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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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<quoted text>lHey right back at ya'. Per Vattel's treatise "The Law ofNations" of 1758AD, which was repeatedly referred to by our Founding Fathers when drafting our Constitution, a 'natural-born citizen' is "born in the country of parents who are citizens of that country".
The problem with Vattelites in their argument that the term Natural Born Citizen is founded on Roman or Civil Law instead of English Common Law is that their argument demonstrates their disregard that the Constitution provisions are framed in the language of the English Common Law and their argument ignores the historical development of Anglo-American jurisprudence that is rooted in the English Common Law.

Courts have recognized that the drafters of the constitution of whom most were lawyers were influenced by the principles and history of the common law that we inherited from the English.“The principles and history of the common law were well known to the framers of the Constitution and the members of the First Congress; it was from that system that their terminology was derived; and the provisions of the Constitution and contemporaneous legislation must be interpreted accordingly.” Southern Pacific Co. v. Jensen, 244 US 205, 230 (1917)

Moreover, Chief Justice Taft stated in Ex Parte Grossman, 267 U.S. 76, 108-09 (1925):“The language of the Constitution cannot be interpreted safely except by reference to the common law and British institutions as they were when the instrument was framed and adopted.”

Since the drafters of the Constitution wrote it in the language of the English common law then according to statutory construction that unless otherwise defined in the Constitution, words are to be taken at their ordinary and contemporary meaning.“ A fundamental canon of statutory construction is that, unless otherwise defined, words will be interpreted as taking their ordinary, contemporary, common meaning.” Perrin v. United States, 444 US 37,42 (1979).

Moreover, if the use of words in the Constitution had a common law meaning then the courts must infer the incorporation of this common law meaning unless the language of the Constitution compels a different meaning. "[G]uided by the principle that where words are employed in a statute which had at the time a well-known meaning at common law or in the law of this country they are presumed to have been used in that sense unless the context compels to the contrary.” Standard Oil Co. of NJ v. United Sates, 221 US 1, 59 (1911)

Furthermore, if words were created not by positive law but rather by judicially created concept then any interpretation of those words other than their common law meaning must be specific and clear. "The normal rule of statutory construction is that if Congress intends for legislation to change the interpretation of a judicially created concept, it makes that intent specific." Stillians v. Iowa, 843 F.2d 276, 280 (8th Cir.1988)(internel citations omitted)

In other words, If drafters of the Constitution used words in the Constitution that have a common law meaning then it is PRESUMED that drafters intended common law application of the words UNLESS there is language in the Constitution that intended a contrary interpretation of the words.

As such, the term natural born citizen is a derivation of the term natural born subject that was a judicially created concept as articulated by Blackstone in his Commentaries of the Laws of England (1765) then UNLESS the founding fathers intended a different meaning other than the common law rule meaning of natural born citizen it was the responsibility of drafters to incorporate this different meaning.

