BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Regardless of dual citizenship, the ONLY children born in the USA who are subject to any nation other than the USA are the children of foreign diplomats. Other then them, ALL children born in the USA are subject to the USA and only to the USA.
LMAO!!! You better tell that to the Fuller court.

"Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship." WKA v. US, para.#34

Do children born outside the US of US fathers receive US Citizenship?
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! There you go again, showing your ignorance!
Poor Dufus. Please do let us know if anyone of any significance ever gives play law the time of day

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Jackie Mason: Obama a 'liar'
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Spot On truth!
Spot on? er, spot on? Who owns that expression?

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Truth Detector wrote:
Jackie Mason: Obama a 'liar'
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Spot On truth!
I see you are as factual as ever. Video is dated July 23, 2012 ! You really had to scour the internet for that one, didn't you? Ancient history, as is Jackie Mason. I like the guy. But his saying Obama is a liar makes it so? Comedy's his line. Someone should have told him, SIXTEEN MONTHS AGO, to stick to comedy.

Oh, btw, what happened to Romney ? And don't forget, Truth ha ha Detector, if you're not Mormon, you are an abomination.
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Poor Dufus. Please do let us know if anyone of any significance ever gives play law the time of day
LMAO!!! You really do like to show your ignorance, don't you!!! Keep it up, you do a better job than any of us.

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Regardless of dual citizenship, the ONLY children born in the USA who are subject to any nation other than the USA are the children of foreign diplomats. Other then them, ALL children born in the USA are subject to the USA and only to the USA.
You're right of course. But as an aside, and just for everyone's info in general, many nations accept as their natural born citizens children of foreign diplomats. We don't here , you don't, but many countries do.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! You really do like to show your ignorance, don't you!!! Keep it up, you do a better job than any of us.
Problems Dufus? No one buying your play law fable? Just another day of fail. You should be used to it

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This should do it.
The truth...
http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/139725/
Obama is Kenyan, possibly still Indonesian, citizenship matters not, right?
Obama is a usurper! Because of Obama's usurpation, Cruz is now a legal presidential candidate for President. Don't you agree or are you now a Birther, SHEEPLE?
Obama had only an American citizen for a Mother and that is exactly what Cruz has. What is the difference SHEEPLE!
payback will be lovely, don't you agree???
Miriam Goderich, who helped edit a 1991 booklet for Barack Obama's then-literary agency, Acton & Dystel, which erroneously stated that Obama had been born in Kenya, has issued a press release--first reported by her own client at Political Wire:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/...
That was no error, but you are a liar!
How did the alleged mistake survive repeated rewrites and NOT get corrected in 17 years???
Kenyan officials : Obama, son of the soil?

From wnd.com ?

That's the truth?

I explained African culture, lore, ancestral traditions to dumb birthers yesterday. In one ear, out the other, right? Of course he is the son of the Kenyan soil, his father was Kenyan ! So are Obama's children daughters of Kenyan soil through their forebears, as I am a son of France even though my ancestor came to Nouvelle France (Canada) in the early 18th century.

Kenyans were, are immensely proud to have this "son" of Kenya as president of the world's foremost power. They would call him just that, a son of the soil.
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Problems Dufus? No one buying your play law fable? Just another day of fail. You should be used to it
LMAO!!! Why do you post? You aren't intelligent enough to understand what you read.
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! Why do you post? You aren't intelligent enough to understand what you read.
Poor Dufus. Well I'll give you this much. You are always wrong, but at least you're consistent
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! I am very surprised you would show your ignorance on this thread again!
Yep, you are correct!! The meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" has never changed, it still means that one is not subject to any foreign power and as we all know Obama was born subject to his father's nation.
Answer: "The meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" has never changed" is correct.

And it does not mean, and has NEVER meant that a child born on US soil is subject to a foreign power EVEN if one or even two parents are citizens of foreign countries, EVEN if the child is a dual citizen at birth. With the minor exception of the children of foreign diplomats, EVERY child born on US soil is under US law subject to the USA and ONLY to the USA.

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
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<quoted text>LMAO!!! You better tell that to the Fuller court.
"Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship." WKA v. US, para.#34
Do children born outside the US of US fathers receive US Citizenship?
The answer to that is that the USA HAS determined, and it has determined that EVERY CHILD BORN ON ITS SOIL is a Natural Born US Citizen. That, as you noted, is the inherent right of every country, and we exercised that right by ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case that EVERY CHILD born on our soil is a Natural Born Citizen, and that is what Bingham things too:

“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”

And that is that ten appeals courts have ruled, and that is what Senators Hatch and Graham and former senator Fred Thompson and the Heritage Foundation book on the US Constitution say too. Your nutty theory about the meaning of jurisdiction is yours and yours alone.

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<quoted text>LMAO!!! I am very surprised you would show your ignorance on this thread again!
Yep, you are correct!! The meaning of "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" has never changed, it still means that one is not subject to any foreign power and as we all know Obama was born subject to his father's nation.
At the time of his birth in the United States, Obama's owed complete allegiance to the United States. Dual citizenship at birth does not mean dual allegiance at birth. Obama owed no allegiance to his father's country because his father's country had no jurisdiction over Obama while he resided in the United States.

