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The lesser of two evil's is still evil.
If voting changed anything important, it would be illegal.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef Stalin
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At no time was the Obama Administration aware,
of what the Obama Administration was doing.

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One person writes an opinion piece published in Heritage Foundation and automatically it becomes the policy of all Republicans?
Next, the "Mass plan" has been amended at least twice with a third amendment effort cancelled because the "Mass plan" will be null and voided by PelosiCare.
By the way, how many pages were in the "Mass plan" and how many in PelosiCare? If you don't like the "Mass plan" you can move to another state but if you don't like PelosiCare you have to leave the U.S.!
Stuart Butler was paid to come up with the "Heritage Plan". The notion that butler was a rogue element within Heritage is pure BS. Republicans introduced the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act in 1993, incorporating the heritage Plan's individual mandate. Later the Massachusetts plan based on Heritage's plan was lauded by the Foundation. Again, the notion that the so-called "Heritage Plan" was one man's opinion is pure bunk. The Health Access Reform Today Act was "sponsored by John Chafee, of Rhode Island, and co-sponsored by eighteen Republicans, including Bob Dole, who was then the Senate Minority Leader." Republicans obviously were not screaming that it was unconstitutional socialism. Concerning the individual mandate at the NATIONAL level, Mitt Romney said on Meet The Press,“a number of Republicans think is a very good health-care plan—one that we support.” But today it is anathema among Republicans. That is because it has Barack Obama's name on it.

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"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef Stalin
And it seems most of the constructive vote counting is done in Liberal districts.
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got my United Arab Emirates Bio-metric Passport from john kenney and his email is pobama25@yahoo. com The Passport is Original.
Good for you. Did you use your Hawaiian birther certificate to get it?

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One person writes an opinion piece published in Heritage Foundation and automatically it becomes the policy of all Republicans?
Next, the "Mass plan" has been amended at least twice with a third amendment effort cancelled because the "Mass plan" will be null and voided by PelosiCare.
By the way, how many pages were in the "Mass plan" and how many in PelosiCare? If you don't like the "Mass plan" you can move to another state but if you don't like PelosiCare you have to leave the U.S.!
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Stuart Butler was paid to come up with the "Heritage Plan". The notion that butler was a rogue element within Heritage is pure BS. Republicans introduced the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act in 1993, incorporating the heritage Plan's individual mandate. Later the Massachusetts plan based on Heritage's plan was lauded by the Foundation. Again, the notion that the so-called "Heritage Plan" was one man's opinion is pure bunk. The Health Access Reform Today Act was "sponsored by John Chafee, of Rhode Island, and co-sponsored by eighteen Republicans, including Bob Dole, who was then the Senate Minority Leader." Republicans obviously were not screaming that it was unconstitutional socialism. Concerning the individual mandate at the NATIONAL level, Mitt Romney said on Meet The Press,“a number of Republicans think is a very good health-care plan—one that we support.” But today it is anathema among Republicans. That is because it has Barack Obama's name on it.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25...
Hummm, did you read it? It was a rebuttal to HillaryCare. And when you say "Republicans obviously were not screaming that it was unconstitutional socialism." does not mean all, or even most, Republicans agreed with it.
By the way, just how many pages was Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act? Sorry, PelosiCare is nothing like the Republican's bill.
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<quoted text>There are no "do-overs." The fact is that the RESPONSIBILITY for running the election campaign of 2000 fell on Gore's shoulders and he lost. He lost his own state, Tennessee, and he lost New Hampshire. And, you can check this out, even with losing Tennessee AND Florida, he would have won if he had simply won New Hampshire and he didn't, and New Hampshire is a swing state---so why didn't he win in Tennessee and New Hampshire?

Largely because of the Clinton-Lewinsky mess of course.

So who was responsible for Gore losing in 2000? Clinton. Could Ralph Nader have helped Gore by not running? Sure, but the fact is that Nader had his own political agenda and wanted to make his point---and that was baked into the cake.

A lesson of this MESS is that we have to think of a 50-50 election in somewhat broader terms. There actually have been state elections in which the two candidates received EXACTLY the same number of votes after a recount, and so what do they do? They flip a coin and the winner wins the election.

My suggestion is that in the future when a state's vote is within,say, one one hundredth of a percent of 50-50, it be assumed that it was tied, and the two candidates must flip a coin to determine who won. The reason of course is that re-counting and re-counting changes the actual vote. The vote is NOT determined by the ballots but by the biases (everybody has them even the people who try hard to be fair) of the people who are recounting the ballots. So, it is pretty easy to determine what the meaning of a "hanging chad" is, but it is very hard, a matter in which biases play a role, to determine what the meaning of a "dimpled chad" would be.

Situations like this are likely to occur in any elections that are within a tiny percentage of 50-50.

