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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#175298 Oct 15, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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I disagree on that one. Corporations employ people, many people, and pay social security and medicare matches in the withholdings that come from the payrolls. They also buy things in conducting business and pay sales taxes on most all of those purchases unless given exemptions from the government by doing business with the government. I think we call that special interests. They also own property, and in most states, pay a much higher rate on it then residential property. Some businesses also require special licenses and permits which also functions as a tax. So they do pay taxes that benefit the communities and states they live in in a substantial way, all for the purpose of funding government, which does not produce wealth, but only consumes it.
All good points.

However, so do smaller companies. But they have to pay.

Save size... what is the difference?

Why doesn't Airwalk enjoy the same benefits as DuPont?
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175299 Oct 15, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Too much info. Did I ask if you got enough or not enough sex? I just quoted someone, but if the shoe fits...so be it. Quit it with your 27 years, not impressed. Judging from your posts, the woman is a saint and should be canonized while she's still alive.
You did imply that gays snorted more coke than other people, based on what said people told you. Gullible? Also, that pole thing turned you off as did male couples kissing. Well, news for you, turns me off too, but I guess I'm more tolerant than you are. I do my best to look away and I don't judge, it's them, and I'm me. I've seen pole dancing by women, and I'm sure they do just as much as the men you saw doing the pole.
There is no goading on my part and no need for me to return the compliment, namely the ad hominem no-reply idiot game, which, contained in your last sentence, reveals your true self.
You said I was condescending. I am not, normally. But with you, it just happens, you bring it out. Sorry.
Same old song and dance. Almost word for word. Pathetic. babybutthole
Dale

United States

#175300 Oct 15, 2013
Barack Obama and the Democratic Socialists of America

"Obama can be linked to Democratic Socialists of America"

Writing in the radical (and Democratic Socialists of America connected) Chicago magazine In These Times, in March 2008, Joel Bleifuss asserted;
In particular, Obama can be linked to the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), the Democratic Party-oriented organization that is a member of the Socialist International
Democratic Socialists of America

Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the US. It is one of two official U.S. affiliates of the Socialist International. It was formed in 1982 from a merger of the Michael Harrington led Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee and the smaller New American Movement.

DSA works inside the Democratic Party and has cross membership with the Communist Party USA, Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, Socialist Party USA and the Green Party USA.

DSA has close ties to the radical Institute for Policy Studies, ACORN, Jobs with Justice, Congressional Progressive Caucus and publications including Dissent, The Nation and The American Prospect.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#175301 Oct 15, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Fool. They're f**king with the American people and the rest of the world. 40 insane tea partyers and the republican brass are afraid of those creationist flat earthers. Incredible.
Umm, no. They're just f**king with Obobblehead. That's all.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175302 Oct 15, 2013
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You have to be talking about the democrats, after all they are molesters of citizens.
How can we tax people for not buying a product from a website that doesn't work?... to fine people for failing to buy health insurance on websites that don't work.... Boehner also slammed the Obama administration for giving companies a yearlong delay before they have to provide health insurance, while ...
Yes, a website that does not work because it's deluged, swarmed with applicants. When we instituted universal health care here in Canada in 1965 (I already told this story ), more than 65% of the population was against it. They had the wool pulled over their eyes by insurance companies and clinics. Take a poll today and see a 90% approval rating, in spite of the fact that it's far from perfect. But then, what is? Like I said, I'd rather wait 3 to 4 hours in the hospital ER to get my gums looked at by a competent physician, for free, than be instantly looked after and pay $3,500. for a punction and two Aleves.
Dale

United States

#175303 Oct 15, 2013
Marxism

While not overtly so, Democratic Socialists of America is essentially a Marxist organization.

In an article in DSA's Democratic Left, Spring 2007, DSA National political Committee member David Green of Detroit wrote in support of the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA)-or "card check".[1]
What distinguishes socialists from other progressives is the theory of surplus value. According to Marx, the secret of surplus value is that workers are a source of more value than they receive in wages. The capitalist is able to capture surplus value through his ownership of the means of production, his right to purchase labor as a commodity, his control over the production process, and his ownership of the final product. Surplus value is the measure of capital’s exploitation of labor
Green went on to write;
Our goal as socialists is to abolish private ownership of the means of production. Our immediate task is to limit the capitalist class’s prerogatives in the workplace...
Socialist Scholars Conferences

Bogdan Denitch
Barack Obama makes an apparent reference to the Socialist Scholars Conference in his 1995 autobiography "Dreams From My Father"[2].