The failure of the drafters to indicate a different meaning other than the common law meaning of natural born citizen in the Constitution demonstrated that the drafters intended to incorporate the established common law meaning of natural born citizen.
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You obviously have a problem with reading comprehension.
The shutdown isn't about golf.
If the GOP wants "leadership and responsibility" they can field a candidate that will provide it.
Not that it matters. They have taken out their political frustrations on vets, women and children now. Those vets aren't going to just forget about this.
Prepare for Queen Clinton.
We deserve it.
Nah, America has had its fill of the Clintons. "What difference does it make"! Oh, about four American lives. You did hear a couple of TV stations have dropped their plans to air the special about Killary, right? Obobblehead is responsible for the shutdown, no one else. As far as vets, women and children go, I suggest you study Obobblehead's "make-it-hurt" plan. You do know he hates whites, don't you?
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The Canadian/Cuban and wannabe American Cruz and his ridiculous and treacherous Tea Party vagabonds have denied death benefits to deceased military next-of-kin, with assistance from their speaker. Not Obama.
LMAO! The wannabe calling someone else a wannabe! Instant classic! LMAO! Your comment is almost as funny as the above. Someone had to say, "no", do not pay those death benefits. Who was it? It most certainly wasn't the Tea Party! LMAO! I bet the order came from Obobblehead himself! Who has been held accountable for ANY of the scandals? No one. Admit it already, Obobblehead is a liar.
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The problem with Vattelites in their argument that the term Natural Born Citizen is founded on Roman or Civil Law instead of English Common Law is that their argument demonstrates their disregard that the Constitution provisions are framed in the language of the English Common Law and their argument ignores the historical development of Anglo-American jurisprudence that is rooted in the English Common Law.
Courts have recognized that the drafters of the constitution of whom most were lawyers were influenced by the principles and history of the common law that we inherited from the English.“The principles and history of the common law were well known to the framers of the Constitution and the members of the First Congress; it was from that system that their terminology was derived; and the provisions of the Constitution and contemporaneous legislation must be interpreted accordingly.” Southern Pacific Co. v. Jensen, 244 US 205, 230 (1917)
Moreover, Chief Justice Taft stated in Ex Parte Grossman, 267 U.S. 76, 108-09 (1925):“The language of the Constitution cannot be interpreted safely except by reference to the common law and British institutions as they were when the instrument was framed and adopted.”
Since the drafters of the Constitution wrote it in the language of the English common law then according to statutory construction that unless otherwise defined in the Constitution, words are to be taken at their ordinary and contemporary meaning.“ A fundamental canon of statutory construction is that, unless otherwise defined, words will be interpreted as taking their ordinary, contemporary, common meaning.” Perrin v. United States, 444 US 37,42 (1979).
Moreover, if the use of words in the Constitution had a common law meaning then the courts must infer the incorporation of this common law meaning unless the language of the Constitution compels a different meaning. "[G]uided by the principle that where words are employed in a statute which had at the time a well-known meaning at common law or in the law of this country they are presumed to have been used in that sense unless the context compels to the contrary.” Standard Oil Co. of NJ v. United Sates, 221 US 1, 59 (1911)
Furthermore, if words were created not by positive law but rather by judicially created concept then any interpretation of those words other than their common law meaning must be specific and clear. "The normal rule of statutory construction is that if Congress intends for legislation to change the interpretation of a judicially created concept, it makes that intent specific." Stillians v. Iowa, 843 F.2d 276, 280 (8th Cir.1988)(internel citations omitted)
In other words, If drafters of the Constitution used words in the Constitution that have a common law meaning then it is PRESUMED that drafters intended common law application of the words UNLESS there is language in the Constitution that intended a contrary interpretation of the words.
As such, the term natural born citizen is a derivation of the term natural born subject that was a judicially created concept as articulated by Blackstone in his Commentaries of the Laws of England (1765) then UNLESS the founding fathers intended a different meaning other than the common law rule meaning of natural born citizen it was the responsibility of drafters to incorporate this different meaning.
The failure of the drafters to indicate a different meaning other than the common law meaning of natural born citizen in the Constitution demonstrated that the drafters intended to incorporate the established common law meaning of natural born citizen.
Pure BS!

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Hey Scruff, why don't you quit spreading lies?
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Ahh yes. Mario. He's been proven wrong almost as often as Orly.
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Ahh yes. Mario. He's been proven wrong almost as often as Orly.
You mean the truth doesn't fit into your BS folder? LMAO!
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If this president is so transparent, why the secrecy surrounding all his school records? None of you seem to care or be able to answer that. One that that can't be disputed, Barack is a natural born follower. His "lead from behind" strategy has not served the country well at all.
Answer: He isn't transparent. That was a promise that he did not keep. Too bad, boo hoo. However, even the promise was NOT to be transparent about his personal life. It was a promise of transparency in government.

And as for not showing his school and college record, big deal McCain and Romney did not show their school or college records either. Neither did George Bush (his transcript was leaked by Yale, but Bush did not show it). Nor did Clinton or Bush 41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford. No president has shown his school or college transcripts. So why should Obama?