As for the illegal actions that kept people from voting in Florida. They were illegal, and the people involved should have been punished (they weren't), but our system does not allow votes to be given for the people who were prevented from voting. All that we can do is to try to prevent such things from happening again, and it seems to me, that there are states that are trying to make it happen again right now--purging their ballot roles and trying to make it hard for people to vote with voter-ID laws (and you notice that those laws never contain any provisions for getting poor people to the places where they can get the voter IDs---I wonder why not?).
Very well stated. Having once had someone vote using my name I have an understandably different view of voter ID - but agree that we must make sure people can get them.

I am reminded of a debate during one of the Florida recount studies after the election. It was actually proposed that - in all cases where the ballot was marked all for one party except for President we assume that the person intended to vote for that party's presidential candidate (talk about eliminating the impact of Nader and Buchanan!). Fortunately sanity prevailed in that instance

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Hey Wotard, does PelosiCare include "Medical Liability Reform" like the Republican bill did?

S.1770 -- Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993 (Placed on Calendar Senate - PCS)
Beginning
November 22, 1993
November 23, 1993

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

Sec. 1231. Amendments to the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974

SUBPART A--GENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES

Sec. 1407 Development of binding arbitration process.

SUBPART B--WAIVER OF REQUIREMENTS.

Sec. 1423. Waiver of certain medicare requirements.

Sec. 2101. Tax treatment of payments under life insurance contracts for terminally ill individuals.

Subtitle A--Medical Liability Reform

Sec. 4021. Applicability.

Sec. 4025. Practice guidelines.

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Oh, a dozen years ago the State of Texas instituted Medical Liability reform which cut health care in Texas about 10% and totally illuminated the doctor shortage!!!
What does PelosiCare do?!?

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Publish on Heritage Foundation

July 26, 2013
Ten Years of Tort Reform in Texas: A Review

By Joseph Nixon and Texas Public Policy Foundation

Abstract
Ten years of tort reform have provided greater access to health care and helped make Texas the nation’s leading job producer. Indeed, by recognizing the causal connection between economic prosperity and efficient, fair courts, the Texas legislature passed and Governor Rick Perry signed House Bill 4 (HB4)—powerful tort reform legislation that is the foundation of the Texas economic miracle. Yet, despite the awesome economic growth and increased access to health care triggered by HB4, members of the trial bar are still working to overturn this reform. While Texans should stand their ground and rebuff efforts to undo HB4’s successful tort reforms, all Americans should take notice of Texas’s remarkable transformation and look to enact similar reforms in their own states.

The causal connection between economic prosperity and efficient, fair courts is stronger than most people realize. The simple fact is that free people using free markets need a strong judicial system: Fair markets require fair courts. The freedoms and rights enumerated in the U.S. Constitution can be guaranteed only through the justice system. For instance, personal property rights need to be protected. Contracts need to be enforced or damages paid. People need to be able to rely on product safeties and warranties.

Without an effective judicial system, our freedoms and our free enterprise system decay: Rights become uncertain, contracts are ambiguous, and personal property loses value. Simply put, strong, fair courts equal certainty. Arbitrary justice equals economic inefficiency and comes with a huge cost to America’s economic system.

Americans’ rights need to be protected through a well-balanced system. While those who have been harmed need a fair and adequate remedy, individuals who have done no wrong need to be protected from those seeking unjust damages. And those who have done nothing wrong have the right to keep their money and to have their lack of responsibility for any alleged injury suffered by a plaintiff adjudicated quickly.
A Judicial Hellhole

Ten years ago, Texas was known as one of the nation’s “judicial hellholes.”[1] The state’s system of justice allowed for laws to be applied arbitrarily. Enforcement of personal property rights and contracts varied depending on which local court had the case. Furthermore, certain counties had bad reputations regardless of the court. Judicial outcomes often depended on which attorney was before which judge in which county. Equal enforcement of the state’s laws was simply not a certainty upon which a citizen could rely.
Ten years ago, Texas was known as one of the nation’s “judicial hellholes.” Equal enforcement of the state’s laws was simply not a certainty upon which a citizen could rely.

This problem was not new to Texas. Thirty years before Texas was proclaimed a judicial hellhole, the governor, lieutenant governor, and speaker empowered Page Keeton, the well-respected dean of the University of Texas Law School, to study the problem and offer legally sound solutions. In 1975, the Keeton Commission proposed the state’s first cap on medical malpractice damages.[2] In order to stem the adverse effects of litigation on doctors, the Texas legislature passed its first tort reform law in 1977, establishing a cap on all medical malpractice damages except medical expenses.[3]

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Yep, get hit by a hotdog at a ball game, SUE!!!

