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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#176318 Oct 25, 2013
And then Romney got his clock cleaned.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#176319 Oct 25, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Do you know why "only 6% of Americans knows it"? Because it ain't true! Keep gulping that Red Koolaide and you will never see the bus run over you!
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Your "red herron" is a red herring! And you have a degree is what?
Rouge still hasn't figured out that "red herron" is a parody of Rouge's frequent spelling errors that he tries to hide with what he calls red herrings (that fool no one).

Hasn't Rouge noticed that I call out red herrings regularly but "red herrons" when Rouge makes real spelling boo boos that he ineffectually tries to hide?

BTW, a green heron is spelled with one r, but a "red herron" is a parody, numskull.
wojar wrote:
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"[K]nows it"? That wasn't a "red herron".
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#176320 Oct 25, 2013
wojar wrote:
And then Romney got his clock cleaned.
And look what symbolism over substance has gotten us all wojar. An unqualified president who has never worked a day in his life, where the money didn't come from the taxpayers.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#176321 Oct 25, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Do you know why "only 6% of Americans knows it"? Because it ain't true! Keep gulping that Red Koolaide and you will never see the bus run over you!
<quoted text>
Your "red herron" is a red herring! And you have a degree is what?
Rouge doesn't even know when he's the butt of a joke.

How sad.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#176322 Oct 25, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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And look what symbolism over substance has gotten us all wojar. An unqualified president who has never worked a day in his life, where the money didn't come from the taxpayers.
And we would have been soooo much better off with a plastic man who lives off of downsizing corporations and off-shoring jobs.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#176323 Oct 25, 2013
wojar wrote:
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And we would have been soooo much better off with a plastic man who lives off of downsizing corporations and off-shoring jobs.
No one can deny that our country was better before Obama.
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#176324 Oct 25, 2013
wojar wrote:
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And we would have been soooo much better off with a plastic man who lives off of downsizing corporations and off-shoring jobs.
So much contempt for the successful wojar. How progressive of you. You wear your hatred like a giant chip on your meek and insignificant shoulder.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#176325 Oct 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>No one can deny that our country was better before Obama.
No one can deny that our economy was in free-fall before Dumbya left office.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#176326 Oct 25, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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So much contempt for the successful wojar. How progressive of you. You wear your hatred like a giant chip on your meek and insignificant shoulder.
Don't blame me because Republicans nominated an inflatable plastic candidate.
wojar wrote:
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And we would have been soooo much better off with a plastic man who lives off of downsizing corporations and off-shoring jobs.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#176327 Oct 25, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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How does go about becoming an "officially an adopted citizen of Indonesia back in the 1960s?
Let's find out by actually reading the applicable Indoonesian statutes governing adoptions and citizenships during that time period.
Adoption:
The law in question is Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, 62/1958 for short. Assuming an adoption took place, it would fall under Article 2 of this law.
"Article 2.
(1)A foreign child of less THAN 5 YEARS AGE who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child." (emphasis added)
Note the age limit there - less than 5 years of age. Lolo Soetoro married Stanley Ann Dunham in either 1966 or 1967. This would have made Obama either five or six - over the age limit according to Indonesian law. Furthermore, they didn't move to Indonesia until 1967, when Obama was six years old.
Therefore, under Indonesian law, there was no way via adoption that Indonesian citizenship could have been granted to Barack Obama.
Indonesian citizenship:
In order to apply for an Indonesian citizenship, a foreigner must have lived in the country for a consecutive period of at least five years, or 10 years not consecutively. Law No. 62/1958
As such, Obama, being a foreigner in Indonesia, in order to obtain an Indonesian passport would have to live in Indonesia for at least five years or ten years not consecutively. Clearly, by only being in Indonesia for THREE years as a minor, he couldn't have obtained an Indonesian passport.
And, in fact, he did not obtain an Indonesian passport, nor was he ever an Indonesian citizen, as a simple telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#176328 Oct 25, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Our country (except Chicago) would be better off if Obama had stayed in Chicago. Since Obama joined the Senate our National debt has gone up nearly 10 trillion dollars,and that includes the Obama lie that he would reduce the debt to 3.5 trillion his first year in the White House. Why do you idolize someone who can't open his mouth with out telling a lie?
I don't idolize him. HOWEVER, I dislike lies about him, and it is a lie that he was born in a foreign country, and it is a lie that he became a citizen of Indonesia. Both are not merely lies, but STUPID lies.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#176330 Oct 25, 2013
wojar wrote:
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No one can deny that our economy was in free-fall before Dumbya left office.
Yea, and whose fault was it? Please show cause and effect if you can?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#176331 Oct 25, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Bumped for the benefit of others.
Bumped? Why? I debunked most of it. But as you are illiterate, I don't expect your read it, much less understood it.

