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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#177437 Nov 2, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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You're going to compare a war to a website? A website that had plenty of time to be created correctly! BS, someone's pockets are getting lined. LMAO!
BTW, if we hadn't stayed on the trail of these terrorists, who knows what Al Qaeda would be today? Who knows how many times they would have attacked us in their cowardly fashion they're so known for? To you, this is a waste? Not to me.
Comparing unnecessary costs for the war in Iraq is fair game. Iraq was not a terrorist haven in 2002. Terrorists did not gravitate to Iraq until after Dubya attacked. Far more pockets lined due to the unnecessary Iraq war.

BTW, the state exchange web sites are working quite nicely and soon the federal site should be running smoothly - RWNJ screaming notwithstanding.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
"The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher."
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-03-28 ...
Ernesto Londoņo,Iraq, Afghan wars will cost to $4 trillion to $6 trillion, Harvard study says, Washington Post, March 28, 2013.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177438 Nov 2, 2013
Birfoon wrote:
Where have all the Barry supporters gone? The silence is deafening. Your boy is such a tremendous liar, why would anybody believe he was not Kenyan born? I'll say it loud and proud, BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA!!
Satire. I get it.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177439 Nov 2, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
About that alleged error SHEEPLE.
Goderich's statement fails to explain why the "fact checking error" persisted for sixteen years, through at least three different versions of Jane Dystel's website, and through at least four different versions of Obama's biography.
It persisted, in fact, more than two years after Obama became a United States Senator, and until after Obama had declared his campaign for the presidency in 2007.
In addition to the 1991 biography above (#1), here, via archive.org , is a screen shot of Obama's biography (#2) on the Dystel.com website in June 1998, in which the text has been updated but the birthplace error has been repeated:
The answer for the persistence is really very simple. She made the mistake and forgot to check it, and then forgot about the whole thing for 16 years or whatever. She simply did not look at what she had written for 16 years. She left it the way that it was.

What is so unusual about that? People make mistakes and forget to check it and leave their mistakes in place for years very often.

In any case, the fact that she failed to check and failed to fix it for 16 years does not, duh, and, duh again, CANNOT, make Obama born in Kenya. For Obama to have been born in Kenya, Obama's mother would have had to have gone to Kenya, and we do not know even whether she had a passport in 1961 (and very very few 18-year-olds did), and yet birther try to fool gullible people into thinking that she was one of the very very few 18-year-olds to have a passport, and one of the EXTREMELY few women who traveled abroad during the last few months of pregnancy in 1961 because of the risk of stillbirths---and in addition to those two unusual things happening that the birth certificate of Hawaii was forged and that the officials of BOTH parties (and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the papers by the DOH in 1961) are all lying.

Sure. Would you like to buy a bridge? A pretty bridge in Brooklyn? Going cheap.

In fact, it was the birther sites that LIED when they claimed that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. She never said any such thing. The tape recording of the call shows that she said repeatedly that Obama was born in HAWAII "where his father was studying at the time"----but that the birther sites simply did not quote this, and cut off the tape recording on their sites just before she was asked "where was he born?" (I wonder why they did that??????)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177440 Nov 2, 2013
And another mental case slips thought the cracks of officials. Sad, very sad.

NJ police: Dad called, worried about LAX suspect
Associated Press
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM and KATHY MATHESON 5 hours ago

PENNSVILLE, N.J.(AP)— The young man suspected of carrying out a shooting at Los Angeles International Airport had sent a sibling a text message mentioning suicide, leading their father to seek authorities' help in finding him, a New Jersey police chief said Friday.

Paul Ciancia's father called Pennsville Police Chief Allen Cummings early Friday afternoon, saying another of his children had received a text message from the 23-year-old "in reference to him taking his own life," the chief told The Associated Press.

The elder Ciancia, the owner of an auto-body shop in southern New Jersey, asked for help in locating Paul, Cummings said. The chief called Los Angeles police, which sent a patrol car to Ciancia's apartment. It wasn't clear whether the police visited before or after the airport shooting.