HOWEVER, Harvard Law School did say that Obama graduated from Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude. I suppose that you do not believe Harvard Law School. I wonder why not? I wonder????
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Answer: He isn't transparent. That was a promise that he did not keep. Too bad, boo hoo. However, even the promise was NOT to be transparent about his personal life. It was a promise of transparency in government.
And as for not showing his school and college record, big deal McCain and Romney did not show their school or college records either. Neither did George Bush (his transcript was leaked by Yale, but Bush did not show it). Nor did Clinton or Bush 41 or Reagan or Carter or Ford. No president has shown his school or college transcripts. So why should Obama?
HOWEVER, Harvard Law School did say that Obama graduated from Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude. I suppose that you do not believe Harvard Law School. I wonder why not? I wonder????
Good to see you accepting the fact Obobblehead is a liar. Progress!
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<quoted text>lHey right back at ya'. Per Vattel's treatise "The Law ofNations" of 1758AD, which was repeatedly referred to by our Founding Fathers when drafting our Constitution, a 'natural-born citizen' is "born in the country of parents who are citizens of that country". Also see definition cited by Supreme Court Justice Peter V. Daniel in the Dred Scot case which is verbatim the exact same definition. Kenyan-born Obama IS the Antichrist. So get saved now while there is still time!
Re Vattel. It is true, they did read Vattel. HOWEVER, they read a lot of other books too. Vattel was an expert on International Law, elections and the eligibility of candidates are DOMESTIC Law. Vattel recommended several things that we did not follow, such as every country having its own state religion and forcing people to join it or force them to leave the country. So, duh, just the fact that they READ Vattel does not mean that they used Vattel in the definition of Natural Born Citizen.

IF the writers of the Constitution had used Vattel, they would have SAID that they used Vattel, but they never did---not one of them. And, in fact, Vattel is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers, while the common law is mentioned about twenty times. John Jay, who first mentioned Natural Born Citizen in his letter to George Washington, was a specialist in THE COMMON LAW. So, duh, he also would have said that he was using Vattel, IF he had used Vattel. And, finally, we have the quotations from the AMERICAN legal scholars of the time that the Constitution was written, and they used the term Natural Born Citizen just the way that Natural Born Subject was used in the common law.

"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)

(As you can see, that refers ONLY to the place of birth, not to the parents.)

"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)

(As you can see, Rawle, who was friends with both Washington and Franklin and knew many of the writers of the US Constitution, says that EVERY child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen. That is exactly what the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case ruled, six to two [one justice did not vote].)

Re "born in Kenya."

That is a totally loony myth. Did you know that only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and that all but one of them came by SHIP (and the one that came by air was not a US citizen). And did you know that there were no regular ships from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961?

The “born in Kenya” story is the height of the loony side of the birther movement. It is based on forgeries like that of Lucas D. Smith, and falsifications–such as the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya—when she actually said right on the same tape that he was born IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.
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Good to see you accepting the fact Obobblehead is a liar. Progress!
That is not what I said. Not being transparent means not releasing information. It does not mean lying. People might give some small amount of respect to birthers if the birthers would at least quote people accurately.

And, since you have brought up the subject of lying. Birthers have done a great deal of it, an enormous amount of lying.

For example, birther sites did not tell their readers that there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---a lie by omission. They did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that there is no evidence that Obama was born there---another lie by omission.

They did not tell their readers that millions of people have errors in their SS numbers, another lie by omission since they hope that their readers will assume that Obama's CT SS number was caused by fraud and not a mistake. And, obviously, the motive of birther sites in hoping that their readers do not know that millions of people have errors in their SS numbers is exactly the same as their motive for LYING about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said (she NEVER said that he was born in Kenya, birther sites simply said that she had said it), and their motive for repeatedly LYING in their claim that Obama’s BC is forged, and the motive for the Cold Case Posse LYING about the meaning of the penciled numeral “9,” and the motive for birther sites lying when they said that the current governor of Hawaii said that he could not find the BC in the files (he never said any such thing), and their motive for lying when they said that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that Obama’s BC was forged (she never said any such thing), and the motive for claiming that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia, and the motive for Tim Adams LYING when he said that officials had told him that Obama’s BC was not in the files, and the motive for the three forged “Kenyan birth certificates,” and the motive for the forged videos that claim that Obama said “I was born in Kenya.”