Also, and even if it was bad news, what is it about rejoicing when something's amiss elsewhere or in a party or faction you don't like?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#176332 Oct 25, 2013
wojar wrote:
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And we would have been soooo much better off with a plastic man who lives off of downsizing corporations and off-shoring jobs.
Or a grade-B movie actor who snitched on his fellow actors, producers, writers and directors to McCarthy. Yeah...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#176333 Oct 25, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Rouge still hasn't figured out that "red herron" is a parody of Rouge's frequent spelling errors that he tries to hide with what he calls red herrings (that fool no one).
Hasn't Rouge noticed that I call out red herrings regularly but "red herrons" when Rouge makes real spelling boo boos that he ineffectually tries to hide?
BTW, a green heron is spelled with one r, but a "red herron" is a parody, numskull.
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Yes, I did notice the extra "r" in "herron". My use of red herrings is that you may comment on my spelling, grammar or punctuation while totally ignoring the meat of my post.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#176334 Oct 25, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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I have made my generous donation to the Cuccinelli campaign today. I remember Terry McCauliffe from the Clinton years and he is a big a lying Alynskyite partisan piece of excrement as you can get.
Virginians better be careful what they wish for.
What I think is odd was that two weeks ago McCauliffe was seven points ahead in the polls, then why did Hillary show up the past weekend to bolster his campaign? Because they no how big of an issue ObamaCare is becoming and Hillary was trying to claim that the government shut down, which is OVER, is more important than the ...., plug your ears,... ObamaCare disaster.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#176335 Oct 25, 2013
But I believe that Nancy Pelosi wrote ObamaCare for it to fail. But they had planned that the failing of ObamaCare be blamed on the evil health insurance companies but right now most voters are pointing at the idiotic Democrats!!!
Have you noticed how many Democrat legislators are turning on Obama in just this past week? And most of them that are voicing their concerns are up for reelection next year!!!

Jumping Ship: How the pundit class turned on ObamaCare
Howard Kurtz
By Howard Kurtz - Published October 22, 2013 - FoxNews.com

Now that the president has lost the “Morning Joe” crowd, ObamaCare may be in even deeper political trouble than we thought.

The MSNBC chatfest is generally sympathetic to the administration. And Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman, has been training most of his fire on members of his party who led the ill-fated government shutdown.

But with the feds back in business, and the media spotlight predictably back on the bungled health care effort, the punditocracy has really turned on the rollout that President Obama felt compelled to defend at a White House event yesterday.

Mark Halperin, the “Game Change” coauthor and a regular on Joe’s show, called the rollout “unacceptable” and added that “the secrecy is unacceptable,” accusing the administration of withholding information about how many people have signed up.

His fellow panelist, liberal commentator Mike Barnicle, ratcheted up from there:“They’re lying about it now,” he said.“They’re not depriving us of information, they are outright lying.” The former Boston Globe columnist called the administration’s conduct “unacceptable.”

On “CBS This Morning,” the network’s political director, John Dickerson, calls the rollout “a total fiasco,” saying the administration is getting into a “credibility death spiral.”

This is, to put it mildly, a very difficult media environment. It’s not that all these pundits have turned against the idea of health insurance exchanges; it’s that they believe the execution has been badly botched.

To them, the issue is incompetence—an easier target for journalists wary of taking an ideological stance.

Obama’s speech yesterday was not the mea culpa some had predicted. He vowed to fix what he called “kinks” in the system, but generally delivered an upbeat defense of the program.

As liberal Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein tweeted in mid-address,“So far, this seems weirdly similar to the speech Obama would’ve given if the exchanges were working fine.”

But they’re not working fine, and White House reporters pressed Jay Carney aggressively about what the president knew, when he knew it and whether the administration owes the country an apology.(During the shutdown, you’ll recall, the press corps didn’t ask the president a single ObamaCare question at a news conference.)

The New York Times, which has been doing solid reporting on ObamaCare’s problems, dropped this latest bomb:“Federal contractors have identified most of the main problems crippling President Obama’s online health insurance marketplace, but the administration has been slow to issue orders for fixing those flaws, and some contractors worry that the system may be weeks away from operating smoothly, people close to the project say.”

And Politico doesn’t pull punches in assessing the fallout:

“It’s not the GOP that President Barack Obama has to worry about in defending his botched health care rollout, it’s fellow Democrats.

“They voted for the law, sang its praises for three-plus years and still believe in the promise of health care reform. But now they face a conundrum: stay in lock step with Obama and risk their credibility as advocates for the law’s benefits or publicly criticize the administration for its recent problems — especially a failure to more quickly acknowledge, and rectify, the major malfunction of its Internet marketplace.”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#176336 Oct 25, 2013
Conservatives, who have always hated the program, are very much in I-told-you-so mode. But even the administration’s natural media allies are finding the rollout hard to defend, at least for now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/22/ju...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#176337 Oct 25, 2013
Naw, dose Dems ain't worried much!

Hill Democrats frustrated by Obamacare rollout

By JENNIFER HABERKORN and JONATHAN ALLEN | 10/23/13 11:37 AM EDT Updated: 10/24/13 9:38 AM EDT

House Democrats voiced growing frustration and anger with the broken Obamacare enrollment site on Wednesday as administration officials tried to reassure them that HealthCare.gov will be repaired.

Democrats, who labored to get the Affordable Care Act through Congress in the first year of the Obama presidency, said they wanted the administration to share details of what’s wrong and when it will be fixed.

“It’s screwed up,” Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) said, summing up the whole situation.

The disastrous rollout three weeks ago of HealthCare.gov was obscured initially by the government shutdown, but now it’s Topic A on the Hill. Republicans are pouncing on ineptitude — and demanding delays. They had demanded a briefing too —and House Speaker John Boehner’s office said HHS had agreed and details were being worked out.

“It’s not clear why Republicans were excluded in the first place, but we look forward to getting answers to how the administration botched this enormous use of taxpayer dollars so badly,” a spokesman emailed reporters.

And Democrats are none too happy about all the problems of a program that they have a lot riding on. Expanding health care coverage is a longtime Democratic goal — but it’s also been politically costly and they need it to work.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/democra...
wojar

Bristol, CT

#176338 Oct 25, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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And look what symbolism over substance has gotten us all wojar. An unqualified president who has never worked a day in his life, where the money didn't come from the taxpayers.
when he worked at a law firm the taxpayers footed the bill?

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