BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Democracynow org

West Sayville, NY

#175830 Oct 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Now, now, how can you publish such garbage? Everyone, well, every creationist, believes the earth and human beings are 6,000 years old, 6,500 tops. And this is all calculated in, and this is new scientific term , "Birther Rogue years". Yup, dinosaurs roamed the plains alongside human beings. Scientists are wasting so much time trying to resolve their ultimate demise, when everyone, well, every creationist, knows Noah couldn't fit the huge creatures into the Ark,they just drowned.(told before, lest I be accused of Rogue-like senility).
Not so fast, the article clearly states that human-like skulls were found dating back to 1.8 million years ago.

See, science does change from time to time and nobody can really prove one way or the other.

Who came first? The Chicken? Or The Egg?

lol

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#175831 Oct 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I believe that Ted Cruz is eligible because of the simple argument outlined by Ilya Shapiro of the libertarian Cato Institute.
“It boils down to whether Cruz is a “natural born citizen” of the United States, the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency… What’s a “natural born citizen”? The Constitution doesn’t say, but the Framers’ understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate that the phrase means both birth abroad to American parents — in a manner regulated by federal law — and birth within the nation’s territory regardless of parental citizenship… Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe and former solicitor general Ted Olson… co-authored a memorandum in March 2008 detailing the above legal explanation in the context of John McCain’s eligibility… In other words, anyone who is a citizen at birth — as opposed to someone who becomes a citizen later (“naturalizes”) or who isn’t a citizen at all — can be president…
So the one remaining question is whether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth. That’s an easy one. The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become ‘nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.’…That single-parent requirement has been amended several times, but under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s. QED”
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/2298/can-ted-cruz-pres...
Actually the natural born language in the Naturalization Act of the First Congress was erroneously included. The language was removed in 1795. In fact from 1802 to about 1855 children born outside of the US were aliens that had to be naturalized when brought to the US by their parents.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175832 Oct 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting that you would write : "ObamaKare was passed illegally", seeing as both houses approved it, Obama signed it, and the Supreme Court confirmed its legality. Should those three bodies be slammed in jail forthwith? Not satisfied with accepting legal House votes as law, birthers then stopped the gov't in its tracks , blackmailing and terrorizing the gov't and, even worse, the people. And the rest of the world, but "hey, who cares, we hate this BLACK man in the WHITE House. We'll do anything, even get our country to default if it spites him".
LMAO! Good one.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#175833 Oct 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I believe that Ted Cruz is eligible because of the simple argument outlined by Ilya Shapiro of the libertarian Cato Institute.
“It boils down to whether Cruz is a “natural born citizen” of the United States, the only class of people constitutionally eligible for the presidency… What’s a “natural born citizen”? The Constitution doesn’t say, but the Framers’ understanding, combined with statutes enacted by the First Congress, indicate that the phrase means both birth abroad to American parents — in a manner regulated by federal law — and birth within the nation’s territory regardless of parental citizenship… Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe and former solicitor general Ted Olson… co-authored a memorandum in March 2008 detailing the above legal explanation in the context of John McCain’s eligibility… In other words, anyone who is a citizen at birth — as opposed to someone who becomes a citizen later (“naturalizes”) or who isn’t a citizen at all — can be president…
So the one remaining question is whether Ted Cruz was a citizen at birth. That’s an easy one. The Nationality Act of 1940 outlines which children become ‘nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.’…That single-parent requirement has been amended several times, but under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s. QED”
Read more at http://eaglerising.com/2298/can-ted-cruz-pres...
The Framers' understanding?

Sorry.

“Mr. James Madison, who had been a member of the Constitutional Convention and had participated in the drafting of the terms of eligibility for the President, was a member of the Committee of the House, together with Samuel Dexter of Massachusetts and Thomas A. Carnes of Georgia when the matter of the uniform naturalization act was considered in 1795. Here the false inference which such language might suggest with regard to the President was noted, and the Committee sponsored a new naturalization bill which deleted the term,“natural-born” from the Act of 1795.(1 Stat 414) The same error was never repeated in any subsequent naturalization act.”

Honorable Pinckney G. McElwee, unpublished article reprinted in, 113 Cong. Rec. 15,877 (1967).

