BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177601 Nov 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then who was in the White House from 2001 until 2009?
At least the Supreme Court ruled on the election of 2008!!!
George W. Bush was an illegitimate president.

Since: May 10

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#177602 Nov 3, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone in The United States
started OUT
with 'ancestors' from other countries.
EXCEPT for the NATIVE Americans!
D~U~H ...!!!
Even Native Americans have ancestors from outside the Americas. It all depends on how far you want to go back.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177603 Nov 3, 2013
Fox News Propaganda wrote:
<quoted text>
The Top Secret Trade Deal You Need to Know About
Secrets… The innocent lives lost in drone wars and the trade deal Washington and big business are trying to hide./ November 2, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/m2uupnw
A cornerstone of President Obama’s plan to create more American jobs is a new agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), referred to by some as “NAFTA on steroids.” While negotiations are being carried out in secret and very little about the terms has been leaked, enough is known to worry about its possible effect on trade unions and our copyright and patent laws, not to mention environmental, health and safety regulations.
This week on Moyers & Company, Bill discusses the TPP with two perceptive observers of the global economy. Yves Smith is an expert on investment banking who runs the Naked Capitalism blog, a go-to site for information and insight on the business and ethics of finance. Dean Baker is co-director of the progressive Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC.
Also on this week’s broadcast, a preview of Robert Greenwald’s new documentary, Unmanned: America’s Drone Wars. It’s release coincided with a first: victims of deadly drone attacks testified at a special briefing for members of Congress. In this week’s show we feature clips from the film, which shares testimony, stories and alarming news on the fatal impact of our drone strategy.
And a Bill Moyers’ essay on Obamacare’s rocky rollout.
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2013/11/02
Ah, but in Obama's Drone War no Americans die!!! And if you don't want to die, stay away from bad guys who are at war with America.
The idea of warfare is to let the other guy die for his country (ideology).
During WWII we killed about 70,000 French civilians, 30,000 just in the Normand area, but you do see them protesting America about it, do you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177604 Nov 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then who was in the White House from 2001 until 2009?
At least the Supreme Court ruled on the election of 2008!!!
Fox News Propaganda wrote:
<quoted text>
George W. Bush was an illegitimate president.
Ah, even Owl Gore agreed that Bush won. Get over it! You complain about us Birthers but at least your side got a Supreme Court ruling!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177605 Nov 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Of course Obama was born a citizen of his father's country, this is natural law, since his father was not a citizen of the US.
Now people should ask themselves, is Barry's last name Dunham?
Who told you that it is "natural law"? Whose version of "Natural Law" are you following. There are about a dozen different versions that contradict one another. And they recommend things that we did not adopt. For example, Vattel, who is said to be a Natural Law philosopher, recommended that every country should have a state religion and force people to join it, or make them leave the country---we certainly did not adopt that. So, what makes you think that we adopted his idea of the definition of Natural Born Citizen either?

And, duh, even your notion that Natural Law holds that you inherit citizenship from a father is WRONG. In Jewish law, it is from the MOTHER.

In the United States, the basic principle of Natural Law that we follow is this: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." Therefore, IF the writers of the US Constitution did not believe that the US-born child of foreigners was EQUAL to the US-born child of US citizens and hence not eligible to become president, THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD US, and they didn't.

And, by the way, there are quotations from legal scholars who knew the writers of the Constitution, and they both used the term Natural Born Citizen exactly the way that it was used in the common law, and in total agreement to the principle "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." And there isn't even one article or letter from any of the writers of the US Constitution that ever said that the US-born children of foreigners are not eligible to become president. Not ONE.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177606 Nov 3, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Of course Obama was born a citizen of his father's country, this is natural law, since his father was not a citizen of the US.
Now people should ask themselves, is Barry's last name Dunham?
Obama's legal last name is shown on his birth certificate, short form and long form, and it is Barack Hussein Obama II. Obama never had his name legally changed, nor was he adopted (which requires the action of a district court in Indonesia or Hawaii, and no such papers have been shown), and hence his name remains what it was on his birth certificate, Obama.

