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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175932 Oct 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Have you seen Obama's latest approval ratingS?
http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/pre ...
I think it odd that Rasmussen gives him the highest ratings.
<quoted text>
Oh Jacqueau, did you see Sen. Cruz's welcoming home this weekend?
Texans Stick With Cruz Despite Defeat in Washington
By MANNY FERNANDEZ
Published: October 18, 2013
HOUSTON — Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas and the face of the angry right, has been criticized, lambasted and lampooned for putting the nation through a 16-day government shutdown and the prospect of a financial default.
Bloomberg Businessweek put him on its cover as a mad hatter who defines how “crazy is the new normal.” Representative Peter T. King, a Republican from New York, has said Republican leaders need to go after Mr. Cruz and accused him of bringing the country “to the edge of ruin.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/us/politics... [BBpRPT]
In Texas, it is a different story.
As they say, only in Texas, the home of GWB and God-anointed Perry. What did you expect?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#175934 Oct 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you need to ask Daddy to explain the birds and the bees to you. LMAO! BTW, how's that grass hut condo doing? One other thing, have you ever "not" sounded like a 6 year old who just wet his pants? LMAO!
Romper thinks his inability to comprehend middle school English grammar has something to do with birds and bees.

So pathetic, the court says it will not address an issue not raised, and he cannot understand what was the issue not raised and that it was not considered. Yet he seems to believe, according to play law, that a holding was announced therein affirming his fantasy.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#175935 Oct 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Romper thinks his inability to comprehend middle school English grammar has something to do with birds and bees.

So pathetic, the court says it will not address an issue not raised, and he cannot understand what was the issue not raised and that it was not considered. Yet he seems to believe, according to play law, that a holding was announced therein affirming his fantasy.
But when Romper asked his mommie about the birds and bees she told him that he wouldn't understand. Romper "logikally" assumes that everything he doesn't understand must be related to birds and bees

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#175936 Oct 21, 2013
There was a meeting of the single parents club. The parents of the children had cookies and tea. Of course, according to Play Law parentS means both parents of each child were assembled at the meeting.

Birfoons could not pass a middle school English test.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175937 Oct 21, 2013
Annual medical visit/checkup to family doctor this afternoon.

Annual checkup : Free, with gov't paying doctor $80. for visit.(gov't keeps dr's rates reasonable);

Flu shot : Free, with gov't paying $30 for shot;

Blood analyses : Free. No idea what gov't pays doctor

Pneumonia and shingles vaccinations to be administered in coming days. Free

Parking : No charge

Time arrived : 1:30
Time exited : 2:30

Duration of actual exam : less than 30 minutes, as routine stuff like usual questionnaire, blood pressure, weighing, etc were done by nursing staff beforehand.

Damn socialised medicine.

P.§. Oh, forgot, I'll have to pay $30 for PSA test, as it's not covered unless deemed urgent. It's not.