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175834 Oct 20, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>ObamaKare was passed illegally. A tax and revenue bill could not be passed through reconciliation. If you remember they pushed it through during recess the final evenings before New Years in the Senate before Scott could vote. The Senate should have gave their recommendations and returned the bill to The House where it would have failed to get enough votes. The ObamKare bill was never good for our country and should have been redone properly. If Obama would have accepted recommendations from Republicans the past five years would have ran mush smoother, bit Obama decided to ignore half the country. Obama doesn't care about The Constitution or our country.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting that you would write : "ObamaKare was passed illegally", seeing as both houses approved it, Obama signed it, and the Supreme Court confirmed its legality. Should those three bodies be slammed in jail forthwith? Not satisfied with accepting legal House votes as law, birthers then stopped the gov't in its tracks , blackmailing and terrorizing the gov't and, even worse, the people. And the rest of the world, but "hey, who cares, we hate this BLACK man in the WHITE House. We'll do anything, even get our country to default if it spites him".
ObamaCare was not passed in violation of the letter of our Constitution did did violate the Sprit of the Constitution. They took an existing bill that had already passed the House that had nothing to do with Healthcare and totally rewrote the bill. In other words, DIRTY POLITICS! But then again, the Democarts are the Dirty Party.

Senate
The Senate began work on its own proposals while the House was still working on the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Instead, the Senate took up H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members.[88] As the United States Constitution requires all revenue-related bills to originate in the House,[89] the Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protecti...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175835 Oct 20, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Actually the natural born language in the Naturalization Act of the First Congress was erroneously included. The language was removed in 1795. In fact from 1802 to about 1855 children born outside of the US were aliens that had to be naturalized when brought to the US by their parents.
That's funny as my younger sister was born in a U.S. Army hospital, in Munich Germany and was issued a DS-1350 and was never naturalized!
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175836 Oct 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, now, how can you publish such garbage? Everyone, well, every creationist, believes the earth and human beings are 6,000 years old, 6,500 tops. And this is all calculated in, and this is new scientific term , "Birther Rogue years". Yup, dinosaurs roamed the plains alongside human beings. Scientists are wasting so much time trying to resolve their ultimate demise, when everyone, well, every creationist, knows Noah couldn't fit the huge creatures into the Ark,they just drowned.(told before, lest I be accused of Rogue-like senility).
Sorry, I have NEVER said that I believed that man walked on Earth at the same time dinosaurs did nor does the Bible (or Koran) say that.
I believe in divine design and that God directed evolution. I also believe that God did not get bored 6,500 years ago and create everything.
I believe that God was been inventing the Universe over and over again and that there have been many Earth-like planets and many had intelligent life that may or may not have looked like us but looked like Him the way He wanted to be seen..

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175837 Oct 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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There is no point. You've a childish mentality. Grow up.
Do comment on people based on their talent, behaviour, ethics, honesty, ability or not to do stuff. Not on big azz or big hips or presidential sex you know nothing about. Yes, grow up.
And how many times have you Libtards made childish remarks like "eye of Newt" Gingrich?!?

Since: May 10

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#175838 Oct 20, 2013
The Evil Eye of Newt Now, Newton Leroy Gingrich is Accusing Obama

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175839 Oct 20, 2013
Hey Jacqueau, you still have not explained how Sen. Cruz shut down the government by a 21 hour filibuster that ended at noon of Sep. 25 and the government did not shut down until Oct. 1? Come on now, admit you are afraid of Sen. Cruz. That is the only reason why you bring up his name! The ONLY reason!!!
Frank

Spokane, WA

#175840 Oct 20, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>what input, as I recall they refused to even come to the table
You only believe what Obama tells you. Obama and reid refused to accept any input from Republicans. The Republicans put up several plans, most of the Republican plans had Doctors help write them.
Learn to Read

Fairmount, IN

#175841 Oct 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>That's funny as my younger sister was born in a U.S. Army hospital, in Munich Germany and was issued a DS-1350 and was never naturalized!
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_...
Was your sister born between 1802 and 1855? No? So your story is irrelevant?- thanks for sharing
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175842 Oct 20, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
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Was your sister born between 1802 and 1855? No? So your story is irrelevant?- thanks for sharing
Fluffybritches, do you attend Azz U on a daily basis for refresher courses, or what?
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#175844 Oct 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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I've hung out with welfare recipients. One of them was a mother with two hydrocephalus boys that, outside of special adapted school, she had to care for constantly. They don't talk, walk, are incontinent and mentally challenged. The husband of course left after the 2nd one arrived.§he had no choice! No one would hire a person who could only work from 9 to 3PM, no weekends and no July-Aug when school is closed. I've known some bad welfare dudes, yes, but I've known as many who deserve compassion and respect. You put all welfare recipients and anti-war activists in the same bag, yet in the same breath, offer stuff , in one of your last posts, "our Saviour Jesus Christ". Well, Mr. Holier-than-thou, I wonder how your saviour feels about your very uncharitable and un-Christian sentiments towards people who are struggling.
Of course, anytime that I fail to place qualifiers on what I deem as societies obligations to the most unfortunate amongst us you would latch on to an example of someone that is worthy of charity and then accuse me of wanting to see them suffer. I would never put all in any bag Jacque, because my life experience has taught me that there are always exceptions. That is why I personally donate to charities that do good privately, like Easter Seals, the Red Cross, Toys for Tots and the Salvation Army, and do so on a regular basis. I'm trying very hard not to assume I know you or what motivates you Jacque, and I rarely express my faith openly like that, because my relationship with Christ is between me and him. How he feels about me is something I will find out when I stand in judgement, until then I just do the best I can in my flawed existence as a sinner. If you found that offensive I can't help you with that. Thats on you.
Obskeptic