Discussing his time studying political science at New York's Columbia University, in the early 80s, Obama reveals that he "went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn.”

"Cooper Union" is the Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art, a privately funded college in Downtown Manhattan.

For many years, from the early 1980s until 2004, Cooper Union was the usual venue of the annual Socialist Scholars Conference-almost certainly what Obama was referring to.

Socialist Scholars Conference-now known as Left Forum was for many years the largest socialist gathering in the USA, attracting up to 2,000 participants.

Socialist Scholars Conference was founded by a group of radicals from City University of New York led by sociology professor Bogdan Denitch, as well as chairing the Socialist Scholars Conferences since 1980, Denitch is an Honorary Chair of the Democratic Socialists of America and has served as DSA's representative to the Socialist International.

Since DSA's formation in 1982 its City University branch has sponsored and organised the Socialist Scholars Conference.

The bulk of SSC's organising committees were have been DSA members, as were many conference speakers.

Other speakers came from the Communist Party USA and its offshoot, the Committees of Correspondence, the International Socialists and Freedom Road Socialist Organization as well as independent Marxists, Maoists, Trotskyites, black radicals, gay activists and radical feminists.

Barack Obama wrote of "conferences" plural, indicating his attendance was not the result of accident or youthful curiosity.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175304 Oct 15, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
I interjected on the gay thing due to the innuendo being thrown back and forth on this thread. So all your superiority in your posting tone should not be interpreted as insults? I can't recall a single respectful exchange coming from you with anyone you disagree with, and you are certainly not one to ever take the high road and try to be civil. At least not that I have read. I could be wrong, but your pattern is well established. I admit I fail at times to be civil as well, but mostly in response to intellectual weaklings. When treated respectfully, I am respectful back. I also am guilty of jumping in to others fray, something I have done since a kid, because I don't like bully's. I'm actually very easy to get along with, and prefer engaging those I have differences in opinion. Its hard to learn new things when you only engage those who think just like you. Let me know if you want to give it a try, and I will join in a truce. If not, Ill just poke back when poked. The anonymity makes us all so brave, doesn't it?
Let us be civil. Truce? Shake on it, friend, nothing I'd like better.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175305 Oct 15, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
Both sides can be so uncivil, including me at times. Since our government is nothing more then a reflection of "we the people", it should be no surprise how dysfunctional Washington is today. But then again, it has been dysfunctional many times throughout our history.
I agree and disagree with you. Many reasons for that. But your opinion's as good as anyone's.
Dale

United States

#175306 Oct 15, 2013
First known link to Chicago DSA


Lou Pardo

Barack Obama's first known contact with Chicago Democratic Socialists of America occurred in 1992, shortly after he returned to Chicago, from his studies at Harvard.

Chicago City Clerk Miguel Del Valle, a long time DSA associate, told the 2008 Democratic Party convention of his first meeting with Barack Obama;
I first heard of Barack back in 1992. The year 1992 was a little like 2008. Then, as now, we needed to save the country from the misguided policies of a president named Bush. I was working with my old friend, Lou Pardo, a retired machinist, on an effort to register Latino voters in Chicago. One day, we were talking about how we could reach more voters and cover more ground, but we needed more resources. Lou told me we should go see Barack Obama, who was directing a voter-registration drive called Project Vote. So Lou met with Barack and, without missing a beat, Barack Obama helped us out. Barack Obama made sure that the thousands of Latinos in Chicago were registered to vote. He helped empower the Latino community and ensure that we were full participants in our democracy.
Lou Pardo was a confirmed member of Democratic Socialists of America

An article in Chicago DSA's New Ground November 1994 says[3];
Lou Pardo, a volunteer with Senator del Valle, DSA member and activist with the Midwest-Northeast Voter Registration Education Project, emphasized how important it was to support independent progressive democrats.
DSA forum