Obama has shown both Web images and the actual physical copies to the press (with the raised state seals of Hawaii visible and able to be felt) to the press of both the short form and long form birth certificates of Hawaii. The officials of Hawaii of BOTH parties have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to him, and they have repeatedly confirmed that the facts on the copies that Obama has had put online are EXACTLY the same as on what they sent to him.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177607 Nov 3, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a LYING SHEEPLE who is very STUPID!
That is what is wrong with that.
Old questions remain unanswered.
On the floor of the Kenyan National Assembly the day after Barack Obama was elected U.S. president, members of the African country’s parliament celebrated “a Kenyan ruling the USA,” calling Obama “a son of the soil of this country.” Allegedly Born in The U.S.? How can this be?
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/139725/#74tBBKbfQs...
He is a Kenyan in the sense that his father was a Kenyan. That is all.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol

And, BTW, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and all but one of them came by SHIP--and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177608 Nov 3, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
He is a Kenyan in the sense that his father was a Kenyan. That is all.
The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)
Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.
And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.
“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.
“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””
http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged
Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.
Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Oh, and there is this:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiol
And, BTW, only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and all but one of them came by SHIP--and there were no regularly scheduled ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961.
Ah, but how many came from Kenya using a passport of a different country? How many "embarked" for the last leg of their trip from another country.
You fly from Kenya to a European country and switch planes. That is the way most people get from America to Kenya this very day. No direct flights!!!

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#177609 Nov 3, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
TD ...
Even IF he 'were born' in Hawaii ...
He would still be Kenyan.
He is the offspring of a Kenyan ...
England 'ruled' the place where O Sr. was born,
and 0, in that year.
Therefore of British blood.
NOT a 'natural born citizen' of The United States.
He IS a 'natural born subject' of England.
:)
Three cheers for the public school system.

Lady, you just explained at great length and with great vigor how the founding fathers wanted only those born here to be President.

Now you are claiming that being born here isn't enough.

Do you have trouble hearing yourself speak? Or is there more than one bat in the belfry?

I will ask you to make this myth work. See if you aren't a bit brighter than your brothers and sisters here.

Here is where birther conspiracy falls apart. I will grant you Kenya, you can have it. Hell, I will grant you every devious detail of the entire conspiracy. Including that he was somehow smuggled into the U.S. as an infant... by air or boat or teleportation, it really does not matter.

Kenyan born Obama was STILL an American citizen. His mother born and raised in Kansas. He was just not naturally born.

What is the only advantage a naturally born citizen has over a regular citizen?

The ability to run for the office of President of the United States.

Hence, for the newspaper birth announcements and the baby smuggling, and the ENTIRE hypothesis to make any sense at all. His mother must have had been fully aware that her son would become President someday.

If she just wanted him in our govt. He could have been a senator. Or speaker of the house, or any other position is the US govt save President.

For there to be MOTIVE... Ann Dunham has to be a clairvoyant. And a thumping deadly accurate one at that.

And THAT Lady, is magic.

So, do you believe in magic? Or can you provide alternative motive?

I mean, I gave you everything. It still doesn't work.

You have gotta be brighter than the rest of the flock. I mean statistically it is almost impossible for you to not be.

Fix it if you can. Or explain to me how I have things wrong.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#177610 Nov 3, 2013
Let me make one thing perfectly clear for all you yo-yo's
No hanging chad lost that 2000 election for Al Gore in the backwater state of Florida.
Bill Clinton lost for Gore countrywide, fair and square.
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177611 Nov 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then who was in the White House from 2001 until 2009?
At least the Supreme Court ruled on the election of 2008!!!
<quoted text>
Ah, even Owl Gore agreed that Bush won. Get over it! You complain about us Birthers but at least your side got a Supreme Court ruling!
Simple verbiage:

Daddy Bush's friends on the Supreme Court selected his son George.

----------

Sandra Day O'Connor questions court's decision to take Bush v. Gore
April 27, 2013 / http://tinyurl.com/c9sy69e
Retired U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor hasn't given much thought to which was the most important case she helped decide during her 25 years on the bench. But she has no doubt which was the most controversial.