P.P.S. Gov't was not and will not be consulted or asked permission for any of the above or any other test, medication or surgery.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175938 Oct 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Back up my statement? I would make up something that discredits us? Why would I do that? You think that I hate truckers and trucks? Quite the opposite, they fascinate me and I could write a book about the talks I've had with truckers on 5 continents. Our newspapers often write about surprise truck inspections here and in the province. More than half don't pass. When I see the next despatch on that, I'll give you a reference. I didn't say anything about the U.S. situation as I don't know.
BUT, as per your LOCAL weather phenomenons , you tell us personal anecdotes when you were a trucker, as if that covered that whole U.S. trucking segment.
In the meantime, here is a report on surprise truck inspections in Hamilton, Ontario, a major Ontario city . 80% had mechanical failures :
Hamilton truck inspections reveal loose wheels and faulty brakes
By Samantha Craggs , CBC News Posted: May 30, 2013 7:32 AM ET| Last Updated: May 30, 2013 11:55 AM ET
Const. Joanne Serkyn and Const. Pat Martin inspect a truck during a commercial vehicle inspection stop in Hamilton this week. The officers found a high number of trucks with faulty brakes, poor tires and wheels in danger of coming unfastened.
Const. Joanne Serkyn and Const. Pat Martin inspect a truck during a commercial vehicle inspection stop in Hamilton this week. The officers found a high number of trucks with faulty brakes, poor tires and wheels in danger of coming unfastened.(Samantha Craggs/CBC)
Hamilton officers have seen some hair-curling results this week as they inspect trucks in the city's industrial area.
In the first concentrated commercial truck inspection in Hamilton in years, officers found loose wheels, malfunctioning brakes and loads insecurely strapped onto trucks.
In total, more than 80 per cent of the vehicles inspected were temporarily taken off the road until they could be fixed or made safe again.
"This is my first experience in Hamilton and I find the numbers to be extremely high," said Const. Pat Martin, a commercial vehicle officer from Halton Regional Police who helped with the inspections. "It kind of hearkens back to the Halton Region a number of years ago when we started our program."
Hamilton officers conducted inspections on Burlington Street and in Flamborough on Monday and Tuesday. It was the latest in a string of inspections scheduled for Hamilton roads this year. Officers held a one-day event in Waterdown in April, and plan two more for June and a larger event in September.
More than 3,000 heavy commercial vehicles travel through Hamilton each day. Unlike Halton, Hamilton Police Service does not have a unit dedicated to inspecting commercial vehicles, said Const. Joanne Serkyn on Tuesday. But police plan to establish one in the future.
...2
Sorry, 80% does not sound real to me. Maybe 20% but not 80%. This was some years ago but I had a trailer with the old lug-piloted wheels and one wheel had three of the ten fasteners sheared off on the inside. This is something a trucker driver would not normally notice during his daily inspection.
Oh, you are allowed 10% of brakes/ wheel fasteners to be defective and still be road worthy. That is why most heavy trucker have wheels with ten lugs. If nine are good, you can still roll.
Same with ten sets of brakes on an eighteen wheeler. You can have one brake out of service and still be legal to roll.
I was buying a set of steering tires at a truck stop on a Sunday afternoon and they sheered one stud off. The local Freightliner dealer was closed but the Kenworth was open and they had the part. It would have been legal to roll with one broken but I would not be as happy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175939 Oct 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh Jacqueau, did you see Sen. Cruz's welcoming home this weekend?
Texans Stick With Cruz Despite Defeat in Washington
By MANNY FERNANDEZ
Published: October 18, 2013
HOUSTON — Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas and the face of the angry right, has been criticized, lambasted and lampooned for putting the nation through a 16-day government shutdown and the prospect of a financial default.
Bloomberg Businessweek put him on its cover as a mad hatter who defines how “crazy is the new normal.” Representative Peter T. King, a Republican from New York, has said Republican leaders need to go after Mr. Cruz and accused him of bringing the country “to the edge of ruin.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/us/politics ...[BBpRPT]
In Texas, it is a different story.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
As they say, only in Texas, the home of GWB and God-anointed Perry. What did you expect?
That's right. They are his constituents and they voted him in and can vote him out.
Now, can you explain how his filibuster of Sep. 24-15 shut down the government a week later as you claim?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175940 Oct 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
2...
During the inspections, officers drove around the industrial area identifying trucks that may have problems and directed the drivers to the inspection spot on Burlington Street. Officers then did "level one" inspections, which includes looking at the truck's registration, brakes and tires.
Missing wheel fasteners
Of the 22 inspected on Monday, 18 were taken out of service for violations, Martin said. Sixty-nine offenses were laid under Ontario's Highway Traffic Act, from $110 for broken signal lights to $490 for faulty brakes.
Some trucks quickly returned to the road. Others were taken out of service entirely and drivers will have to go through the safety process again, Martin said.
Load violations were the most common infraction, as well as several flat or balding tires.
"Wheel fasteners is huge," Martin said. "We had a trailer brought in today that was missing wheel fasteners. That could potentially cause that wheel to come off at some point."
Serkyn and Martin attribute the high number of violations to lack of education, as well as drivers not expecting to be inspected in the area. There are no Ministry of Transportation inspection stations in Hamilton. The closest is Vineland, Martin said. And many drivers avoid them.
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Are we a trucking third-world nation? Seems like.
I always carried spare light bulbs and a head light with me. One evening I was at a state scale and another trucker was asking for a lift to the next truck stop to by a head light as he was shut down. I told him if he had the $8 I would sell him mine. He did and I am sure he got on the road faster.
Oh, in most states cops will only shut down a private car if both headlights/ taillights are out but in most states they will shut down a commercial vehicle. And that is why I carried spares even though I never got shut down.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175941 Oct 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Romper thinks his inability to comprehend middle school English grammar has something to do with birds and bees.
So pathetic, the court says it will not address an issue not raised, and he cannot understand what was the issue not raised and that it was not considered. Yet he seems to believe, according to play law, that a holding was announced therein affirming his fantasy.
6 Year Old, it's not my inability to comprehend but yours. Tell us, 6 Year Old, what were they not addressing. Simple question, even for a 6 Year Old.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175942 Oct 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, 80% does not sound real to me. Maybe 20% but not 80%. This was some years ago but I had a trailer with the old lug-piloted wheels and one wheel had three of the ten fasteners sheared off on the inside. This is something a trucker driver would not normally notice during his daily inspection.
Oh, you are allowed 10% of brakes/ wheel fasteners to be defective and still be road worthy. That is why most heavy trucker have wheels with ten lugs. If nine are good, you can still roll.
Same with ten sets of brakes on an eighteen wheeler. You can have one brake out of service and still be legal to roll.
I was buying a set of steering tires at a truck stop on a Sunday afternoon and they sheered one stud off. The local Freightliner dealer was closed but the Kenworth was open and they had the part. It would have been legal to roll with one broken but I would not be as happy.
The article says 80% but it's surely wrong, you say, it's more than 20%. Why would the ministry of transport people make that up? I'm not surprised, as rig accidents are on the rise - often, too many hours and defective eqpt - not the drivers' faults, as employers or contractors are very demanding. Ever looked at those big trucks and their tires, for example, when they stop at a stop light? Often just plain horrifying.