Hyde Park Herald, February 1996

Hyde Park Herald, February 1996
Barack Obama spoke at a Democratic Socialists of America organized forum at the University of Chicago in early 1996.[4]
Over three hundred people attended the first of two Town Meetings on Economic Insecurity on February 25 in Ida Noyes Hall at the University of Chicago. Entitled "Employment and Survival in Urban America", the meeting was sponsored by the UofC DSA Youth Section, Chicago DSA and University Democrats.
The panelists were Toni Preckwinkle, Alderman of Chicago's 4th Ward, Barack Obama, candidate for the 13th Illinois Senate District, Professor William Julius Wilson, Center for the Study of Urban Inequality at the University of Chicago, Professor Michael Dawson, University of Chicago and Professor Joseph Schwartz, Temple University and a member of DSA's National Political Committee[5].
Barack Obama observed that Martin Luther King's March on Washington in the 1960s wasn't simply about civil rights but "demanded jobs as well". One of the themes that has emerged in Barack Obama's campaign is "what does it take to create productive communities", not just consumptive communities. It is an issue that joins some of the best instincts of the conservatives with the better instincts of the left." Obama felt the state government has three constructive roles to play. The first is "human capital development". By this he meant public education, welfare reform, and a "workforce preparation strategy". Public education requires equality in funding. It's not that "money is the only solution to public education's problems but it's a start toward a solution... A true welfare system would provide for medical care, child care and job training. While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the "social wage" approach used by many social democratic labor parties." The state government "can also play a role in redistribution, the allocation of wages and jobs. As Barack Obama noted, when someone gets paid $10 million to eliminate 4,000 jobs, the voters in his district know this is an issue of power not economics. The government can use as tools labor law reform, public works and contracts." Finally, Illinois "needs an industrial strategy. How do we create more jobs for everyone? Illinois has no strategy for encouraging high wage, high productivity jobs".
Dale

United States

#175307 Oct 15, 2013
Quentin Young
Quentin Young is a long time member of Chicago Democratic Socialists of America.
In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, at a gathering in the Hyde Park home of former Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn.“[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.” Barack Obama and Alice Palmer “were both there,” he said.
Quentin Young described Obama and Ayers as “friends[9].”
Healthcare influence
Quentin Young is a long time friend and supporter of Barack Obama[10]. He was Obama's personal physician for more than 20 years[11].
Quentin Young, perhaps the most well-known single-payer advocate in America. He was the Rev. Martin Luther King’s doctor when he lived in Chicago and a longtime friend and ally of Barack Obama.
Quentin Young's 80th birthday, 2003
Quentin Young's 80th birthday, 2003
In the 1990s Barack Obama and Quentin Young were both supporters of "single payer" health care..
As a state Senator, Obama and another leftist colleague and state representative Willie Delgado presented the The Health Care Justice Act to the Illinois House and Senate.
According to blog Thomas Paine's Corner[12];
Barack Obama is quite familiar with the concepts and the specific merits of single payer. Back in the late 1990s, when he was an Illinois State Senator representing a mostly black district on the south side of Chicago, he took pains to consistently identify himself publicly with his neighbor Dr. Quentin Young. He signed on as co-sponsor of the Bernardin Amendment, named after Chicago's late Catholic Archbishop, who championed the public policy idea that medical care was a human right, not a commodity. At that time, when it was to his political advantage, Obama didn't mind at all being perceived as an advocate of single payer.
Quentin Young has suported Obama politically for since at least 1995[13].
"I knew him before he was political, I supported him when he ran for state Senate. When he was a state Senator he did say that he supported single payer. Now, he hedges. Now he says, if we were starting from scratch, he would support single payer.”“Barack’s a smart man, He probably calculated the political cost for being for single payer – the shower of opposition from the big boys – the drug companies and the health insurance companies. And so, like the rest of them, he fashioned a hodge podge of a health insurance plan.”
From a March 2009 Democracy Now! interview with Amy Goodman[14];
AMY GOODMAN: You’ve been a longtime friend of Barack Obama.
DR. QUENTIN YOUNG: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: How has he changed over the years?
DR. QUENTIN YOUNG: Well, Barack Obama, as we know, was a community organizer, a very lofty calling, in my book, and he made the decision, when the opportunity came, that he could get more done politically, and he accepted the nomination for the seat in the State Senate. It’s not that long ago, really. It’s about a six, eight years ago.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#175308 Oct 15, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Scrutiny was sincere. And I think, no, I know, that you are BSing as usual. No red Herring, you meant every word of rich Greeks leaving with their Euros. And why not? Done in every First world country daily.
I was attempting to be sincere.