Courts have long recognized that foreign nations have no jurisdiction over its citizens or subjects in the United States. "[T]he legal status of foreign nationals in the United States is determined solely by our domestic law — foreign law confers no privilege in this country that our courts are bound to recognize." Vanity Fair Mills v. T. Eaton Co., 234 F. 2d 633, 638-639 (2nd Cir. 1956). See also Rundell v. La Campagnie Generale Transatlantique, 100 Fed. 655, 660 (7th Cir. 1900)("Such laws may give rise to personal relations between the sovereign and subjects, to be enforced in his own domains; but they do not rightfully extend to other nations.”)

Moreover, United States' jurisdiction over Obama while he was residing in the United States is complete and it does not share its jurisdiction with other nations since other nations do not extend their jurisdiction within the United States. "`no sovereignty can extend its process beyond its own territorial limits, to subject other persons or property to its judicial decisions. Every exertion of authority beyond these limits is a mere nullity, and incapable of binding such persons or property in other tribunals;'" Grover & Baker Sewing Machine Co. v. Radcliffe 137 U.S. 287,296 (1890)

"In our territory, the alien is "subjected," no less completely than the citizen, to the jurisdiction of our courts (jurisdiction in the narrower sense) and to the general authority of our government (jurisdiction in the wider sense). Aliens, in the language of the common law, are temporary subjects of the state in which they sojourn; they owe the sovereign who harbors them in his domains temporary or local allegiance. The phrase "born subject to the jurisdiction" is therefore precisely equivalent to the common law expression "born under the actual obedience." — The constitution, then, invests with citizenship all persons born under the jurisdiction or obedience of the United States, without regard to the nationality of their parents or to the opposing claims of foreign states." Munroe Smith,“The Law of Nationality”( 1883) Page 948-949

As such, United States jurisdiction over Obama was exclusive and absolute at the time of his birth. "The jurisdiction of the nation within its own territory is necessarily exclusive and absolute." Schooner Exchange v. McFaddon, 11 U.S. 116, 136 (1812)
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I believe that Ford was a decent man. I thimk I recall seeing him attending church, no big deal.
FYI, I opine that they pretty much all attended church to garner votes. Doesn't make them bad guys, all's fair in love and elections.
Most all except for Phony Baloney Reagan never went to church while 8 years in the White House.

Also, never invited Daddy Bush and Barbara to a private White House dinner.

Frank Sinatra yes, the Bush's no!

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Who flip-flopped? I've always thought he's Muslim. dumbazzbastard
That simply makes you a fool.

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Ya know, your lack of any form of memory, reminds me of Path! I haven't mentioned Rev. Wright since you've been here! That's interesting, isn't it? LMAO! dumbazzbastard
Your insecurity is showing again. I have no need to use other screen names. I can make you my bitch with just this one. LOL!

By the way, what is wrong with being a Muslim?

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I love the smell of rotting gum-flappers in the morning!
Did you sleep at the homeless shelter again last night?
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Ex-CIA Official Paul Pillar Faults Use of Data on Iraq
Intelligence 'Misused' to Justify War, He Says
February 10, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/azl6w
The former CIA official who coordinated U.S. intelligence on the Middle East until last year has accused the Bush administration of "cherry-picking" intelligence on Iraq to justify a decision it had already reached to go to war, and of ignoring warnings that the country could easily fall into violence and chaos after an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Paul R Pillar's critique is one of the most severe indictments of White House actions by a former Bush official since Richard C. Clarke, a former National Security Council staff member, went public with his criticism of the administration's handling of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and its failure to deal with the terrorist threat beforehand.

It is also the first time that such a senior intelligence officer has so directly and publicly condemned the administration's handling of intelligence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

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1948 Smith-Mundt Act The 1948 Smith-Mundt Act prohibited the domestic dissemination of United States government propaganda. The reasoning behind Smith-Mundt was that Congress wanted to be certain that a United States government agency could not brainwash our own citizens as Hitler had done in Germany.

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A Spy Speaks Out
Former Top CIA Official Tyler Drumheller On "Faulty" Intelligence Claims /
http://tinyurl.com/rle4x / April 23, 2006
"The policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy."
Tyler Drumheller CIA Ret.

(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60m...

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Did you notice that Ron Paul campaigned for Cuccinelli and encouraged Libertarians to vote for him. The Libertarian candidate's poll numbers have slipped slightly and it looks like Cuccinelli has been the beneficiary.
As the Fairfax County polling stations are reporting a very light turn out so far. Fairfax is the Democrat stronghold in Virginia and if the Dems don't turn out, Cuccinelli will win!
The Washington Post states otherwise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-...

Not only is turnout strong but those who support McAuliffe are busy walking the neighborhoods and organizing rides to polling places for those who need them.

Cuccinelli will lose. America will win.

Want to place a wager on the outcome?

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Hummm, new Gallup poll. Obama's approval rating down to just 39% which means he is down to the Democrat base and has lost the Independent Voters!!!

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