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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#178434 Nov 7, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! I will pose the same question to you as I did Ellen.
The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are (*foreigners, aliens), who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.
*Now how do you explain that *foreigners and aliens can be born in the US.
Now for you comments on the English Common Law, where was it used in Howards above statement?
Ok, Dale.

I am going to show you why you are wrong... then I am putting it to bed. The whole argument is moot. Obama is here and will not depart till 2016.

The comma isn't nearly important as the phrase "...in my opinion".

The supreme court disagreed with his opinion.

Again, this was a speech. Not law. And LAW is all that matters in this whole spun out attempt to change reality.

1889 Wong Kim Ark is the LAW.

Born here = Citizenship And that is all there is. As posted in #178318.

LAW from 1889 trumps a speech from 1866 every time.

It doesn't matter who is subject to what and where comma's land in an old speech.

Maybe, someday... the Supreme Court will change it's mind. But that day is not today. And until that day comes...

Ark is the law. All else is bullshit.

I would be happy to discuss whether we think it is wrong or not. However, I don't see much of a point. There are lots of laws that individuals think are wrong or unfair.

What I won't do is pretend that a speech trumps SCOTUS. That is where we venture into play law. And the only thing I like less than play law, is play science.

I won't waste my time. However, I do think that you dug as hard as you could for something...anything that would make Obama's presidency seem illegitimate. And you did a better job than I could have. That was as obscure as it gets.

Well done.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#178435 Nov 7, 2013
American Lady wrote:
Thank The FOUNDING Fathers ...
but a natural born citizen ...
is NOT Obama and neither is Cruz ...
Common sense has to enter into the conversation, somewhere, and at some point ...
CUZ
When the founders WROTE the constitution THEY were concerned about *loyalty and ALLEGIANCE* to the Constitutional Republic as WE should be today.
The very IDEA that all you need to hold the highest office in the land and FREE WORLD
is to be BORN here in the US ...
[will qualify 'anyone' to hold it]
is borderline 'mentally retarded'...
IGNORANT if not *treasonous* to
EVEN THINK
such an idea would work ...
I am no attorney...
BUT
I did sleep @ a Holiday Inn last night :)
BTW
There are lots of "IGNORANT VOTERS"
who DID just that!
-n-
LQQk what kind of SHAPE
the communist CIRCUS
of
A~M~E~R~I~C~A
is IN
TODAY!
Divided NOT United!
yay !!!
The Divided States of America
The communist CIRCUS of America ...
Thanks to obama :)
SOoooo since obama "did it"
So can CRUZ!
Let the 'rule of law'
go OUT the Window ...
ALL libTARDS have!
CORRUPTocracy
-n-
THUGocracy
RULES!
ain't you libTARDS
P~R~O~U~D!!!!!!!!!
Well argued.

And here is my counter...

Couldn't agree more about loyalty and allegiance. However, There is no "litmus test" for these qualities. Being born here, or having one or both parents born here does not guarantee loyalty or allegiance.

You took my list of people who were not born of two US parents and said that if they were citizens at the time of the adoption of the Constitution they were eligible for Presidency.

""""SEE THIS:
... or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the ******Adoption of this Constitution""" "

The problem is... that your entire argument's fulcrum is that they WERE NOT CITIZENS to begin with.

Someone born in the US to TWO foreigners (according to you guys) is not a citizen.(no true allegiance and all that jazz)

Now if they are NOT a citizen at the time the Constitution was adopted. Then nothing changed.

Yet Andrew Jackson became president.

I have to admit... I am exhausted and maybe I am missing something you are saying, or maybe I am mistaken that you and Dale are in agreement.

But would you not agree that Ark 1889 is the current law defining who is and is not a citizen of the US?

Even if you disagree with it.

To be honest, I lean a bit more to your side being that there should be assurance of loyalty. I just don't think assurance can be found in where you or your parents were born. In addition, I don't think it can be absolute... which is the ideal we would imagine for the leader of the free world.

...if any of that makes sense.

I have been awake over 30 hrs and it took me three tries to spell foreigners... so I am obviously not operating on all cylinders.

Off to slip into a mild coma...