Guess I learned my lesson.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175309 Oct 15, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree on that one. Corporations employ people, many people, and pay social security and medicare matches in the withholdings that come from the payrolls. They also buy things in conducting business and pay sales taxes on most all of those purchases unless given exemptions from the government by doing business with the government. I think we call that special interests. They also own property, and in most states, pay a much higher rate on it then residential property. Some businesses also require special licenses and permits which also functions as a tax. So they do pay taxes that benefit the communities and states they live in in a substantial way, all for the purpose of funding government, which does not produce wealth, but only consumes it.
Verizon paid the incredible amount of $24 billion to buy out its 40% shareholding partner, Vodafone of England. 24 BILLION SMACKEROOS ! 80% of the world's countries don't have a budget that big. Their profits are insane. Directors' bonuses even more insane. Employee profit-sharing? Hmm, NOT. And yet, last year, they cut off, cancelled, their retirees' health care insurance. Just like that. Yes, Verizon is people too.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175310 Oct 15, 2013
Disregard most of the above post, please, as I love to exchange, whether we agree or not.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#175311 Oct 15, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Let us be civil. Truce? Shake on it, friend, nothing I'd like better.
I completely missed what got you two arguing in the first place.

None of it has made any sense to me at all.
Dale

United States

#175312 Oct 15, 2013
Barack Obama, in those early days—influenced, I hope, by me and others—categorically said single payer was the best way, and he would inaugurate it if he could get the support, meaning majorities in both houses, which he’s got, and the presidency, which he’s got. And he said that on more than one occasion, and it represented the very high-grade intelligence we all know Barack has....

AMY GOODMAN: This brouhaha over the last week with the White House healthcare summit, 120 people, there were going to be no single-payer advocates. Congressman Conyers asked to go. At first, he was told no. He directly asked President Obama at a Congressional Black Caucus hearing. He asked to bring you and Marcia Angell—

DR. QUENTIN YOUNG: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN:—former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine. You weren’t allowed to go. Do you have President Obama’s ear anymore? You have been an ally of his for years, for decades.

DR. QUENTIN YOUNG: Well, it’s mixed. I think we’re friends, certainly. At this gala that you mentioned, which was embarrassing, he did send a very complimentary letter. And I appreciate that, but I’d much rather have him enact single payer, to tell the truth. And we did—it’s fair to say, after a good deal of protest, I think we were told there was a—phones rang off the hook. They did allow our national president, Dr. Oliver Fein, to attend with Dr. Conyers—Congressman Conyers. That’s fine, but we need many more people representative of the American people at large to get this thing through the Congress, and Baucus, notwithstanding, be overruled.
Froggy

Melbourne, Australia

#175313 Oct 15, 2013
What a waste of time. Obama's Birth Certificate is neither here nor there now. If he wanted to create one, the grey men or Spooks could create one. Should have been done when he wasn't President. BTW to get a Passport he would have had to present a Birth Certificate to obtain one. That would have been done as a child, given he left America to live in Indonesia with his mother, then returned to America at a later date to live with his Grandmother. Move on.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175314 Oct 15, 2013
Darn, people type fast. I meant for you to disregard my post 175294,pevious page. Sorry.
Dale

United States

#175315 Oct 15, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, a website that does not work because it's deluged, swarmed with applicants. When we instituted universal health care here in Canada in 1965 (I already told this story ), more than 65% of the population was against it. They had the wool pulled over their eyes by insurance companies and clinics. Take a poll today and see a 90% approval rating, in spite of the fact that it's far from perfect. But then, what is? Like I said, I'd rather wait 3 to 4 hours in the hospital ER to get my gums looked at by a competent physician, for free, than be instantly looked after and pay $3,500. for a punction and two Aleves.
LMAO!!! Who really cares what you did in Canada.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#175316 Oct 15, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, a website that does not work because it's deluged, swarmed with applicants. When we instituted universal health care here in Canada in 1965 (I already told this story ), more than 65% of the population was against it. They had the wool pulled over their eyes by insurance companies and clinics. Take a poll today and see a 90% approval rating, in spite of the fact that it's far from perfect. But then, what is? Like I said, I'd rather wait 3 to 4 hours in the hospital ER to get my gums looked at by a competent physician, for free, than be instantly looked after and pay $3,500. for a punction and two Aleves.
Yeah... the website not being able to handle all the people signing up. A sure sign no one is interested.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#175317 Oct 15, 2013
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
I completely missed what got you two arguing in the first place.
None of it has made any sense to me at all.
Nor to me, but I'll gladly take the blame, as I am not always easy to fathom.

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