The inspectors talked of defective trucks, did not mention percentages.
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#175943 Oct 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Stewart is too smart for guys like Carlson. Not in Stewart's league. Walked all over him.
He admonished Paul Begala also not just Carlson, for both men doing great harm to the viewers.

Both are propagandist for there parties DEMS and REPS.

Unfortunately most Americans believe one side or the other side and the TRUTH is always somewhere in the middle.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175944 Oct 21, 2013
wojar wrote:
There was a meeting of the single parents club. The parents of the children had cookies and tea. Of course, according to Play Law parentS means both parents of each child were assembled at the meeting.
Birfoons could not pass a middle school English test.
I guess Daddy is at work, huh? Ok, this may be a little tough for you considering your age, but here goes. How many people are involved in the making of a baby?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175945 Oct 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh Jacqueau, did you see Sen. Cruz's welcoming home this weekend?
Texans Stick With Cruz Despite Defeat in Washington
By MANNY FERNANDEZ
Published: October 18, 2013
HOUSTON — Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas and the face of the angry right, has been criticized, lambasted and lampooned for putting the nation through a 16-day government shutdown and the prospect of a financial default.
Bloomberg Businessweek put him on its cover as a mad hatter who defines how “crazy is the new normal.” Representative Peter T. King, a Republican from New York, has said Republican leaders need to go after Mr. Cruz and accused him of bringing the country “to the edge of ruin.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/us/politics ...[BBpRPT]
In Texas, it is a different story.
<quoted text>
That's right. They are his constituents and they voted him in and can vote him out.
Now, can you explain how his filibuster of Sep. 24-15 shut down the government a week later as you claim?
You wrote : "Now, can you explain how his filibuster of Sep. 24-15 shut down the government a week later as you claim? ". Are you actually serious? You don't think he was the tea party ringleader of the whole thing, the one who made Speaker Boehner shake in his boots, the one who shut down the gov't? You think he did his ridiculous Dr Seuss filibuster and ended his anti-Obama and anti-citizen shutdown right there? Why was the congress shutting down the gov't? Why didn't Boehner allow a vote? Who was behind this disaster?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175946 Oct 21, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I always carried spare light bulbs and a head light with me. One evening I was at a state scale and another trucker was asking for a lift to the next truck stop to by a head light as he was shut down. I told him if he had the $8 I would sell him mine. He did and I am sure he got on the road faster.
Oh, in most states cops will only shut down a private car if both headlights/ taillights are out but in most states they will shut down a commercial vehicle. And that is why I carried spares even though I never got shut down.
Personal anecdotes are fine, but they hardly give a while picture of the trucking industry in the U.S. and elsewhere.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175947 Oct 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess Daddy is at work, huh? Ok, this may be a little tough for you considering your age, but here goes. How many people are involved in the making of a baby?
If I were a praying man, I would pray you would abstain from making one.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175948 Oct 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote : "Now, can you explain how his filibuster of Sep. 24-15 shut down the government a week later as you claim? ". Are you actually serious? You don't think he was the tea party ringleader of the whole thing, the one who made Speaker Boehner shake in his boots, the one who shut down the gov't? You think he did his ridiculous Dr Seuss filibuster and ended his anti-Obama and anti-citizen shutdown right there? Why was the congress shutting down the gov't? Why didn't Boehner allow a vote? Who was behind this disaster?
ObobbleHead.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175949 Oct 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
If I were a praying man, I would pray you would abstain from making one.


Ah, but you're not, so your post is irrelevant as always. LMAO!

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#175950 Oct 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
There's that darn "S" again! LMAO!

FACT: In the SCOTUS decision, The Venus, 1814, Justice Marshall defines 'natural-born citizen' using Vattel's work, but in his own words saying,(#123)'Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says,'the citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.'

Wrong.

