BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Do you have any common sense?
If you are born there, you are a son of the soil, as in Kenya. If not, you are a son of the soil where you were born. In Obama's case that would NOT be Hawaii where there is no valid birth certificate proving that imaginary birthplace.
Holla!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/17/th...
Obama has shown both Web images and the actual physical copies to the press (with the raised state seals of Hawaii visible and able to be felt) of both the short form birth certificate (which actually is the official Hawaii birth certificate, used by thousands of people every year) and the long form birth certificate to the press. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and they have repeatedly confirmed that the facts on the copies that Obama has had put online are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1971], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

And, BTW, birther sites have not shown their readers that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961---nor have they told their readers how very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And they have not told their readers how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. And most of them have not even told their readers that WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama's father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961--so for her to have traveled abroad, she would have had to do so alone. Yet they want gullible people to just assume that she was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport, and one of the extremely few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy (early would not have been possible because she was attending college) and that she traveled alone overseas and gave birth overseas (some say in Kenya, but the Kenyan government has denied it), and that the birth certificate of Hawaii is forged, and the officials of Hawaii who have repeatedly confirmed that they sent it to Obama and that all the facts on it are accurate are lying.

Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii. Birther sites simply didn't quote her.
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<quoted text>The situation that I described was the passport records of someone who is DEAD. The privacy laws apply to those who are alive, of course.
Correct.(Certain details had to be truncated do to Topix space constraints)

Curious - do you know the history / impetus behind providing for FOIA release of passport records for deceased? I do not and wonder what was the driving force behind that Certainly not an issue I feel strongly about either way
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....And you accuse me of being upset?LOL
Obviously, you do not understand the meaning of "LMAO". That's ok sparky, we didn't expect you to. whiffle ball
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Re: "I contacted a friend of mine who worked in the ppt office here, now retired. She confirmed what I believed, namely that all ppt records are confidential and unless there is a search warrant based on criminal grounds, NO ONE , least of all the police , are allowed access to those records. I was wrong, obviously, to apply those rules to yours. "

Once again, the exception is for the dead. Living people still have the same rights of privacy.

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Ellen1 wrote:
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The situation that I described was the passport records of someone who is DEAD. The privacy laws apply to those who are alive, of course.
Thank you for that. I honestly thought we were discussing access to ANY ppt application, dead or alive. I erred on the "dead" part.

That certainly could bring a new twist to this "discussion". But I would never want to involve you in any way or take sides.

Not wishing to prolong this. Thanks again.
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Correct.(Certain details had to be truncated do to Topix space constraints)
Curious - do you know the history / impetus behind providing for FOIA release of passport records for deceased? I do not and wonder what was the driving force behind that Certainly not an issue I feel strongly about either way
No, but I can speculate that it comes from the same idea in the common law that you cannot libel the dead, since they no longer have a property right in their reputations. But that is mere speculation.

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Central Connecticut University on lockdown.
That damn state is overrun with loonies. It should be taken in by surrounding states.
loonies with guns?

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I was born a citizen.
That has nothing to do with your hatred for America. If you are unhappy, renounce your citizenship. Yes, it is a choice, fucktard.
Sure you are!
Yes, and you are welcome.
Who ends up paying for those that can't afford healthcare?
That remains the same as now - they will be covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Many of those currently on that system are there because they CANNOT PURCHASE independent coverage due to preclusions in their health.

Would you rather have a woman who had breast cancer, exhausted her individual plan and now receives federal assistance stay that way? I prefer to think that if they have the means they should pay for it themselves. You disagree.
The only stooges I've seen are liberals.
Turn on Fox and you'll see plenty of stooges. Look in your mirror for another.
Victim? Just pulling shyt out of the blue, huh? Just like Path!
Nah, I read you early on. You whine about things but never offer a logical alternative. That is what victims do.
You talk about someone else's grammar?! HaHaHa Read your own DAB post.
Unless you can illustrate a problem with my grammar, you remain my bitch.
You will pizz on my grave? LMAO! That's a good way to lose that tiny lil pecker of yours!
Fascinated with male genitalia still?

Your NAMBLA brothers would be disappointed that you are searching for adult penises. DOn't get caught.'Showering with the boys' has a whole other meaning when you go to prison again.
Been watching Zombie movies? HaHaHa!
Far busier keeping you safe. You are welcome.
You're as yellow as a canary, scumbag.
My Irish lineage keeps my skin from tanning easily but years in sand land make it more of a 'Halle Berry' color.
Make sure and stock up on all your petroleum product needs today. TIA! LMAO!
Fuel is pretty cheap here. No need to stock up.
Cha Ching, Cha Ching, Cha Ching! LMAO!!!
You're just another used condom, floating down the street gutter. LMAO!
Cha Ching? Isn't that the name of the little Asian boy that your were caught with a couple years ago. I thought you learned your lesson but apparently you are still fascinated with man-boy lovin'. I feel bad for Cha Ching.
Game Over. Please insert one dollar to try again. LMAO!
You were never in the game, son. Like life, you watch and complain from the sidelines.