Southfield, MI

#175845 Oct 20, 2013
Why is it that the democrats through the lawsuits brought by ACLU back under Reagan sued to have the mentally ill turned out on the streets rather then get the care and supervision that many of them need. Now we see some of them get their hands on guns and kill many innocent people, and the democrats reaction is not that of compassion and a desire to help the mentally ill, but to restrict or remove the constitutional rights of the law abiding citizen to own a weapon and defend themselves and their families from these troubled individuals. Why is that Jacque?

Since: May 10

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#175846 Oct 20, 2013
Please note that this is a Reuters piece and they lean .... LEFT!

Analysis: Despite budget win, Obama has weak hand with Congress
Reuters By Jeff Mason

WASHINGTON (Reuters)- Despite his win last week in a debt ceiling standoff with Republicans, President Barack Obama has limited ability to achieve his policy goals through legislation, which could result in increased use of executive powers, administration officials and Democratic strategists said.

The 16-day partial government shutdown highlighted Obama's challenges in basic governing. Although he refused to concede to Republicans in exchange for reopening the government and raising the U.S. borrowing limit, he could not block the emergence of what he called a "manufactured" crisis.

The president would now like to seize momentum to push forward three legislative priorities: the farm bill, immigration reform and a more lasting budget deal.

But his chances of progress on those issues, particularly immigration reform, depend on convincing embittered Republicans to work with a White House many of them detest. That leaves Obama more or less at the same strategic juncture he encountered before the shutdown began.

"His only play is to just keep being consistent about trying to find ways for bipartisan cooperation on the things that need congressional action and then try to continue what he's been doing for years now ... and that's looking for ways to move the ball through executive action," a senior White House official told Reuters.

"In that sense, nothing has changed in our approach except that we and the whole town had to burn however many weeks on this detour - which is a shame."
http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-despite-budget...

Since: May 10

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#175847 Oct 20, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>what input, as I recall they refused to even come to the table
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>You only believe what Obama tells you. Obama and reid refused to accept any input from Republicans. The Republicans put up several plans, most of the Republican plans had Doctors help write them.
I think it funny that Obama REFUSED to negotiate but she claims it was the Republicans who refused to come tho the table!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175848 Oct 20, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
Why is it that the democrats through the lawsuits brought by ACLU back under Reagan sued to have the mentally ill turned out on the streets rather then get the care and supervision that many of them need. Now we see some of them get their hands on guns and kill many innocent people, and the democrats reaction is not that of compassion and a desire to help the mentally ill, but to restrict or remove the constitutional rights of the law abiding citizen to own a weapon and defend themselves and their families from these troubled individuals. Why is that Jacque?
Actually that was done by LBJ and Jimmy Carter. All Reagan did was close EMPTY mental hospitals. But Libtards will never accept responsibility for anything that goes wrong. After all, intent is more important than results.
Joe OBiden

Jacksonville, FL

#175849 Oct 20, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I've hung out with welfare recipients. One of them was a mother with two hydrocephalus boys that, outside of special adapted school, she had to care for constantly. They don't talk, walk, are incontinent and mentally challenged. The husband of course left after the 2nd one arrived.§he had no choice! No one would hire a person who could only work from 9 to 3PM, no weekends and no July-Aug when school is closed. I've known some bad welfare dudes, yes, but I've known as many who deserve compassion and respect. You put all welfare recipients and anti-war activists in the same bag, yet in the same breath, offer stuff , in one of your last posts, "our Saviour Jesus Christ". Well, Mr. Holier-than-thou, I wonder how your saviour feels about your very uncharitable and un-Christian sentiments towards people who are struggling.
She should have aborted them.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#175850 Oct 20, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>That's funny as my younger sister was born in a U.S. Army hospital, in Munich Germany and was issued a DS-1350 and was never naturalized!
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_ ...
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Was your sister born between 1802 and 1855? No? So your story is irrelevant?- thanks for sharing
If you have a DS-1350 it does not matter if you were born on Mars as you are recognized as a NBC. What if Ted Cruz has one?

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