Fan injured by hot dog suing Kansas City Royals despite ‘baseball rule’
Published November 01, 2013 Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo.– If it had been a foul ball or broken bat that struck John Coomer in the eye as he watched a Kansas City Royals game, it's unlikely the courts would have forced the team to pay for the surgeries and suffering he's endured

But because it was a hot dog thrown by the team mascot -- behind the back, no less -- he just may have a case.

The Missouri Supreme Court is weighing whether the "baseball rule" ----------
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/01/fan-inju...

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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One person writes an opinion piece published in Heritage Foundation and automatically it becomes the policy of all Republicans?
Next, the "Mass plan" has been amended at least twice with a third amendment effort cancelled because the "Mass plan" will be null and voided by PelosiCare.
By the way, how many pages were in the "Mass plan" and how many in PelosiCare? If you don't like the "Mass plan" you can move to another state but if you don't like PelosiCare you have to leave the U.S.!
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Hummm, did you read it? It was a rebuttal to HillaryCare. And when you say "Republicans obviously were not screaming that it was unconstitutional socialism." does not mean all, or even most, Republicans agreed with it.
By the way, just how many pages was Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act? Sorry, PelosiCare is nothing like the Republican's bill.
The Health Access Reform Today Act was a bill introduced by a Republican and co-sponsored by 18 additional Republicans in the Senate. No one screamed "socialism". It was an alternative that was proposed, not a "rebuttal".

Sorry Rouge. Republican outrage drips with hypocrisy.

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Libtardian Logic. Heritage Foundation article = Republican bill = PelosiCare (ObamaCare)
And any Republican that opposes PelosiCare is a ... Racist!!!

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Hey Wotard, does PelosiCare include "Medical Liability Reform" like the Republican bill did?
And that would magically not make an individual mandate "socialism" any more?

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Is that why congress has to implement "the doctor fix" for medicare and medicaid almost annually just to keep enough of them willing to participate in that program wojar?
Medicare? Talk about moving the goal posts. OB has picked up his ball and moved on to a new field.
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I fault Republicans for being hypocrites. Republicans flip-flopped as soon as dems decided to use the Heritage Plan's individual mandate.
The individual mandate was hatched in the Heritage Foundation and implemented first in Massachusetts. Heritage lauded the plan. The majority in Massachusetts do not want to see the plan repealed. But as soon as dems adopted the plan it became socialism and Republicans screamed the Mass plan failed. It didn't.
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Nabbed or dead? Are we still fighting them or not? And who's to say what Al-Qaeda would be today if we hadn't kept them running and disorganized? I fully expect a very touching apology from you regarding these terrorists. Go ahead and show your true colors!
You unbelievably wrote : "I fully expect a very touching apology from you regarding these terrorists" . You want me to apologize to Bin Laden? You want me to apologize to GWB for initiating two unfunded unjustified wars that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and huge amounts of money, near-bankrupting the U.S. with no results? You expect me to apologize to Obama for doing GWB's job?

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Yeah, the decision to allow troops to land at Omaha was irresponsible. Basically, a few hundred yards of beach, barbed wire, complete with troop and tank abbatis... and heavy artillery support.
Then... a cliff with pill boxes dug into it.
Who ever gave the nod on Omaha should have resigned... and worse.
And with Pointe du Hoc , the French underground had warned the U.S. that the cannons had been taken away. It was fought for for naught, will over 70 rangers killed for nothing.

Interesting, as refers to Omaha Beach. Apparently, no one knew that the bulk of the experienced German fighters , along with near-un-breachable defences, were deployed. It could've been any beach.

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Oh, 34 DEMOCRAT Congressmen also voted against PelosiCare. Are they also .... RACIST?

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Libtardian Logic. Heritage Foundation article = Republican bill = PelosiCare (ObamaCare)
And any Republican that opposes PelosiCare is a ... Racist!!!
And Rouge plays his fantasy straw man race card again.

Conservatives approve of individual mandate when first unveiled in 1989, Republicans propose it it Senate in 1993 with 18 Republican co-sponsors. Another individual mandate bill, Wyden-Bennet, was co-sponsored by more Republicans (11) than Democrats (9) in May 2007. But not until 2009 did Republicans decide to flip-flop and hypocritically call the individual mandate "unconstitutional," which was a frivolous claim rejected by the Supreme Court.

Hypocrisy.
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You unbelievably wrote : "I fully expect a very touching apology from you regarding these terrorists" . You want me to apologize to Bin Laden? You want me to apologize to GWB for initiating two unfunded unjustified wars that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and huge amounts of money, near-bankrupting the U.S. with no results? You expect me to apologize to Obama for doing GWB's job?
No, I'm waiting on you to make excuses for Al-Qaeda. I'm sure in your mind they're really sweet folk deep down! I don't think you'll have any trouble justifying their actions! Work on your comprehension, Path.

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