"Basically, there were two roommates there," Cummings said. "They said,'We saw him yesterday and he was fine.'"

http://news.yahoo.com/nj-police-dad-called-wo...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177441 Nov 2, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I fault Republicans for being hypocrites. Republicans flip-flopped as soon as dems decided to use the Heritage Plan's individual mandate.
The individual mandate was hatched in the Heritage Foundation and implemented first in Massachusetts. Heritage lauded the plan. The majority in Massachusetts do not want to see the plan repealed. But as soon as dems adopted the plan it became socialism and Republicans screamed the Mass plan failed. It didn't.
<quoted text>
One person writes an opinion piece published in Heritage Foundation and automatically it becomes the policy of all Republicans?
Next, the "Mass plan" has been amended at least twice with a third amendment effort cancelled because the "Mass plan" will be null and voided by PelosiCare.
By the way, how many pages were in the "Mass plan" and how many in PelosiCare? If you don't like the "Mass plan" you can move to another state but if you don't like PelosiCare you have to leave the U.S.!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177442 Nov 2, 2013
Oh, Obama, and his White House staff, did not have one input into PelosiCare but Obummer Boys likes to take credit for other people's work.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#177443 Nov 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure he lost, but as I just wrote, everyone that speculates as to who won or lost are wrong AND right. I disagree with the Clinton factor. Had Clinton been allowed to run for a 3rd term, he would've won hands down against any contender. Gore was afraid, of the Lewinski affair, as I just wrote to LTR, but I reckon he misjudged a democratic electorate and some conservatives that had forgiven his stupid indiscretions. Had he solicited Clinton more, he probably would've won without a recount.
There are no "do-overs." The fact is that the RESPONSIBILITY for running the election campaign of 2000 fell on Gore's shoulders and he lost. He lost his own state, Tennessee, and he lost New Hampshire. And, you can check this out, even with losing Tennessee AND Florida, he would have won if he had simply won New Hampshire and he didn't, and New Hampshire is a swing state---so why didn't he win in Tennessee and New Hampshire?

Largely because of the Clinton-Lewinsky mess of course.

So who was responsible for Gore losing in 2000? Clinton. Could Ralph Nader have helped Gore by not running? Sure, but the fact is that Nader had his own political agenda and wanted to make his point---and that was baked into the cake.

A lesson of this MESS is that we have to think of a 50-50 election in somewhat broader terms. There actually have been state elections in which the two candidates received EXACTLY the same number of votes after a recount, and so what do they do? They flip a coin and the winner wins the election.

My suggestion is that in the future when a state's vote is within,say, one one hundredth of a percent of 50-50, it be assumed that it was tied, and the two candidates must flip a coin to determine who won. The reason of course is that re-counting and re-counting changes the actual vote. The vote is NOT determined by the ballots but by the biases (everybody has them even the people who try hard to be fair) of the people who are recounting the ballots. So, it is pretty easy to determine what the meaning of a "hanging chad" is, but it is very hard, a matter in which biases play a role, to determine what the meaning of a "dimpled chad" would be.

Situations like this are likely to occur in any elections that are within a tiny percentage of 50-50.

As for the illegal actions that kept people from voting in Florida. They were illegal, and the people involved should have been punished (they weren't), but our system does not allow votes to be given for the people who were prevented from voting. All that we can do is to try to prevent such things from happening again, and it seems to me, that there are states that are trying to make it happen again right now--purging their ballot roles and trying to make it hard for people to vote with voter-ID laws (and you notice that those laws never contain any provisions for getting poor people to the places where they can get the voter IDs---I wonder why not?).
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#177444 Nov 2, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I did attempt to qualify it by using the word "respectable"... In hindsight it does sound demeaning to the guys who fought with us. I could have picked a better adjective.
I had no clue it was 50% on D-Day. Good piece of trivia.
Neither Hitler or Stalin was going to back down or even regroup outside of Stalin's namesake.
Both armies would have been well served by a temporary withdraw. It just so happened that history repeated its self and the Russians came out on top.
Allow me to recommend a book if you haven't yet consumed it.
"Enemy at the Gates" by William Craig
One of my favorites. I would wager a high probability that you have read it though.
There is a movie too... but you know how that turns out if you read the book first.
Let's not leave out the American Industrialist like Henry Ford and our manufacturing might. Without the Willow Run plant churning out a bomber a day that ultimately pummeled Germany into submission, that victory in Europe may not have been possible in the time it took us to tip the scales. American CAPITALISM, and the wealth created by it, not socialism and government deciding who and what would succeed was extremely influential.
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#177445 Nov 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You did counsel civility, right?
Still want to bomb those 60,000 student and faculty traitors at Harvard and Yale? All of them traitors and non respecters of the constitution, right? Much like Sodom and Gomorrah, correct? Not one innocent soul in there. Very civil, that.
I believe they refer to that as collateral damage Jacque. Even the fight to preserve liberty will have some of that. I must be bi-polar, because that was the uncivil side of me prodding you liberals. Our country is a fiscal and social mess currently, and Harvard and Yale has funneled us our current crop of "leaders" for some time now. If results are any indicator of their contribution, my assessment is that they have failed the people, because the people have been screwed by both parties, as we witness the democrats making the rich richer and the poor more desperate then in decades.
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#177446 Nov 2, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
The lesser of two evil's is still evil.
If voting changed anything important, it would be illegal.
You may not be flattered by this Scrutiny, but you are a an excellent poster. I like the way you think.
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#177447 Nov 2, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I fault Republicans for being hypocrites. Republicans flip-flopped as soon as dems decided to use the Heritage Plan's individual mandate.
The individual mandate was hatched in the Heritage Foundation and implemented first in Massachusetts. Heritage lauded the plan. The majority in Massachusetts do not want to see the plan repealed. But as soon as dems adopted the plan it became socialism and Republicans screamed the Mass plan failed. It didn't.
<quoted text>
Is that why congress has to implement "the doctor fix" for medicare and medicaid almost annually just to keep enough of them willing to participate in that program wojar?