It was Bush v. Gore, which ended the Florida recount and decided the 2000 presidential election.

Looking back, O'Connor said, she isn't sure the high court should have taken the case.

"It took the case and decided it at a time when it was still a big election issue," O'Connor said during a talk Friday with the Tribune editorial board. "Maybe the court should have said,'We're not going to take it, goodbye.'"

The case, she said, "stirred up the public" and "gave the court a less-than-perfect reputation."

"Obviously the court did reach a decision and thought it had to reach a decision," she said. "It turned out the election authorities in Florida hadn't done a real good job there and kind of messed it up. And probably the Supreme Court added to the problem at the end of the day."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-m...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177612 Nov 3, 2013
McAuliffe was leading by 10-15 points just two weeks ago. Most likely he will still win but it will be very tight. But if Cuccinelli wins, it will be a "Big FiretrUCKING Deal" and bad news for the Libtards!

Cuccinelli casts Virginia election as referendum on Obamacare
By David Sherfinski - The Washington Times, November 2, 2013

WOODBRIDGE — Republican Kenneth T. Cuccinelli got a boost from two midwestern Republican heavyweights Saturday as he tried to spur his voters to the polls by casting Tuesday’s gubernatorial election as a referendum on President Obama’s health care overhaul.

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who grew up in Wisconsin, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker stumped for Mr. Cuccinelli Saturday afternoon after the state’s attorney general started his day in the Richmond area.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/...
Follow us:@washtimes on Twitter

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/...
Follow us:@washtimes on Twitter
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177613 Nov 3, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Three cheers for the public school system.
Lady, you just explained at great length and with great vigor how the founding fathers wanted only those born here to be President.
Now you are claiming that being born here isn't enough.
Do you have trouble hearing yourself speak? Or is there more than one bat in the belfry?
I will ask you to make this myth work. See if you aren't a bit brighter than your brothers and sisters here.
Here is where birther conspiracy falls apart. I will grant you Kenya, you can have it. Hell, I will grant you every devious detail of the entire conspiracy. Including that he was somehow smuggled into the U.S. as an infant... by air or boat or teleportation, it really does not matter.
Kenyan born Obama was STILL an American citizen. His mother born and raised in Kansas. He was just not naturally born.
What is the only advantage a naturally born citizen has over a regular citizen?
The ability to run for the office of President of the United States.
Hence, for the newspaper birth announcements and the baby smuggling, and the ENTIRE hypothesis to make any sense at all. His mother must have had been fully aware that her son would become President someday.
If she just wanted him in our govt. He could have been a senator. Or speaker of the house, or any other position is the US govt save President.
For there to be MOTIVE... Ann Dunham has to be a clairvoyant. And a thumping deadly accurate one at that.
And THAT Lady, is magic.
So, do you believe in magic? Or can you provide alternative motive?
I mean, I gave you everything. It still doesn't work.
You have gotta be brighter than the rest of the flock. I mean statistically it is almost impossible for you to not be.
Fix it if you can. Or explain to me how I have things wrong.
Justce LRS