The language that you cited in Venus 12 U.S. 253 (1814) was not part of majority opinion by Justice Washington but rather it was the concurring and dissenting opinion by Chief Justice Marshall in which Justice Livingston concurred. As such, the opinion of Chief Justice Marshall regarding Vattel was NOT THE OPINION OF THE COURT but rather his own opinion. Under the doctrine of stare decisis, an opinion by the majority is considered mandatory authority that is binding on lower courts; however, opinions expressed as concurring opinions are not mandatory but may be considered persuasive authority but they are by no means binding on lower courts.

In this case, Chief Marshall's concurring opinion is not mandatory authority since it was not the majority opinion but at best it was persuasive authority.

One of the best indicators that a concurring opinion was considered persuasive authority by later courts would be for these later courts to cite Chief Justice's concurring opinion. However, a search failed to show that any subsequent federal cases citing Chief Justice's concurring opinion.

As such, Chief Justice's concurring opinion has never been cited by later court cases and the only conclusion to be drawn is that Chief Justice's reliance on Vattel's definition of natives who are born in the country requiring two parents who are citizens has never been used as persuasive authority by later cases.

As a side note, Justice Story concurred with the majority but failed to concur with Justice Marshall

If Vattel were the source of our citizenship laws as you indicated then why didn't the drafters who according to you who were cognizant of the Vattel's "Law of Nations" just draft the following language of a person's eligibility to be president:

“No Person except a NATIVE born citizen,.....”

Why would the drafters insert natural born citizen instead of NATIVE born citizen since according to Vattel, NATIVE are those born in the country whose parents were citizens?

Unless, the drafters used the language borrowed from Blackstone concept of natural born subject by simply substituting the word citizen for subject.

FACT:

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#175951 Oct 21, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
There's that darn "S" again! LMAO!
FACT: The description of natural-born citizen was derived from Vattel's work, Law of Nations § 212
Wrong.

It was Blackstone's influence and not Vattel's influence that was the source of the natural born citizen term in the Constitution.

Blackstone noted the difference between Civil Law and Common Law regarding children born of aliens in England:

The children of aliens, born here in England, are, generally speaking, natural-born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such. In which the constitution of France differs from ours; for there, by their jus albinatus, if a child be born of foreign parents, it is an alien.(Commentaries of the Laws of England (1765)

The natural born citizen language in the Constitution is derived from its English Common Law counterpart natural born subject. This idea is based on courts understanding that the term citizen is analogous with term subject. "The term `citizen,' as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term `subject' in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government."). Rather, the terms are meant to encompass persons living under distinct forms of government: "A monarchy has subjects; a republic has citizens.” Matimak Trading Co. v. Khalily, 118 F. 3d 76 , 85 (2nd Cir. 1997)

The court in Smith v. Alabama, 124 U. S. 465, 478 (1888) stated in clear and concise language the common law's influence in the Constitution: "The interpretation of the Constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history."

That at the time of the drafting of the Constitution the drafters were acquainted with Blackstone’s Commentaries including his definition of natural born subjects. Justice Stone observed:“It is noteworthy that Blackstone's Commentaries, more read in America before the Revolution than any other law book.” CJ Hendry Co. v. Moore, 318 US 133 , 151-152 (1943). Similarly, the court in United States v. Green, 140 F. Supp. 117, 120 (SD NY 1956) noted:“ Blackstone, whose Commentaries probably did much to influence the thinking of American lawyers at and before the time of the framing of the Federal Constitution.”

Moreover, "Blackstone's Commentaries had a wide circulation in America at the time of the Constitutional Convention. It is said that sixteen signers of the Declaration of Independence knew the book cover to cover. A source book of legal science, a landmark in law and literature. It is safe to say that it contents were familiar to every American lawyer in public life in 1789 and 1791. Sunray Oil Corp. v.Allbritton, 187 F.2d 475,478 (5th Cir. 1951)

As such, it is inconceivable for the framers of the Constitution to "import" a foreign idea of citizenship based on the bloodline of fathers and not based on the Jus Soli doctrine as enunciated by Lord Coke in Calvin’s Case and reaffirmed by Blackstone in his Commentaries whose book was required reading by lawyers in colonial America.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175952 Oct 21, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The article says 80% but it's surely wrong, you say, it's more than 20%. Why would the ministry of transport people make that up? I'm not surprised, as rig accidents are on the rise - often, too many hours and defective eqpt - not the drivers' faults, as employers or contractors are very demanding. Ever looked at those big trucks and their tires, for example, when they stop at a stop light? Often just plain horrifying.
The inspectors talked of defective trucks, did not mention percentages.
Some twenty years ago the EDITOR of the Clayton County, GA newspaper claimed 65% of the county population was 65 years old or older and I wrote her demanding her source. She corrected herself the following week. It was only 14% and claimed the State of Georgia told her it was 65%. Commonsense would tell you it was no where near 65%!!!
Get some commonsense!!!

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