Talk about LIARS.
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That is not what I said. Not being transparent means not releasing information. It does not mean lying. People might give some small amount of respect to birthers if the birthers would at least quote people accurately.
And, since you have brought up the subject of lying. Birthers have done a great deal of it, an enormous amount of lying.
For example, birther sites did not tell their readers that there isn't even evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961---a lie by omission. They did not tell their readers that the Kenyan government said that there is no evidence that Obama was born there---another lie by omission.
They did not tell their readers that millions of people have errors in their SS numbers, another lie by omission since they hope that their readers will assume that Obama's CT SS number was caused by fraud and not a mistake. And, obviously, the motive of birther sites in hoping that their readers do not know that millions of people have errors in their SS numbers is exactly the same as their motive for LYING about what Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said (she NEVER said that he was born in Kenya, birther sites simply said that she had said it), and their motive for repeatedly LYING in their claim that Obama’s BC is forged, and the motive for the Cold Case Posse LYING about the meaning of the penciled numeral “9,” and the motive for birther sites lying when they said that the current governor of Hawaii said that he could not find the BC in the files (he never said any such thing), and their motive for lying when they said that Obama’s lawyer “admitted” that Obama’s BC was forged (she never said any such thing), and the motive for claiming that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia, and the motive for Tim Adams LYING when he said that officials had told him that Obama’s BC was not in the files, and the motive for the three forged “Kenyan birth certificates,” and the motive for the forged videos that claim that Obama said “I was born in Kenya.”
Talk about LIARS.
Give it up, dodo bird! He is a fraud and liar. Get used to it because he isn't going to change. You know, after hearing excuse after excuse, one reaches a point and is able to say BS! Guess you haven't made it there yet. It's commonly know as, COMMON SENSE! sock

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Re Vattel. It is true, they did read Vattel. HOWEVER, they read a lot of other books too. Vattel was an expert on International Law, elections and the eligibility of candidates are DOMESTIC Law. Vattel recommended several things that we did not follow, such as every country having its own state religion and forcing people to join it or force them to leave the country. So, duh, just the fact that they READ Vattel does not mean that they used Vattel in the definition of Natural Born Citizen.
I agree.

Of course the founding fathers were familiar with Vattel who was a scholar on INTERNATIONAL LAW; however as to MUNICIPAL LAW or DOMESTIC LAW he was not the source of our statutes regarding citizenship which is in the providence of a nation's municipal law.“Citizenship depends, however, entirely on municipal law and is not regulated by international law.“ Tomasicchio v. Acheson, 98 F. Supp. 166, 169 (DC 1951).

Moreover, the United States Supreme Court has held that our citizenship laws were inherited from English common law. "Our concept of citizenship was inherited from England and, accordingly, was based on the principle that rights conferred by naturalization were subject to the conditions reserved in the grant. See Calvin's Case, 7 Co. Rep. 1 a, 77 Eng. Rep. 377 (1608). Schneider v. Rusk, 377 US 163, 170 (1964).

“We thus have an acknowledgment that our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Rogers v. Bellei, 401 US 815,828(1971)

Nowhere in over 200 years of court opinions have had any court suggested that our citizenship law was based on Vattel's concept of citizenship. In fact, there are many court cases that held that children born in the United States to parents other than citizen parents are natural born citizens. "Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States. Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F. 3d 1017, 1019 (6th Cir. 1999).

As for the drafting of the Constitution, Blackstone's influence is noted throughout the document, such as, Law of Nations clause in which it was noted: ""In the fourth volume of his Commentaries, Blackstone has a chapter on “Offences against the Law of Nations.” Guided by Blackstone, the Founding Generation viewed the law of nations as a system of rules deducible by natural reason, and established by universal consent among the civilized inhabitants of the world. Justice Story would later put it,“every doctrine that may be fairly deduced by correct reasoning from the rights and duties of nations, and the nature of moral obligation, may be said to exist in the law of nations.” 3 Dartmouth C. Undergraduate J.L. 51 (2005)

Another example of Blackstone' influence "The universal maxim of the common law of England, as Sir William Blackstone expresses it,`that no man is to be brought into jeopardy of his life more than once for the same offence,' is embraced in article V of amendments to the Constitution of the United States, and in the constitutions of several States, in the following language:`Nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;' and in many other States the same principle is incorporated in the organic law, Kepner v. United States, 195 US 100, 132 (1904)

As for Vattel's contribution to the Constitution, there has not been one decision in which a court has cited Vattel's influence on drafting of the CONSTITUTION. This is not to say that courts have not cited Vattel on the INTERNATIONAL LAW in which his book "Law of Nations" have been cited by the courts but as to the CONSTITUTION AND MUNICIPAL LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, Vattel's influence was nonexistent.