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#177448 Nov 2, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>That is correct. Impeach the Kenyan-born Antichrist!
www.AE911truth.org
I was wrong about MABUS being the Anticrist it is WelbyMD

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177449 Nov 2, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I fault Republicans for being hypocrites. Republicans flip-flopped as soon as dems decided to use the Heritage Plan's individual mandate.
The individual mandate was hatched in the Heritage Foundation and implemented first in Massachusetts. Heritage lauded the plan. The majority in Massachusetts do not want to see the plan repealed. But as soon as dems adopted the plan it became socialism and Republicans screamed the Mass plan failed. It didn't.
<quoted text>
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that why congress has to implement "the doctor fix" for medicare and medicaid almost annually just to keep enough of them willing to participate in that program wojar?
He still thinks RomneyCare and ObamaCare (PelosiCare) were Republican initiatives! Not only did not one Republican vote for PelosiCare but 34 Democrats voted against it!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#177450 Nov 2, 2013
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
I was wrong about MABUS being the Anticrist it is WelbyMD
Coming from an Atheist, I think that is funny!
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177451 Nov 2, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
At it's height there were only 5,000 people in the Italian Mafia.
Amazing the control they possessed.
No, air superiority has never won a war on it's own. But the nation that has it hasn't properly lost either. Vietnam doesn't play... air superiority was a political map. Not a true use of air power.
It is my understanding that al Qaeda like Cosa Nostra do not use any electronic communications.

Word of mouth is used therefore nullifying NSA spying.

We had air superiority in Vietnam and lost, same with Korea lost, same with Iraq lost, and same with Afghanistan lost.

I do agree we are second to none in Air Power which creates an enormous advantage.

Sincerely,
Hearts & Minds
Zulfazli Ahmad

Dubai, UAE

#177452 Nov 2, 2013
got my United Arab Emirates Bio-metric Passport from john kenney and his email is pobama25@yahoo. com The Passport is Original.
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177453 Nov 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a hard time with Penn and Teller. They are gross and boorish. And I don't see the point in stuff like "Fuck**G Mother Teresa" and "Fuck**g Ghandi" and "fuck**g Dalai Lama" , etc. I also hear a lot of rumours coming out of their foul mouths, rumours that, like Rogue, they do not substantiate, though yes, some of them must be true if one throws enough of them around. What's more, it seems that Terasa and Ghandi, to name just two, have not done a single positive thing in their lives, not unlike the Dalai Lama whom even I was never that impressed with, but there is a limit to lambasting people.
Christopher Hitchens video I have not seen yet, as the first one was after all 30 minutes long.
These people, unlike Teller and Penn, are not perfect, nor
did they ever claim to be. But then, who is?
I agree with you.

The most important thing to remember is that Saints are Sinners.

Nobody is perfect with the exception of JESUS who was human and divine.

I fell asleep watching the Hitchens clip but I will listen to it again.
Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177454 Nov 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
My reply, part II .You quote the NY Post. typical. Rupert Murdoch-owned. Been following the trials of his crappy newspapers and his underling in London? And you quote his crap?
And the other newspaper is the Washington Times whose proprietor is the Rightwing Republican Cult Leader Sun Myung Moon.

LOL

Fox News Propaganda

Sayville, NY

#177455 Nov 2, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
The lesser of two evil's is still evil.
If voting changed anything important, it would be illegal.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything." Josef Stalin
Joe OBiden

Jacksonville, FL

#177456 Nov 2, 2013
At no time was the Obama Administration aware,
of what the Obama Administration was doing.

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