Be well.
Obskeptic

Novi, MI

#178436 Nov 7, 2013
Owl Gore wrote:
What they did not mention was the plaque has been there for 23 years and someone just noticed it! Probably because Republicans are banned from campus.
Abe Lincoln Is A Democrat, According To A Plaque On NIU's Campus That Actually Isn't Wrong
The Huffington Post | By Tyler Kingkad: 11/06/2013
There's a plaque on the campus of Northeastern Illinois University that refers to Abraham Lincoln as a Democrat.
Recently, a few websites noticed a plaque on the Frank Lloyd Wright Building, which houses Northeastern's Carruthers Center for Inner City Studies, that reads "This building is dedicated to public service honoring the memory of Abraham Lincoln - Democrat."
One could argue about how Honest Abe would more likely be in the Democratic party today, rather than the GOP. But that's only speculative, and the fact is Lincoln was the first Republican president of the United States.
But NIU isn't actually saying Lincoln belonged to the Democratic party.
The university explains that it's not meant to refer to any political affiliation:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/abe-...
Actually there is no such thing as the democratic party. There is a democrat party. I suppose you also think we are a democracy in the form of government our founding fathers passed on to all of us.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178437 Nov 7, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually there is no such thing as the democratic party. There is a democrat party. I suppose you also think we are a democracy in the form of government our founding fathers passed on to all of us.
Sorry to burst your poor bubble, but :

Democratic Party (United States)

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Democratic Party

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Chairperson
Debbie Wasserman Schultz (FL)

President of the United States
Barack Obama (President)(IL)

Senate Leader
Joe Biden (President)(DE)
Patrick Leahy (President pro tempore)(VT)
Harry Reid (Majority Leader)(NV)
Dick Durbin (Majority Whip)(IL)

House Leader
Nancy Pelosi (Minority Leader)(CA)
Steny Hoyer (Minority Whip)(MD)

Chair of Governors Association
Peter Shumlin (VT)[1]

Founded
1828 (modern)
1792 (historical)

Headquarters
430 South Capital Street SE,
Washington, D.C., 20003

Student wing
College Democrats of America

Youth wing
Young Democrats of America

Ideology
Liberalism (American)
Internal factions:
• Progressivism
• Social Liberalism
• Centrism/Third Way
• Civil libertarianism
• Conservatism
• Labor unionism
• Christian left
• Social democracy

Colors
Blue

Seats in the Senate

53 / 100


Seats in the House

201 / 435


Governorships

20 / 50


State Upper House Seats

866 / 1,972


State Lower House Seats

2,588 / 5,411


Website

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The Democratic Party is one of the two major contemporary political parties in the United States along with the younger Republican Party. Tracing its origins back to the Democratic-Republican Party, the modern Democratic Party was founded around 1828. It is the oldest political party in the world.[2] It has elected 15 presidents. The first was Andrew Jackson, serving from 1829 to 1837; the most recent is the current president, Barack Obama, who has served since 2009.

Since the 1930s, the party has promoted a socially liberal and progressive platform,[3][4][5] and its Congressional caucus is composed of progressives, liberals, and centrists.[6] The party has the lengthiest record of continuous operation in the United States and is probably the oldest political party in the world.[7]

As of the 113th Congress, following the 2012 elections, the Democratic Party currently holds a minority of seats in the House of Representatives and a majority of seats in the United States Senate, as well as a minority of state governorships and control of a minority of state legislatures.

They are called Democrats and are part of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Why does a "foreigner" have to apprise you of that?

As to whether you have a true democracy or not, well, this is a question that must be posed in every country that labels itself a "democracy", not just yours. As to your opinion whether it is just that or not, well, if said opinion is as screwed-up as your post, it is of no value what is so ever.

Oh, you never responded concerning the missing "s" in both our monikers. Why? Not too hot at admitting life's little mistakes and false accusations, are you? I am, but you? NOT.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#178438 Nov 7, 2013
Jacques,
It is a fallacy to believe that the United States is a democracy.
It is, in point of fact, an oligarchy.

Did you kow that a couple of Richie Daley's top lieutenants were sent to prison for corruption?
loose

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#178439 Nov 7, 2013
Jacques,
I have never failed a test in my life.
And let me assure you, I have taken some real doozies. Unlike Richie Daley who failed the bar exam on multiple occasions.
loose
Therealnews com

Edison, NJ

#178440 Nov 7, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the cut in food stamps not attributable to the "going over the cliff" thing? Or is Obama personally responsible? I am perplexed - 49 million food stampers? And you gotta figure most of them are employed !
If Obama doesn't protect the robber barons, many things will happen, one, seeing him killed, or the whole edifice crumbling. What's his choice?
We are all in a bad way. As I've said, and it's not a consolation, you're not alone in that kind of predicament. Look around you, outside your borders.
You are referring to the fiscal cliff which is a manufactured crisis.

Same is true of the Sequester which benefited NASCAR & Hollywood by taking out FICA taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

Why did NASCAR and Hollywood have to get anything?