Carry on.
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I'll ask the question again.
Do you have any common sense?
If you are born there, you are a son of the soil, as in Kenya. If not, you are a son of the soil where you were born. In Obama's case that would NOT be Hawaii where there is no valid birth certificate proving that imaginary birthplace.
Holla!
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/17/th...
Actually, Obama has shown both Web images and the actual physical copies to the press (with the raised state seals of Hawaii visible and able to be felt) of both the short form birth certificate (which actually is the official Hawaii birth certificate, used by thousands of people every year) and the long form birth certificate to the press.

And, the officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and they have repeatedly confirmed that the facts on the copies that Obama has had put online are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t. In 1961 Obama’s grandfather was a furniture salesman, and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank [she did not become a vice president until 1971], and his father went from Kenya to Hawaii on a free flight) and dumb enough to send their daughter at high risk of stillbirth to a foreign country to give birth—-—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE (since WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father’s name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it).

If you sincerely believe that Obama could have been born in a foreign country, then you could answer all three points. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, all three would have had to have happened.

So, the question is, what are the chances that all three happened?

And, BTW, birther sites have not shown their readers that Obama's mother even had a passport in 1961---nor have they told their readers how very very few 18-year-olds did at the time. And they have not told their readers how EXTREMELY few women traveled abroad in 1961 due to the risk of stillbirths. And most of them have not even told their readers that WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama's father stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961--so for her to have traveled abroad, she would have had to do so alone. Yet they want gullible people to just assume that she was one of the very few 18-year-olds to have a passport, and one of the extremely few women who traveled abroad late in pregnancy (early would not have been possible because she was attending college) and that she traveled alone overseas and gave birth overseas (some say in Kenya, but the Kenyan government has denied it), and that the birth certificate of Hawaii is forged, and the officials of Hawaii who have repeatedly confirmed that they sent it to Obama and that all the facts on it are accurate are lying.

Oh, and birther sites LIED when they said that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii. Birther sites simply didn't quote her.
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Have fun
I don't know about you, but I never "have fun" when I go to the Dr. This Dr. is a dermatologist, about ready to retire, unfortunately. More than fair prices, great care, at my convenience.....what's not to like? oComaCare is about to ruin the insurance companies. Why? Because the Feds want that money instead of a private corp. Simple as that. Just another attempted power grab. Just imagine the national databases that the Feds will have on all of us. They'll be able to you how often your wife rubs one out! LMAO!

This is what you want? Pervert!

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Tell us, is Medicaid health insurance? NOPE!!! It is welfare. Not only do we have to pay for our health care, we also have to pay for those Obama says is to poor to pay for their own.
No, we have been paying for them for a long time.

Learn to read.
Where is Obama going to get all of that money?
What money? When people who can afford it but can't because of health preclusions can finally obtain their own policy, they can come off Medicare. In fact, they will have to based on income.
He has already printed $3 Trillion Obama Bucks!!! Which is top of the $6 trillion he has add3ed to our National Debt! And who is going to pay for that too?
Why are you worried? You weren't when his predecessor started a trillion dollar war for no reason.
Our grandchildren will curse us but you Libtards don't care so long as you can get your free stuff now.
Yes, that war debt is insignificant, huh?
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<quoted text>No, but I can speculate that it comes from the same idea in the common law that you cannot libel the dead, since they no longer have a property right in their reputations. But that is mere speculation.
Makes sense. Thanks
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<quoted text>I don't know about you, but I never "have fun" when I go to the Dr. This Dr. is a dermatologist, about ready to retire, unfortunately. More than fair prices, great care, at my convenience.....what's not to like? oComaCare is about to ruin the insurance companies. Why? Because the Feds want that money instead of a private corp. Simple as that. Just another attempted power grab. Just imagine the national databases that the Feds will have on all of us. They'll be able to you how often your wife rubs one out! LMAO!

This is what you want? Pervert!
I thought you meant that you were leaving our thread to go to the Dr now ....

What I want? Yeah - I have no concerns about the 2,800 other invasions of my privacy by our government but they best stay clear of my health records!

(By the way - this relates to your Birfoon fable how exactly?)
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I was born a citizen.
That has nothing to do with your hatred for America. If you are unhappy, renounce your citizenship. Yes, it is a choice, fucktard.
Who said I hated America? You? Pfft!

