Ok, Dale.<quoted text>LMAO!!! I will pose the same question to you as I did Ellen.
The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are (*foreigners, aliens), who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.
*Now how do you explain that *foreigners and aliens can be born in the US.
Now for you comments on the English Common Law, where was it used in Howards above statement?
I am going to show you why you are wrong... then I am putting it to bed. The whole argument is moot. Obama is here and will not depart till 2016.
The comma isn't nearly important as the phrase "...in my opinion".
The supreme court disagreed with his opinion.
Again, this was a speech. Not law. And LAW is all that matters in this whole spun out attempt to change reality.
1889 Wong Kim Ark is the LAW.
Born here = Citizenship And that is all there is. As posted in #178318.
LAW from 1889 trumps a speech from 1866 every time.
It doesn't matter who is subject to what and where comma's land in an old speech.
Maybe, someday... the Supreme Court will change it's mind. But that day is not today. And until that day comes...
Ark is the law. All else is bullshit.
I would be happy to discuss whether we think it is wrong or not. However, I don't see much of a point. There are lots of laws that individuals think are wrong or unfair.
What I won't do is pretend that a speech trumps SCOTUS. That is where we venture into play law. And the only thing I like less than play law, is play science.
I won't waste my time. However, I do think that you dug as hard as you could for something...anything that would make Obama's presidency seem illegitimate. And you did a better job than I could have. That was as obscure as it gets.