The most important question is this Jacques, and only this:

After the 1929 crash FDR implemented policies to benefit our masses of Americans.

After the 2008 crash Obama bailed out Wall Street just like Bush did and did nothing for Main Street.

The whole game is rigged in Washington DC and both selfish parties like it that way.

Why is the whole Muslim World in the Middle East protesting against their governments?

North Africa, etc. etc. etc.

Why is Europe protesting in the streets against their governments?

Spain, Italy, etc. etc. etc.

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Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 2
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Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 1
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Therealnews com

Edison, NJ

#178441 Nov 7, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
As is Ferguson Jenkins.
I never heard of him.

Thanks.
Therealnews com

Edison, NJ

#178442 Nov 7, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
I have never failed a test in my life.
And let me assure you, I have taken some real doozies. Unlike Richie Daley who failed the bar exam on multiple occasions.
loose
It is NOT uncommon to fail the Bar Exam on the first try.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#178443 Nov 7, 2013
No wonder you ghetto people do not like Rednecks.

ObamaCare by morning
Therealnews com

Edison, NJ

#178444 Nov 7, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
It is a fallacy to believe that the United States is a democracy.
It is, in point of fact, an oligarchy.
Did you kow that a couple of Richie Daley's top lieutenants were sent to prison for corruption?
loose
Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Bush
March 13, 2002 / http://tinyurl.com/ebx8
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Central...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#178445 Nov 7, 2013
On NO, say it ain't so. It is not as though he can't get any action for free!
Justin Beaver Went To A Whorehouse

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178446 Nov 7, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
No wonder you ghetto people do not like Rednecks.
ObamaCare by morning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YR3_mM4bpCYXX
Carrie Underwood is a redneck? And who the hell is Brad Paisley?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#178447 Nov 7, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Bush
March 13, 2002 / http://tinyurl.com/ebx8
http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/Central...
Two points. Iran-Contra happened over twenty years ago.
Next, as usual your links did not work.
And you should change your name to "Oldrealnews"

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#178448 Nov 7, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
P.S.: Is my biass showing ? Lol
Are your pants down and are you bent over?
Therealnews com

Edison, NJ

#178449 Nov 7, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Two points. Iran-Contra happened over twenty years ago.
Next, as usual your links did not work.
And you should change your name to "Oldrealnews"
Now your lying again.

Those links work fine.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178450 Nov 7, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
<quoted text>
I never heard of him.
Thanks.
Canadian. Hall of Famer. 251 victories. Led majors in wins 14 seasons, great hitter also. Hall of famer. Greatest Cub pitcher ever.
==========
From 1967 to 1980, Oklahoma resident Ferguson Arthur Jenkins achieved the improbable — he led Major League Baseball with the most wins (251) in that 14-season span while pitching at home mostly in hitter’s ballparks.
"During those 14 seasons, and for all my career really, I didn’t consider pitching to be work — I was having fun getting most hitters out in the major leagues," Jenkins said. "I had some great managers, such as Leo Durocher, Billy Martin and Don Zimmer. I also had some super guys around me like Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ron Santo, Randy Hundley, Carl Yastrzemski, Carlton Fisk, Jim Sundberg, Mike Hargrove and others who made it fun to play in the big leagues."
He earned induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame by pitching the only six-straight, 20-win seasons in the last 40 years. He joined the most elite company in baseball history. Since today’s pitchers start fewer games with five-man rotations, and managers depend on their bullpens more, Jenkins will likely be the last pitcher to put a six-year, 20-game win streak together.
With a fastball that moved in the strike zone and a hard slider, Jenkins was a power pitcher with incredible command— the best control strikeout artist of all time. He is the only MLB pitcher to throw more than 3,000 strikeouts (3,192) with less than 1,000 walks (997). "Jenkins was a dominant pitcher I could have caught with a pair of pliers," said Randy Hundley, his catcher for the first three of the 20-win seasons. "His location was near perfect, and he could blow his fastball by hitters, although sometimes we didn’t agree on the sign."
Learn to Read

United States

#178451 Nov 7, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Make a real post or STFU, fluff! Otay Buckamywheat?
Problems puss boi?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178452 Nov 7, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
On NO, say it ain't so. It is not as though he can't get any action for free!
Justin Beaver Went To A Whorehouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =CkVIj_RuYg4XX
Justin Beaver is an idiot, along with his handlers.
Learn to Read

United States

#178453 Nov 7, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Ernie Banks is also a great American.
Can't argue with you there. Have had the pleasure of meeting him a few times. A true gentleman and roll model in every sense of the word

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