Sure you are!
Yes, and you are welcome.
Right, G.I.Joe
Who ends up paying for those that can't afford healthcare?
That remains the same as now - they will be covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Many of those currently on that system are there because they CANNOT PURCHASE independent coverage due to preclusions in their health.
Duh!

Would you rather have a woman who had breast cancer, exhausted her individual plan and now receives federal assistance stay that way? I prefer to think that if they have the means they should pay for it themselves. You disagree.
What the hell have you been smoking? You draw asanine conclusions just like Path and Twinkerbell. Hmm.


The only stooges I've seen are liberals.
Turn on Fox and you'll see plenty of stooges. Look in your mirror for another.
Manchild talk.

Victim? Just pulling shyt out of the blue, huh? Just like Path!
Nah, I read you early on. You whine about things but never offer a logical alternative. That is what victims do.
What am I whining about G.I.Joe?

You talk about someone else's grammar?! HaHaHa Read your own DAB post.
Unless you can illustrate a problem with my grammar, you remain my bitch.
Manchild talk.

You will pizz on my grave? LMAO! That's a good way to lose that tiny lil pecker of yours!
Fascinated with male genitalia still?
Delusional are you?

Your NAMBLA brothers would be disappointed that you are searching for adult penises. DOn't get caught.'Showering with the boys' has a whole other meaning when you go to prison again.
Your farts no longer make noise, do they?

Been watching Zombie movies? HaHaHa!
Far busier keeping you safe. You are welcome.
I see that, typing your worthless azz off on Topix. How could America ever repay you?

You're as yellow as a canary, scumbag.
My Irish lineage keeps my skin from tanning easily but years in sand land make it more of a 'Halle Berry' color.
I'm so sorry!


Make sure and stock up on all your petroleum product needs today. TIA! LMAO!
Fuel is pretty cheap here. No need to stock up.
Real labels, boy!

Cha Ching, Cha Ching, Cha Ching! LMAO!!!
You're just another used condom, floating down the street gutter. LMAO!
Cha Ching? Isn't that the name of the little Asian boy that your were caught with a couple years ago. I thought you learned your lesson but apparently you are still fascinated with man-boy lovin'. I feel bad for Cha Ching.
Manchild talk.

Game Over. Please insert one dollar to try again. LMAO!
You were never in the game, son. Like life, you watch and complain from the sidelines.
As the loser walks off the field in shame.

Carry on.
I shall.
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Chauncey, right? LMAO!!!
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youtube.com/watch... …………Obama was Born in Kenyan like his Monkey Family

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Justice LRS wrote:
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I don't know about you, but I never "have fun" when I go to the Dr. This Dr. is a dermatologist, about ready to retire, unfortunately. More than fair prices, great care, at my convenience.....what's not to like? oComaCare is about to ruin the insurance companies. Why? Because the Feds want that money instead of a private corp. Simple as that. Just another attempted power grab. Just imagine the national databases that the Feds will have on all of us. They'll be able to you how often your wife rubs one out! LMAO!
This is what you want? Pervert!
Have the poor insurance companies in countries, 33 of 34 OECD ones, been ruined by gov't health care? Cry me a river, LRS-Dale. Do you know that some of the biggest insurers are German, French, British (ever heard of LLoyd's?), Italian, Swiss etc? How ruined are they?

Database? Do you have Visa, Master Card, a bank account? Forget about the Fed database, mere amateurs compared to your corporate friends who have EVERYTHING on you, not that they're not sorry they do. On you , I mean.

I would rather have the Feds have everything on me than the corporate crooks any time.

Why do you persist in arguing about a subject, well, so many subjects, you know squat about?

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youtube.com/watch?v=T9A2P7tTUt E …………Obama was Born in Kenyan like his Monkey Family
Monkey family? And YOU say he was born in Kenyan?(sic). Does that make him a Kenya? Were you born in American? Are you an America?

And no, I'm not correcting your spelling. You simply do not know any better. Bet you're one of the better-educated birthers.

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You going to vote for a real American who didn't lie about where he was born?
Are you a birther in the making?
You : "Are you a birther in the making?"

What did Jim ever do to you to deserve such an insult?
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So, let's get this straight, Ted Cruz is a 'natural born citizen' because his mother was an American. right? If a man's father is not a citizen of the United States it is immaterial. That's what you are advocating?
Okay, this thread can be officially closed now.
Barack Obama's father was never a citizen of the United States,not even for one day. Ted Cruz's father is a United States citizen who migrated to the United States before Ted Cruz was even born. Barack Obama's mother loved the United States so much that she never lived here for more than a few years as an adult. Barack Obama is the son of a Kenyan British subject who lived his informative years in Indonesia before moving in with his grandparents. How can anyone compare the Barack Obama to Ted Cruz? Ted Cruz is ten times the man Obama could ever be.

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