They are warped serfs of a twisted, old testament god.
Israel certainly can't afford a nuclear Iran. These are the same people who look into Israel's television cameras talking about streets flowing with the blood of the Jews. They are fucking insane.
And I don't want to hear any "religion of peace" or "god is love" crap either. The people who are peaceful are never the people in charge. Devout people with nuclear weapons are a direct threat to the continued survival of mankind.
I don't care what percentage of which country is delusional. I care when the people making decisions wouldn't mind meeting their "maker". I mind when they look forward to the end, and are joyfully willing to make that decision for everyone.
Lunatics.
George W. Bush is someone who believes his polices opened the door for the Armageddon to take place sooner rather than later.

Rumsfeld even had bible verses written on bombs.

The Arab Spring was a direct result when Bush invaded Iraq.

The Japanese scientist can put together a Nuclear Bomb very quickly ( IN DAYS )even though they do not have one.

The NUKE Genie has been out of the bottle for many years and there is very little anyone can do about it.

Make no mistake scrutiny, the Ayatollahs in Iran and the Kings of Saudi Arabia along with Dumbya Bush have set the stage for Armageddon.

The Saudis want regime change in Syria because Iraq made Iran much stronger when the Shiites took over Iraq.

The Sunni/Shia thing is very strong and both hate Gods chosen people the Hebrews.

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Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins"
http://tinyurl.com/p5ktmv / 25 May 2009
Bush explained to French Pres. Chirac that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Mid-East and must be defeated.
The revelation this month in GQ Magazine that Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary embellished top-secret wartime memos with quotations from the Bible prompts a question. Why did he believe he could influence President Bush by that means?
The answer may lie in an alarming story about George Bush's Christian millenarian beliefs that has yet to come to light.
In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated. http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/42966

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#179158 Nov 12, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh Jacqueau, there are reports that Saudi Arabia is trying to acquire nukes from Pakistan! WHY? Because they know Obama will NOT protect them!!!
BBC Reported last week that there was a Pakistan/Saudi Arabia deal in the works but this source says .... maybe not. But Pakistan needs money and Saudi Arabia has plenty of that and money talks!!!
Analysts: Pakistan Unlikely To Transfer Nuclear Weapons, Know-how to Saudis
Nov. 11, 2013 - 02:48PM | By USMAN ANSARI
ISLAMABAD — Contrary to a Nov. 6 report by the BBC, analysts here do not believe Pakistan has an agreement to supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear weapons.
Citing a range of named and unnamed sources, the report, by Mark Urban, the diplomatic and defense editor for the BBC’s flagship “Newsnight” program, claimed Saudi Arabia could acquire nuclear weapons from Pakistan if Iran obtained a nuclear capability.
A spokesman for Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the report was “entirely baseless and mischievous,” and that “Pakistan’s nuclear program is purely for its own legitimate self-defense.”
He highlighted Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s US visit in October where “President Obama reiterated his confidence in Pakistan’s commitment and dedication to nuclear security and recognized that Pakistan is fully engaged with the international community on nuclear safety and security issues.”
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20131111/D...
Saudi Arabia, nukes, no protection from the U.S.? Are you totally out of your senses again?

Won't protect it ? What about bowing to Saudi Arabia and getting involved in the Gulf War? They were next. How about again bowing to S. Arabia and invading Kuwait? Won't protect it? Come again6

And is Saudi Arabia not the faithful ally that continues to funnel funds to Al Qaeda and the Taliban? Is Saudi Arabia not the trusted ally that had SIXTEEN (16) out of EIGHTEEN (18) terrorists on board those 4 jets on 9/11 and 2 days after blackmailed GWB into letting hundreds of Saudis fly out of the U.S. even though there was a total interdiction on flying?

You're going to bat for those people, the very same people who are using YOUR dollars to finance terrorists and to acquire nuclear weapons which, and don't kid yourself, is a regime much more Islamist and extremist than Iran. Women can drive in Iran, women don't have to hide themselves from head to toe in Iran, etc.

Wake up and smell the turnips, Rogue.
Democracynow org

Brooklyn, NY

#179159 Nov 12, 2013
Socialismnow org wrote:
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Misguided much?
What I have forgotten, you have not even learned yet!

LOL

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God told me to invade, says Bush
LONDON October 7, 2005
US PRESIDENT George Bush has said that he was instructed by God to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new BBC series.
The claim comes from the first meeting between the US leader, the Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (also known as Abu Mazen), and his then foreign minister in June 2003./ http://tinyurl.com/b4zdw
The ministers say that Mr Bush also revealed to them that he had been told by God to create a Palestinian state.
Former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath, now the Information Minister, describes the meeting with the US leader, in the BBC2 program, Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs.
He says: "President Bush said to all of us:'I'm driven with a mission from God'.
"God would tell me,'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did, and then God would tell me,'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq ...' And I did.
"And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me,'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'.
"And by God I'm gonna do it."
Mr Abbas, who was also at the meeting in the Egyptian resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, recounts how the President told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation.
"So I will get you a Palestinian state."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/iraq/god-told-m...

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Bush: God told me to invade Iraq
President 'revealed reasons for war in private meeting'
07 October 2005 / http://tinyurl.com/b5tkd
President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.
The President made the assertion during his first meeting with Palestinian leaders in June 2003, according to a BBC series which will be broadcast this month.
In the programme Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me,'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me,'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
And "now again", Mr Bush is quoted as telling the two, "I feel God's words coming to me:'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God, I'm gonna do it."
Mr Abbas remembers how the US President told him he had a "moral and religious obligation" to act. The White House has refused to comment on what it terms a private conversation. But the BBC account is anything but implausible, given how throughout his presidency Mr Bush, a born-again Christian, has never hidden the importance of his faith.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressrelease...

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