Shreveport, LA

#177614 Nov 3, 2013
Hmmm....first it's Fox News Propaganda, then Ellen shows up and now Scruff. Me smells a rat! I mean dirty socks!
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177615 Nov 3, 2013
Justce LRS wrote:
Hmmm....first it's Fox News Propaganda, then Ellen shows up and now Scruff. Me smells a rat! I mean dirty socks!
Paranoid?
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177616 Nov 3, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Let me make one thing perfectly clear for all you yo-yo's
No hanging chad lost that 2000 election for Al Gore in the backwater state of Florida.
Bill Clinton lost for Gore countrywide, fair and square.
GORE WON !(This is the blow-by-blow version.)
http://www.janrainwater.com/htdocs/GoreWon.ht...
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177617 Nov 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
McAuliffe was leading by 10-15 points just two weeks ago. Most likely he will still win but it will be very tight. But if Cuccinelli wins, it will be a "Big FiretrUCKING Deal" and bad news for the Libtards!
Cuccinelli casts Virginia election as referendum on Obamacare
By David Sherfinski - The Washington Times, November 2, 2013
WOODBRIDGE — Republican Kenneth T. Cuccinelli got a boost from two midwestern Republican heavyweights Saturday as he tried to spur his voters to the polls by casting Tuesday’s gubernatorial election as a referendum on President Obama’s health care overhaul.
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, who grew up in Wisconsin, and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker stumped for Mr. Cuccinelli Saturday afternoon after the state’s attorney general started his day in the Richmond area.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/...
Follow us:@washtimes on Twitter
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/...
Follow us:@washtimes on Twitter
Bush Republicans Destroyed America
U.S. job losses worst since 1974 as recession bites
Dec 5, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/5lcvoq
WASHINGTON (Reuters)- U.S. employers axed payrolls by 533,000 jobs in November, the most in 34 years and far more than expected, government data on Friday showed, as the year-old recession hammered every corner of the U.S. economy.
Oil prices and the dollar weakened and U.S. Treasury bond prices rallied on the news that confirms the recession was now hitting activity across the board.
"You can't get much uglier than this. The economy has just collapsed, and has gone into a free fall," said Richard Yamarone, chief economist at Argus Research in New York.
The Labor Department said the unemployment rate rose to 6.7 percent last month to the highest reading since 1993, compared with 6.5 percent in October.
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE4...
Justce LRS

Shreveport, LA

#177618 Nov 3, 2013
Fox News Propaganda wrote:
<quoted text>
Paranoid?
No, I just love laughing at stupid socks.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177619 Nov 3, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, but how many came from Kenya using a passport of a different country? How many "embarked" for the last leg of their trip from another country.
You fly from Kenya to a European country and switch planes. That is the way most people get from America to Kenya this very day. No direct flights!!!
Re: "Ah, but how many came from Kenya using a passport of a different country? How many "embarked" for the last leg of their trip from another country."

The answer is very simple. Wait for it. The INS asked people where they had embarked from. They did not base the 21 on passports or the last stop before the person came to the USA. So, only 21 people came from Kenya---and all but one of them came by sea.

Moreover, you have not answered all or even most of the points, only your claim about the 21---which is wrong.

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, claimed that he went to Kenya and got Obama’s birth certificate at a hospital in Mombasa. But Lucas D. Smith has constantly refused to show proof that he, Smith, had ever gone to Kenya. All that he would have to do would be to show a Kenya stamp on a page of a passport, but Lucas D. Smith has refused to do that, constantly, and he has also constantly refused to say why he will not show that proof.(Moreover, his “birth certificate” uses US date formats [month/day/year] and not the day/month/year format used in Kenya.)

Laying aside for a moment the overwhelming proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, the evidence that Obama was NOT born in Kenya is also very strong. There were a grand total of 21 people who came to the USA from Kenya in 1961. Of these only seven were US citizens. And the birther myth has always been that Obama’s parents went there and returned by plane, but only one person came to the USA from Kenya in 1961 by plane and that person was, wait for it, NOT a US citizen. And Obama’s father did not go to Kenya in 1961 either (making it unlikely that his mother did, since travel late in pregnancy was rare, and even more rare without the husband going along). WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961.

And the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and found that it was not true.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

Obama has a Hawaii birth certificate that says that he was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact. It is also confirmed by the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961, which were sent to the papers only by the DOH of Hawaii.

Obama’s birth announcement appeared in a section of the newspapers called Health Bureau Statistics. As the name indicates, and as the papers and the DOH also say, ONLY the DOH of Hawaii could send birth notices to the Health Bureau Statistics section of the paper. And the DOH only sent out those notices for children that it had issued birth certificates for, and in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to register the births of children who were not born in Hawaii.
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177620 Nov 3, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Let me make one thing perfectly clear for all you yo-yo's
No hanging chad lost that 2000 election for Al Gore in the backwater state of Florida.
Bill Clinton lost for Gore countrywide, fair and square.
Democracy Counts / Al Gore Won Florida
The Media Consortium Florida Ballot Project
Dan Keating / The Washington Post / August 2002
http://www.aei.org/files/2004/06/21/20040526_...

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