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Re Vattel. It is true, they did read Vattel. HOWEVER, they read a lot of other books too. Vattel was an expert on International Law, elections and the eligibility of candidates are DOMESTIC Law. Vattel recommended several things that we did not follow, such as every country having its own state religion and forcing people to join it or force them to leave the country. So, duh, just the fact that they READ Vattel does not mean that they used Vattel in the definition of Natural Born Citizen.
I agree.
Of course the founding fathers were familiar with Vattel who was a scholar on INTERNATIONAL LAW; however as to MUNICIPAL LAW or DOMESTIC LAW he was not the source of our statutes regarding citizenship which is in the providence of a nation's municipal law.“Citizenship depends, however, entirely on municipal law and is not regulated by international law.“ Tomasicchio v. Acheson, 98 F. Supp. 166, 169 (DC 1951).

Moreover, the United States Supreme Court has held that our citizenship laws were inherited from English common law. "Our concept of citizenship was inherited from England and, accordingly, was based on the principle that rights conferred by naturalization were subject to the conditions reserved in the grant. See Calvin's Case, 7 Co. Rep. 1 a, 77 Eng. Rep. 377 (1608). Schneider v. Rusk, 377 US 163, 170 (1964).

“We thus have an acknowledgment that our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Rogers v. Bellei, 401 US 815,828(1971)

Nowhere in over 200 years of court opinions have had any court suggested that our citizenship law was based on Vattel's concept of citizenship. In fact, there are many court cases that held that children born in the United States to parents other than citizen parents are natural born citizens. "Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States. Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F. 3d 1017, 1019 (6th Cir. 1999).

As for the drafting of the Constitution, Blackstone's influence is noted throughout the document, such as, Law of Nations clause in which it was noted: ""In the fourth volume of his Commentaries, Blackstone has a chapter on “Offences against the Law of Nations.” Guided by Blackstone, the Founding Generation viewed the law of nations as a system of rules deducible by natural reason, and established by universal consent among the civilized inhabitants of the world. Justice Story would later put it,“every doctrine that may be fairly deduced by correct reasoning from the rights and duties of nations, and the nature of moral obligation, may be said to exist in the law of nations.” 3 Dartmouth C. Undergraduate J.L. 51 (2005)

Another example of Blackstone' influence "The universal maxim of the common law of England, as Sir William Blackstone expresses it,`that no man is to be brought into jeopardy of his life more than once for the same offence,' is embraced in article V of amendments to the Constitution of the United States, and in the constitutions of several States, in the following language:`Nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;' and in many other States the same principle is incorporated in the organic law, Kepner v. United States, 195 US 100, 132 (1904)

As for Vattel's contribution to the Constitution, there has not been one decision in which a court has cited Vattel's influence on drafting of the CONSTITUTION. This is not to say that courts have not cited Vattel on the INTERNATIONAL LAW in which his book "Law of Nations" have been cited by the courts but as to the CONSTITUTION AND MUNICIPAL LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES, Vattel's influence was nonexistent
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<quoted text>I don't get what they don't comprehend about this.

Why in the hell would you look to entertain negotiations with people who broke their word with you over the same subject?

"Why won't he compromise?"

He did. In July.
These fools can't grasp "Born in Hawaii". Asking them to comprehend "yes that WAS the deal but then we decided to take a stand instead" is way beyond their capacity.
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<quoted text>You mean the truth doesn't fit into your BS folder? LMAO!
You mean Mario's fable doesn't fit into US law? That truth?

Poor Romper. You really new a new hero
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You mean Mario's fable doesn't fit into US law? That truth?
Poor Romper. You really new a new hero
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